On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:48:26 GMT, <e0Kea.639$D_7.667521047@no-spam>
kmcvay@no-spam (Ken McVay) wrote:
>In article <3e7b61ab.415266691@no-spam>,
>- <jazzerciser@no-spam> wrote:
>
>>kmcvay@no-spam (Ken McVay) wrote:
>>> See Zundel's housekeepers, including Marc Lemire, in their spiffy outfits:
>>> http://www.nizkor <smear link deleted>
:
>> Is this -relevant- to the case of Zundel? Guilt by association?
:
>I find it entertaining.
Smear is always funny to hypocrites like you.
>>> The Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) alleges while Mr.
>>> Zundel may not be violent, he provides support to dangerous hate
>>> groups and could incite his followers to commit serious violence in
>>> Canada or abroad.
The CSIS has also made similar claims about Anti Racist Action which your
funding arm B'nai Brith endorses and has aided financially! You even claim
concerning Zundel- "Mr. Zundel may not be violent, he provides support to
dangerous hate groups and could incite his followers to commit serious
violence..." which he has NOT done YET you even have stated (all on record
too):
"Anti-Racist-Action is a group that believes in using violence to
further their goals. They have been responsible for a lot of
unprovoked violence in Canada, and are certainly not worthy of
support. I consider the ARA a dangerous and violent group, and
don't recommend that anyone have any association with them whatsoever."
Subject: Re: The Internet Anti-Fascist: Fri, 15 November 2002 -- 6:69 (#716)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
From: kmcvay@no-spam (Ken McVay)
Message-ID: <XxUD9.237$FR2.69947486@no-spam>
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 23:53:27 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=XxUD9.237%24FR2.69947486%40news.nnrp.ca&output=gplain
(Archived locally as: Re The Internet Anti-Fascist Fri 15 Nov2002)
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/canadian/anti-racist-action/
Anti-Racist Action, Toronto
"Nizkor does not condone violence as a political action tool."
<<Why would you, Ken McVay, make that remark in relation to Anti Racist Action?
Why aren't you up in arms against ARA like you are against Zundel who has NOT
committed violence? HYPOCRISY is the word which comes to mind!>>
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/press/toronto-sun.html
Archived locally as: toronto-sun
"about 150 members of the Anti-Racist Action surrounded the restaurant and
pelted it with eggs..."
B'nai Brith has relations with ARA.
2 page article from the Ottawa Times, October 1997, titled "B'NAI BRITH
LINKED TO EXTREMISTS" This is the all most complete story of how the B'nai
Brith and ARA have worked together.
Page 1 - Ottawa Times
http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/bnai_brith/linked_to_extremists1.jpg
Brief excerpt from the above JPG image from the Ottawa Times:
"As reported by the Canadian Intelligence Service, the ARA has been linked
by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) with the 1995 arson attack
on Ernst Zundel's home as well as other violent acts in Toronto... B'nai Brith
appears to be the last notable supporter of ARA.."
IOW If Ernst Zundel, who has committed no violence, is such a threat then why
isn't ARA a threat which SHOULD get more attention? Also the CSIS has sated the
person you smear (Ernst Zundel) has been attacked by the people B'nai Brith
supports! THAT IS HYPOCRISY!!
Page 16 - Ottawa Times
http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/bnai_brith/linked_to_extremists2.jpg
Additional material tying B'nai Brith to ARA:
http://www.bnaibrith.ca/press4/pr-010220-08.htm
NATIONAL OFFICE - TORONTO - (416) 633-6224
Dr. Karen Mock, Nat'l Director, LHR, ext. 111 or cell: (416) 802-1105
<Karen Mock is national director of B'nai Brith's League of Human Rights YET in
this post I prove B'nai Brith supports communist front groups. As everyone
knows-- communists are the most severe violators of human rights.>
Picture of Karen Mock, National Director of B'nai Brith sitting in front of
Anti-Racist Action poster, when she spoke at an ARA conference in which illegal
actions were discussed, including how to make stencils for graffiti purposes.
Also interesting is that Mock is seen at the conference talking often to ARA
leader Ajith Aluthwatta who is linked to people in British Columbia who are
under investigation for firebombing B'nai Brith's political opponent Ernst
Zundel [See picture here, from ARA publication, On the Prowl, Fall '96]
http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/bnai_brith/mock_at_ara_conf.jpg
<END>
Also explore: http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/bnai_brith/index.html
From B'nai Brith's own web site:
http://www.bnaibrith.ca/publications/jclinks/links-02.html
Link archived locally as: links-02
Anti-Hate Groups
Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith
Anti-Racist Action
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<END>
The above link was straight from B'nai Brith-- they endorse ARA; a group Ken
McVay said this about: "Anti-Racist-Action is a group that believes in using
violence to further their goals. They have been responsible for a lot of
unprovoked violence in Canada, and are certainly not worthy of support. I
consider the ARA a dangerous and violent group, and don't recommend that anyone
have any association with them whatsoever."
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=hdpn7v445bkpebmovcd0aul56eeemv4e8a%404ax.com&rnum=1
Why Would Anyone Who Values Freedom Give Them Donations?
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>> "...could incite his followers..." Is that your evidentiary standard?
:
>Since CSIS has made the allegation, your question should be directed
>there.
Perhaps you should answer why Ernst Zundel is a threat when the ARA (which you
have stated is violent) is not viewed as a threat? Is it because the ARA doesn't
express views which the Canadian Jewish Power Brokers dislike as does Ernst
Zundel?
People see the double standards McVay and they are starting to see through you
too! You leftists/communists/socialists can't have it both ways!
Tavish
---
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b'nai brith is protected under the anti-hate laws so no matter what they do
legitamate or illegitamate cause they are jewish no one can sue them or
press charges against them cause they are jewish and any critisim even mine
can be constured as hate.
"Hans Gerhardt Tavische" <H_G_Tavische@no-spam> wrote in message
news:lshggvcv6ed5ktlfo9tqr3g02rmgc105vh@no-spam
> On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:48:26 GMT, <e0Kea.639$D_7.667521047@no-spam>
> kmcvay@no-spam (Ken McVay) wrote:
>
> >In article <3e7b61ab.415266691@no-spam>,
> >- <jazzerciser@no-spam> wrote:
> >
> >>kmcvay@no-spam (Ken McVay) wrote:
> >>> See Zundel's housekeepers, including Marc Lemire, in their spiffy
outfits:
> >>> http://www.nizkor <smear link deleted>
> :
> >> Is this -relevant- to the case of Zundel? Guilt by
association?
> :
> >I find it entertaining.
>
> Smear is always funny to hypocrites like you.
>
> >>> The Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) alleges while Mr.
> >>> Zundel may not be violent, he provides support to dangerous hate
> >>> groups and could incite his followers to commit serious violence in
> >>> Canada or abroad.
>
> The CSIS has also made similar claims about Anti Racist Action which your
> funding arm B'nai Brith endorses and has aided financially! You even claim
> concerning Zundel- "Mr. Zundel may not be violent, he provides support to
> dangerous hate groups and could incite his followers to commit serious
> violence..." which he has NOT done YET you even have stated (all on record
> too):
>
> "Anti-Racist-Action is a group that believes in using violence to
> further their goals. They have been responsible for a lot of
> unprovoked violence in Canada, and are certainly not worthy of
> support. I consider the ARA a dangerous and violent group, and
> don't recommend that anyone have any association with them whatsoever."
> Subject: Re: The Internet Anti-Fascist: Fri, 15 November 2002 -- 6:69
(#716)
> Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
> From: kmcvay@no-spam (Ken McVay)
> Message-ID: <XxUD9.237$FR2.69947486@no-spam>
> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 23:53:27 GMT
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=XxUD9.237%24FR2.69947486%40news.nnrp.ca
&output=gplain
> (Archived locally as: Re The Internet Anti-Fascist Fri 15 Nov2002)
>
> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/canadian/anti-racist-action/
> Anti-Racist Action, Toronto
> "Nizkor does not condone violence as a political action tool."
>
> <<Why would you, Ken McVay, make that remark in relation to Anti Racist
Action?
> Why aren't you up in arms against ARA like you are against Zundel who has
NOT
> committed violence? HYPOCRISY is the word which comes to mind!>>
>
> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/press/toronto-sun.html
> Archived locally as: toronto-sun
> "about 150 members of the Anti-Racist Action surrounded the restaurant and
> pelted it with eggs..."
>
> B'nai Brith has relations with ARA.
>
> 2 page article from the Ottawa Times, October 1997, titled "B'NAI BRITH
> LINKED TO EXTREMISTS" This is the all most complete story of how the B'nai
> Brith and ARA have worked together.
> Page 1 - Ottawa Times
> http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/bnai_brith/linked_to_extremists1.jpg
>
> Brief excerpt from the above JPG image from the Ottawa Times:
> "As reported by the Canadian Intelligence Service, the ARA has been linked
> by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) with the 1995 arson
attack
> on Ernst Zundel's home as well as other violent acts in Toronto... B'nai
Brith
> appears to be the last notable supporter of ARA.."
>
> IOW If Ernst Zundel, who has committed no violence, is such a threat then
why
> isn't ARA a threat which SHOULD get more attention? Also the CSIS has
sated the
> person you smear (Ernst Zundel) has been attacked by the people B'nai
Brith
> supports! THAT IS HYPOCRISY!!
>
> Page 16 - Ottawa Times
> http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/bnai_brith/linked_to_extremists2.jpg
>
> Additional material tying B'nai Brith to ARA:
>
> http://www.bnaibrith.ca/press4/pr-010220-08.htm
> NATIONAL OFFICE - TORONTO - (416) 633-6224
> Dr. Karen Mock, Nat'l Director, LHR, ext. 111 or cell: (416) 802-1105
>
> <Karen Mock is national director of B'nai Brith's League of Human Rights
YET in
> this post I prove B'nai Brith supports communist front groups. As everyone
> knows-- communists are the most severe violators of human rights.>
>
> Picture of Karen Mock, National Director of B'nai Brith sitting in front
of
> Anti-Racist Action poster, when she spoke at an ARA conference in which
illegal
> actions were discussed, including how to make stencils for graffiti
purposes.
> Also interesting is that Mock is seen at the conference talking often to
ARA
> leader Ajith Aluthwatta who is linked to people in British Columbia who
are
> under investigation for firebombing B'nai Brith's political opponent Ernst
> Zundel [See picture here, from ARA publication, On the Prowl, Fall '96]
> http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/bnai_brith/mock_at_ara_conf.jpg
>
> <END>
>
> Also explore: http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/bnai_brith/index.html
>
> From B'nai Brith's own web site:
>
> http://www.bnaibrith.ca/publications/jclinks/links-02.html
> Link archived locally as: links-02
>
> Anti-Hate Groups
> Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith
> Anti-Racist Action
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> <END>
>
> The above link was straight from B'nai Brith-- they endorse ARA; a group
Ken
> McVay said this about: "Anti-Racist-Action is a group that believes in
using
> violence to further their goals. They have been responsible for a lot of
> unprovoked violence in Canada, and are certainly not worthy of support. I
> consider the ARA a dangerous and violent group, and don't recommend that
anyone
> have any association with them whatsoever."
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=hdpn7v445bkpebmovcd0aul56eeemv4e8a%4
04ax.com&rnum=1
> Subject: Why Does NIZKOR/B'NAI BRITH Have Such Affection for Communists
and
> Why Would Anyone Who Values Freedom Give Them Donations?
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 22:52:09 -0600
> Message-ID: <hdpn7v445bkpebmovcd0aul56eeemv4e8a@no-spam>
>
> >> "...could incite his followers..." Is that your evidentiary
standard?
> :
> >Since CSIS has made the allegation, your question should be directed
> >there.
>
> Perhaps you should answer why Ernst Zundel is a threat when the ARA (which
you
> have stated is violent) is not viewed as a threat? Is it because the ARA
doesn't
> express views which the Canadian Jewish Power Brokers dislike as does
Ernst
> Zundel?
>
> People see the double standards McVay and they are starting to see through
you
> too! You leftists/communists/socialists can't have it both ways!
>
> Tavish
>
> ---
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=hdpn7v445bkpebmovcd0aul56eeemv4e8a%4
04ax.com&rnum=1
> Subject: Why Does NIZKOR/B'NAI BRITH Have Such Affection for Communists
and
> Why Would Anyone Who Values Freedom Give Them Donations?
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 22:52:09 -0600
> Message-ID: <hdpn7v445bkpebmovcd0aul56eeemv4e8a@no-spam>