AB GENERAL 80 NIZKOR ORG DIRECTOR KEN MCVAY CAUGHT LYING ABOUT SAN ANTONIO CONNECTION THOSE TWO U S SERVERS V2 0 R 0706
From: Hans Gerhardt Tavische (H_G_Tavische@no-spam)
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Caught Lying About San Antonio Connection! (Those Two U.S. Servers!) V2.0 R_0706
Date: 6 Jul 2003 16:52:51 GMT


The Nizkor Project -- Ken McVay Director P.O. Box 244, Station A Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5K9 Canada 1-250-616-9431
1-416-966-0461

Everyone reading this post will be able to appreciate the numerous lies The Nizkor Project's director Ken McVay is caught in. How can he be viewed as a credible source of information when he is blatantly dishonest about so many things I have caught him in and have documented in this post and the referral archives I list to other expose' posts I have made. Everyone try to keep track of the lies, deceptions, and flip-flops. To this very day Ken McVay has not answered simple questions about his funding methods and his operation. He resorts to name call, smear, and ad hominem attack. If he had nothing to hide and if he were on the up and up then why won't he answer!?
Nizkor's Ken McVay Caught Lying Big Time About his San Antonio Connection!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=9ksigb%24tct%241%40news.tht.net&rnum=5








From: kmcvay@no-spam (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Subject: BabbleBlubber's Bullshit
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 23:37:47 +0000 (UTC)

Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <9ksigb$tct$1@no-spam>

Ken Lewis said:

[...]

> >Nizkor - San Antonio (128K) > >http://www1.us.nizkor.org/
> >(Link active July 13, 2001)
: > Sorry, Scott, www1.us.nizkor.org is in Toronto.
<<Tavish comment March 12, 2003: You are wrong and Ken McVay's own claims prove so! If you are going to be his spin meister and attempt to do damage control then you should get your act together!>>

[...]

> >Nizkor Search Engine - San Antonio > >http://www1.us.nizkor.org/search.html : > Once again a simple DNS search could save you a lot of trouble.
>
> www1.us.nizkor.org is merely a domain name and does not indicate > where the pages resides.

<<Tavish comment March 12, 2003: I now slam dunk your claim above with Ken McVay's own words:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=4q2gf0%24rrn%40nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&rnum=30

From: kmcvay@no-spam (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: The Nizkor Web
Date: 1996/06/16

Message-ID: <4q2gf0$rrn@no-spam>
"Nizkor will open two full-mirror Nizkor web sites. One of them will operate out of Toronto, the other from San Antonio,
Texas. At about the same time the Texas server comes on-line,
nizkor.almanac.bc.ca, reconfigured in a 150MHz Pentium box,
will be upgraded to fibre." --End of Tavish comment>>

>But, as I indicated above, this one is in Toronto.

[...]

P.S. - for the history buffs.. at one time, Nizkor _did_ have servers in the United States - two of them...

<<Scott Bradbury comment January 17, 2003: In regard to this petty attempt to brow beat me Ken McVay admitted having two Nizkor servers in the United States.
Everyone please see the included archive included further down titled:
"Re: So Nizkor didn't receive $50,000 ?? Major US newspaper says he did."
which I had been posting and which brought this response.>>

~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~

Ken McVay admitted to having two Nizkor servers in the United States!
He however denies such now in the following:

http://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation
Shofar FTP Archive File:
people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_Foundation_donation
From kmcvay@no-spam Thu Jun 1 21:09:22 EDT 2000
Article: 747674 of alt.revisionism Path: hub.org!hub.org!not-for-mail
From: kmcvay@no-spam (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The embezzlement question McVay refuses to answer
Date: 2 Jun 2000 01:04:24 GMT

Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
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Message-ID: <8h716n$2t9h$1@no-spam>
References: <282e6175.3c2814b6@no-spam> Reply-To: kmcvay@no-spam X-Trace: news.tht.net 959907864 95537 216.126.72.2 (2 Jun 2000 01:04:24 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: scrappy@no-spam X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999)
Xref: hub.org alt.revisionism:747674

"Blakely" wrote in message news:282e6175.3c2814b6@no-spam > What did you do with the $50,000 given to you to start a Nizkor > operation in San Antonio? Since you claim you don't have a San > Antonio operation, is it safe to say that you simply embezzled > the money?

No one ever gave me $50,000. That sum was donated to the San Antonio Area Foundation. $40,000 was invested, at the direction of the donor,
in the purchase of two Sun computer systems. $10,000 was invested in an endowment fund in accordance with the regulations set by the San Antonio Area Foundation. The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me - or anyone else, to my knowledge. They have, however,
invested the donation as they were directed and legally bound to do.

The computers are in use to this day, confronting and refuting Holocaust denial, but I have nothing to do with their operation,
maintanence or development.

You can verify their existence by visiting http://www.holocaust-history.org and http://thhp.org.

I have no association with either organization, and never have. Should you have further questions, I suggest that you contact Robert Washington, Patrick Groff, Mark S. Freedman or Harry W. Mazal, OBE,
who are collectively responsible for the fund and the machines....

<END>

Notice two servers or computers are mentioned PLUS Ken McVay denied EVER having anything to do with either organization! That is simply false! Notice one person
mentioned is Harry Mazal OBE? He was the official US Nizkor rep as this archive proves:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=33382a3d.653997048%40news.txdirect.net&rnum=2

From: hmazal@no-spam (Harry W. Mazal OBE)
Subject: Re: The New, "Interactive" Ernst Zundel
Date: 1997/03/25

Message-ID: <33382a3d.653997048@no-spam>

My friend and colleague, Mr. McVay suggests that I "interact" with Mr.
Zundel...

Harry W. Mazal OBE
Nizkor (USA) An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~

Yet Ken McVay stated (as shown higher up): "The computers are in use to this day, confronting and refuting Holocaust denial, but I have nothing to do with their operation, maintanence or development. You can verify their existence by visiting http://www.holocaust-history.org and http://thhp.org.
I have no association with either organization, and never have. Should you have further questions, I suggest that you contact... Harry W. Mazal, OBE.."


Ken McVay lied and I ask if Ken never had anything to do with Harry Mazal then why did Harry Mazal post such as: "My friend and colleague, Mr. McVay suggests that I "interact" with Mr. Zundel... Harry W. Mazal OBE Nizkor (USA) An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource"?

Furthermore many "organizations" are actually the person who runs them. I.E. NIZKOR.ORG is really a web site solely operated by Ken McVay- hence Nizkor is Ken McVay! (All domain registration searches done with:
http://www.geektools.com/cgi-bin/proxy.cgi
Registrant: The Nizkor Project P.O. Box 244, Station A Nanaimo, BC V9R5K9 CA
Domain: NIZKOR.ORG Registrar: DomainBank.com
Administrative Contact: McVay, Kenneth KMCVAY@no-spam P.O. Box 244, Station A Nanaimo, BC V9R5K9 CA (PHONE) 416-966-0461
The two organizations Ken McVay named above and claimed in relation to them:
"http://www.holocaust-history.org and http://thhp.org. I have no association with either organization, and never have.." Two lies and here is the proof McVay
lied:

http://www.holocaust-history.org aka holocaust-history.org
Registrant: The Holocaust History Project (HOLOCAUST-HISTORY-DOM) 600 Sandau Suite 400 San Antonio, TX 78216 US
Domain Name: HOLOCAUST-HISTORY.ORG
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact: Mazal, Harry (HM1296) hmazal@no-spam The Mazal Library 600 Sandau, Suite 400 San Antonio, TX 78216 US 210-377-2742
<END>

Oooops! McVay denied having any connection to that org and as recently as June 2002 this was an active return from VeriSign:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=14152-3D1BD5BE-337%40storefull-2253.public.lawson.webtv.net&output=gplain
From: ragland37@no-spam (Michael Ragland)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Some Holes, Some Holocaust (Danny Keren)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:19:26 -0400 (EDT)

Message-ID: <14152-3D1BD5BE-337@no-spam>
References: <3D1BC57C.7000209@no-spam>

Veri Sign Whois http://www.netsol.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois
Enter mazal.org and read results
You are Here:WHOIS -> Search Results Search Results Registrant: San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund c/o BASIC (MAZAL2-DOM) 600 Sandau Suite 400 San Antonio, TX 78216 US Domain Name: MAZAL.ORG Administrative Contact, Technical Contact: Mazal, Harry (HM1296) hmazal@no-spam
The Mazal Library 600 Sandau, Suite 400 San Antonio, TX 78216 US 210-377-2742
Record expires on 28-Jun-2006.
Record created on 27-Jun-1997. Database last updated on 27-Jun-2002 22:55:14 EDT.
<end/quote>

McVay also posted the following which links him to Harry Mazal:

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=50n608%249ds@no-spam
From: kmcvay@no-spam (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
Date: 1996/09/05

Message-ID: <50n608$9ds@no-spam>
x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
organization: The Nizkor Project
[...]

In the United States, checks should be made payable to:

"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"

and should be mailed to:

San Antonio Area Foundation Nizkor Fund P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial improvements in service.

<end/quote>

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=4pvbkg%24auc@no-spam
From: kmcvay@no-spam (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: Nizkor Project financing and Kleinsorg's slandering Germans
Date: 1996/06/15

Message-ID: <4pvbkg$auc@no-spam>

In article <31c2fa3a.16855786@no-spam>,
hk@no-spam (Horst Kleinsorg) wrote, in response to my suggestion that he actually do some research:

>First tell us who is financing your Nizkor, then we perhaps can >talk.

Thank you for bringing that up, Mr. Kleinsorg. I am financed by thousands of "just plain folks" who wish to support my work.
[...]

In the United States, they make their cheques payable to:

SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund
and mail them to:

San Antonio Area Foundation Nizkor Fund P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

Once again, Mr. Kleinsorg, thank you for asking. I trust this open, public response will satisfy your query.

By the way, Mr. Kleinsorg... now that I have responded openly and honestly to your question, perhaps you can tell us what difference it makes who finances my work...
The Nizkor Project (Canada) - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource [Ftp] http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?
[Europe] ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!)......unlearn
<end/quote>

Looks to me like you're linked to Harry Mazal's organization! He was a receptacle and collector of donations for your Nizkor Project. You also are on record as having this exchange (as shown higher up in this very posting):

<quote>

You, Ken McVay, were asked this question:
> What did you do with the $50,000 given to you to start a Nizkor > operation in San Antonio? Since you claim you don't have a San > Antonio operation, is it safe to say that you simply embezzled > the money?

<You, Ken McVay are on record as answering with>:
No one ever gave me $50,000. That sum was donated to the San Antonio Area Foundation. $40,000 was invested, at the direction of the donor,
in the purchase of two Sun computer systems. $10,000 was invested in an endowment fund in accordance with the regulations set by the San Antonio Area Foundation. The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me...

<end/quote>

~~~New addition and thought evoking questions:

The slam dunk question of all time is-- If what you claim above with these words: "The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me - or anyone else, to my knowledge." AND you have stated this as well: "Neither The Nizkor Project nor
Ken McVay has ever received any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation -
Nizkor Fund" which is from this archive:
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=xO%25P9.1985%24C43.131501115@no-spam
Subject: Re: What did Kenny McVay do with money he claims he never got?
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
From: kmcvay@no-spam (Ken McVay)
Message-ID: <xO%P9.1985$C43.131501115@no-spam>
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:57:49 GMT


If both of those statements are accepted as true then why did you state (as shown in this very archive: "I am financed by thousands of "just plain folks"
who wish to support my work. ...In the United States, they make their cheques payable to: SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund" AND you also stated (as shown in this very archive): "The Nizkor Project appreciates your support ...In the United States, checks should be made payable to: "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund" ...The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial improvements in service." Why would you be giving thanks for
support and for financing through the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund if your words are true here: "Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"? SEE WHAT A LIAR YOU ARE AND SEE HOW I HAVE CAUGHT YOU!?

~~~End New addition and thought evoking questions~~~

NOW-- as for the second organization you have denied ever having any connection with: http://thhp.org
Domain Name: THHP.ORG
Organization: Jamie McCarthy Jamie McCarthy P.O. Box 20394 Kalamazoo, MI 49019 US Phone: 616-375-7528 Email: jamie@no-spam
Registrar Name....: Register.com Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com
Domain Name: THHP.ORG
<END>

That organization is Jamie McCarthy and he was, after all, a former co-webmaster
of yours so how can you deny having any connection with him? He is THHP.ORG just
as your are NIZKOR.ORG!! HOWEVER if one opens up the domain name of www.thhp.org
they will get this: The link changes to: http://www.holocaust-history.org/
(Sound familiar? It's connected to Harry Mazal!!) Click this link regarding donations: "If you are interested in making a donation, please see our information regarding donations.: http://www.holocaust-history.org/donations/
and you get: "Donations- This Internet site is maintained by The Holocaust History Project,Inc. The Holocaust History Project, Inc. is a not for profit corporation organized under the laws of the state of Texas... Ralf P. Loserth,
Treasurer The Holocaust History Project, Inc. 600 Sandau Road; Suite 400; San Antonio, Texas 78216" (Links right back to Harry Mazal!!!) That is the same person and same address of the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund!!
(I showed the GOOGLE archive which documents Michael Ragland doing a VeriSign WhoIs on MAZAL.ORG as late as June 27, 2002 higher up in this very post).

Here is proof Jamie McCarthy is your former co-webmaster at Nizkor:

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=jamie-0312962106210001@no-spam
From: jamie@no-spam (Jamie McCarthy)
Subject: Re: the new, revised Nizkor
Date: 1996/12/03

Message-ID: <jamie-0312962106210001@no-spam>
references: <3298694d.77290350@no-spam>
organization: Voyager Information Networks, Inc.
newsgroups: alt.revisionism
NIZKOR FUNDING:
CANADA & THE UNITED STATES
[...]

THE UNITED STATES
In the United States, donations for the project's efforts should be made payable to:

San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
and should be mailed to:

San Antonio Area Foundation Nizkor Fund P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

American donors may deduct contributions as provided in section 170 of the Internal Revenue Code. Bequests, legacies, devises, transfers, or gifts are deductible for federal, estate, and gift tax purposes if they meet the applicable provisions of Code sections 2055, 2106 and 2522.

We very much appreciate your donations, which assist in the development and enhancement of The Nizkor Project website. Thank You.
--
Jamie McCarthy http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
jamie@no-spam Co-Webmaster of http://www.nizkor.org/

<end/quote>

Now I ask again- now that it has been established those two computer systems San
Antonio Area Foundation gave you $50,000 to set up why do you now deny getting $50,000 which your own web site link even proves you received as I quote here:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803
Shofar FTP Archive File: people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803

San Antonio Express-News August 3, 1996
Page 10B
"Internet project won't let Holocaust be forgotten"
By Thomas Edwards Express-News Staff Writer
"Nizkor" in Hebrew means "we will remember," but it is also a solemn promise Holocaust researcher Kenneth McVay has taken to the Internet so that people will never forget the atrocities of Nazi Germany.

Now his task has gotten a little easier with a $50,000 grant from the philanthropic San Antonio Area Foundation to the Nizkor Project, an international computer web site directed by the 55-
year-old McVay from his home in Vancouver Island, Canada.... <END>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You did say and you are on record as saying those Nizkor links were at one time American links and B'nai Brith listed them as being in San Antonio! Care to explain your lies I have caught you in?

Now watch more name calling and personal attacks to commence!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=prnbnto9b6kta1qj9irupqh0a3oq20drvq%404ax.com&rnum=2

Subject: Re: So Nizkor didn't receive $50,000 ?? Major US newspaper says he did.
Message-ID: <prnbnto9b6kta1qj9irupqh0a3oq20drvq@no-spam>

<<<In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. - FAIR USE INTENDED>>>

http://www.bnaibrith.ca/publications/jclinks/jincan-01.htm (Link Active August 11, 2001)

B'NAI BRITH CANADA
LINKS If you would like to add your organization or community service to this listing, or if you have suggestions for other links, please email the webmaster at bnb@no-spam
Jewish Indices | Selected Israel sites | Media Sites | Hate on the Internet |
Palestinian and Islamic Sites | Anti-Hate Groups | Canadian Government
Anti-Hate Groups:
Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith Canadian Race Relations Foundation / Fondation canadienne des relations raciales
Fighting Hate - HTML HateWatch Inc. Simon Wiesenthal Center Anti-Racist Action Human Rights Internet (HRI) International Centre of Human Rights and Democratic Development
Nizkor Home Page Toronto http://www.nizkor.org/

Nizkor Home Page British Columbia http://www.almanac.bc.ca/

Nizkor - Toronto (T1)
http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/
Nizkor - Toronto (128K)
http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/
Nizkor - San Antonio (128K) http://www1.us.nizkor.org/
(Link Active August 11, 2001)

Holocaust Cybrary- Now at Nizkor!
Nizkor Search Engine - San Antonio http://www1.us.nizkor.org/search.html (Link Active August 11, 2001)

<end>

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

These links also show the same material presented by B'nai Brith web site at that time:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=qdb3ntsfl4hld4vbrpe5o4vlghoadoie2f%404ax.com&rnum=6&filter=0

Subject: Canadian Revenue Payers Subsidize NIZKOR, a Web Site not Sanctioned by
CCRA, Through an Elaborate Scam aka Re: Blubberbury's Bullshit and Blather
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 16:58:03 -0500

Message-ID: <qdb3ntsfl4hld4vbrpe5o4vlghoadoie2f@no-spam>

GOOGLE archive thread relating to: "Nizkor Search Engine - San Antonio"
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+%22Nizkor+Search+Engine+-+San+Antonio%22&num=20&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&as_drrb=b&as_mind=1&as_minm=7&as_miny=2001&as_maxd=15&as_maxm=9&as_maxy=2001&filter=0


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Also see:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3e0608d2_1%40news2.uncensored-news.com&rnum=1

Subject: NIZKOR.ORG and B'nai Brith's Apparent Funding Kick Backs and Tax Scam
Message-ID: <3e0608d2_1@no-spam>
Date: 22 Dec 2002 18:48:04 GMT


http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3e060868_1%40news2.uncensored-news.com&rnum=1

Subject: Is NIZKOR Running a Self Serving Endowment Fund Scam?
Message-ID: <3e060868_1@no-spam>
Date: 22 Dec 2002 18:46:15 GMT


http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3df2a771.119319192%40news5.uncensored-news.com&rnum=5

Subject: Nanaimo BC Resident Ken McVay lies about his agenda to stifle FREE
SPEECH R_1207
Message-ID: <3df2a771.119319192@no-spam>
Date: 8 Dec 2002 01:58:44 GMT

FREE SPEECH WORLDWIDE UNDER ASSAULT BY B'NAI BRITH AND NIZKOR.ORG
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=s71b2vk0o1r8r7dnk8n3ijlldct647par9%404ax.com&rnum=1

Subject: NIZKOR Director Ken McVay in Bed With Communists and His Animosity
Against Anti-Communists Documented ...
Message-ID: <s71b2vk0o1r8r7dnk8n3ijlldct647par9@no-spam>
Date: 15 Jan 2003 15:57:20 GMT

(Very brief excerpt)
The League of Human Rights of B'nai Brith (Ken McVay's Nizkor sponsor) got a court ruling which declares this about anti-communism:

http://www.chrt-tcdp.gc.ca/decisions/docs/league-e.htm T.D. 15/92 Decision rendered December 16, 1992
CANADIAN HUMAN RIGHTS ACT R.S.C., 1985, c. H-6 (as amended)
HUMAN RIGHTS TRIBUNAL [...]

B. THE COMPLAINTS These complaints are brought by ... The League for Human Rights B'Nai Brith Canada ... (1) Themes Which Promote Hatred: ... (g) Anti-Communist Ideology .... <END>

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=hdpn7v445bkpebmovcd0aul56eeemv4e8a%404ax.com&rnum=1

Subject: Why Does NIZKOR/B'NAI BRITH Have Such Affection for Communists and
Why Would Anyone Who Values Freedom Give Them Donations?
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 22:52:09 -0600

Message-ID: <hdpn7v445bkpebmovcd0aul56eeemv4e8a@no-spam>

Tavish
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