Please note Ken McVay uses "BB" at times when he is referring to B'nai Brith.
Ken McVay is the director of The Nizkor Project and is the sole operator.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9ureg9%241c70%241%40news.tht.net&output=gplain
Followup-To: alt.revisionism
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <9ureg9$1c70$1@no-spam>
In article <1DaQ7.32476$nm3.1544979@no-spam>,
Stephen H. Kawamoto <shkawamoto@no-spam> wrote:
>B-nai B-rith is also a civilian spy arm of the Jewish Anti-Defamation
>League, the official oxymoron for the Jewish-American people who deface,
"B'nai B'rith was the parent organization that created the ADL, which
has long since severed its ties. In short, there is no connection
between BB and the ADL, and BB isn't a "civilian spy arm" for anyone.
>defame and destroy free speech that exposes their smoke-and-magick show
Provide evidence that BB or the ADL have "destroy free speech." Use
your free speech to do so.
>Indeed, BB is collecting information on citizens who post in
>alt.revisionism and anywhere else articles of an anti-Semitic theme.
>
>I'm pointing this out as common knowledge.
In other words, you have no evidence whatsoever that anyone at B'nai
Brith Canada, or B'nai B'rith, or the ADL is collecting any
information whatsoever on anyone posting to UseNet. Thank you for
making that clear.
<end of cited text>
The above post made by Ken McVay, director of The Nizkor Project, is
filled with numerous lies which I will break down into their various
parts and prove how Ken McVay lied in each instance.
The breakdown of lies told by McVay from the above post;
A) Lie number one espoused by Ken McVay;
"B'nai B'rith was the parent organization that created the ADL, which
has long since severed its ties. In short, there is no connection
between BB and the ADL..."
B) Lie number two espoused by Ken McVay;
"..the ADL, and BB isn't a "civilian spy arm" for anyone. ... you have
no evidence whatsoever that anyone at B'nai Brith Canada, or B'nai B'rith,
or the ADL is collecting any information whatsoever on anyone posting to
UseNet."
C) Lie number three espoused by Ken McVay;
"Provide evidence that BB or the ADL have "destroy free speech."
When I expose McVay in his lies for his MASTERS the B'nai Brith and its
ADL you all should see how some of McVay's lies overlap.
LET US BEGIN!!
This material counters;
A) Lie number one espoused by Ken McVay;
"B'nai B'rith was the parent organization that created the ADL, which
has long since severed its ties. In short, there is no connection
between BB and the ADL..."
http://www.bnaibrith.ca/league/league.htm
"Report an Anti-Semitic/Racist Incident 1-800 892-BNAI
The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada is dedicated to
combatting antisemitism, racism, and bigotry. The objectives of the League
include the protection of human rights of all Canadians, the development
of positive inter-community relations, and the elimination of racial
discrimination and antisemitism. Working in co-operative association with
the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai Brith, the League for Human Rights of
B'nai Brith Canada accomplishes its goals through: Legal/Legislative
Initiatives ...."
http://www.bnaibrith.ca/nfindex.htm
"[D]ocuments published by The League for Human Rights, The Anti-Defamation
League (ADL) of B?nai B?rith, The Nizkor Project and The Institute for
International Affairs."
http://www.bnaibrith.ca/publications/publicn.htm#5
"Anti Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (USA)
The League for Human Rights is the sole Canadian distributor for materials
published by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of B'nai B'rith, 823 United
Nations Plaza, New York, N.Y., 10017. For a listing of ADL materials,
including resources on hate/bias crime, hate groups in America and
materials for multicultural education, see the Anti-Defamation League
Material Resource Catalogue(s) available, free of charge, from the League
for Human Rights, 15 Hove Street, Downsview, ON M3H 4Y8, Phone (416)
633-6224, Fax: (416) 630-2159." EXACT QUOTE!!
Despite what Ken McVay's very own MASTERS reveal about themselves and how
the B'nai Brith and ADL are linked together to this very day; Ken McVay
will still attack the messenger who exposes how he lied when he said;
"B'nai B'rith was the parent organization that created the ADL, which has
long since severed its ties. In short, there is no connection between BB
and the ADL.."
If The Nizkor Project's director is dishonest about the basics then why
should he be trusted about more critical matters of import?
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
This material counters;
B) Lie number two espoused by Ken McVay;
"..the ADL, and BB isn't a "civilian spy arm" for anyone. ... you have
no evidence whatsoever that anyone at B'nai Brith Canada, or B'nai B'rith,
or the ADL is collecting any information whatsoever on anyone posting to
UseNet."
http://www.adl.org/focus_sheets/focus_overview.html
"Fighting anti-Semitism and bigotry here and abroad, the Anti-Defamation
League probes the roots of hatred against Jews and serves as a public
resource for government, media, law enforcement agencies and the public at
large.
ANTI-SEMITISM, BIGOTRY, RACISM
ADL is America's prime resource for information on organized bigotry. The
League collects and assesses a vast amount of information on anti-Semites,
racists and extremists. After carefully evaluating information, ADL
disseminates that information through books, periodicals, videos, reports
and other materials. The League also monitors haters in cyberspace.."
<end>
Is not USENET "cyberspace"?
http://www.adl.org/focus_sheets/focus_internet.html
"HATE ON THE INTERNET
The Internet presents ADL with new opportunities and challenges.
With its information-filled Web site, ADL now reaches more people than
ever -- opinion molders, the media, law enforcement...
At the same time, hate groups have taken to the Internet and World
Wide Web to propagandize and proselytize. Anti-Semites and racists are
rapidly expanding their use of the Internet, communicating with each
other, preaching to the vast majority of people who do not share their
beliefs, raising funds and threatening their enemies. ADL monitors and
documents hundreds of extremist Web sites as well as dozens of e-mail
mailing lists, newsgroups and chat rooms...." <end>
Question for The Nizkor Project's director Ken McVay; "Hey Ken, did you
notice your MASTERS used the term "newsgroups"? That kind of deep sixes
your claim of: "you have no evidence whatsoever that anyone at B'nai Brith
Canada, or B'nai B'rith, or the ADL is collecting any information
whatsoever on anyone posting to UseNet.." It is so easy to catch you lying
for your MASTERS! Is not USENET the same as newsgroups?"
Remember everyone when you read and re-read the above and what follows as
well that Ken McVay, the director of The Nizkor Project, is on record as
stating; "...the ADL, and BB isn't a "civilian spy arm... In other words,
you have no evidence whatsoever that anyone at B'nai Brith Canada, or
B'nai B'rith, or the ADL is collecting any information whatsoever on
anyone posting to UseNet. Thank you for making that clear." Message-ID:
<9ureg9$1c70$1@no-spam>
http://www.adl.org/presrele/ASUS_12/2609_12.asp
"[A]nti-Semites and racists are using the Internet to recruit new members,
get their message out and open new channels of communication among
sympathizers, a report just released by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL)
reveals. Hate Group Recruitment On the Internet shows how extremists are
exploiting the technology of the Internet, including the World Wide Web
and USENET, to attract supporters ... the ADL leaders said. "The message
is clear: we must monitor it..." <end>
Looks like McVay is failing miserably at trying to cover his master's
agenda! McVay did state (as detailed above): ""[Y]ou have no evidence
whatsoever that anyone at B'nai Brith Canada, or B'nai B'rith, or the ADL
is collecting any information whatsoever on anyone posting to UseNet."
http://www.models-research.ie/publications/art/99-6.html
... Usenet newsgroups such as alt.politics.white-power offer an
opportunity to recruit new members. Postings from newcomers can be
followed up with contact by direct email to encourage the newcomers to
feel part of the racist community. ...the Anti-Defamation League (ADL),
monitor and document hate activities on the Internet." <end>
http://www.adl.org/mwd/m1.htm
". Important! More and more people are erroneously coming to think that
all information can be found on the World Wide Web. It cannot. Although
there are a number of members of the militia movement active in Usenet
..." <end>
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/anti-semitism/internet.html
Usenet newsgroups-on-line community discussion bulletin boards-also
contribute to the proliferation of publicly visible anti-Semitic hate
on-line. Anyone with access can read and send messages to the newsgroups.
To read or post messages to a group, the user simply uses the newsreader
program provided by most Internet services. The number of messages posted
to the newsgroups is staggering; upwards of 60,000,000 a year and growing!
Considering these numbers, it is not surprising that tens of thousands of
anti-Semitic rants show up each year and 1996 was no exception. Unlike the
World Wide Web, where the user must seek out a site, haters on the Usenet
can send their messages, unsolicited, to any group. ... Newsgroup hate
messages are more like anonymous phone calls or letters that can be sent
simultaneously to hundreds or thousands of people. (To be consistent with
past practice, the ADL Audit counts such simultaneous hate messages as one
incident.) ... <end>
Notice the mention who keeps count of what is posted in USENET? Its the
ADL!!
http://people.brandeis.edu/~anti-defamation/committee/Hillel_monitoring.html
Do Your Student Members Want to Help ADL Fight Hate on the Internet?
As a vehicle for spreading hate, the Internet is more powerful than
anything extremists of past decades could have imagined. Using the World
Wide Web, electronic bulletin boards, chat rooms and E-mail, anti-Semites
and racists voice their ideas, hoping to recruit new supporters. Bigots
also employ the Internet to communicate with each other. Often, extremists
invade the space of unsuspecting Internet users to spread their message.
Propagandists send unsolicited E-mail messages to thousands, post
off-topic messages to USENET newsgroups, and seek to dominate the bulletin
boards at mainstream Web sites.
...ADL continuously monitors and documents Internet hate...
THE ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE IS SEEKING STUDENT MEMBERS OF HILLEL WHO ARE
INTERESTED IN HELPING US MONITOR HATE ON THE INTERNET.
If your students are interested, all they need is a computer with Internet
access and the desire to volunteer time. Volunteers can monitor the
Internet on their own, wherever and whenever they choose....
The Anti-Defamation League is requesting that volunteers monitor
publicly-available information on the Internet only. We are particularly
interested in finding out about threats of action, announcements of
upcoming events, specific information about extremist individuals, written
attacks on well-known Jewish institutions or individuals, bigoted comments
on current events, and links to new hateful Web sites. Particular areas of
the Internet that are of concern to us are Web-based chat rooms and
discussion boards, Internet Relay Chat rooms, and USENET newsgroups. As
appropriate, some volunteers may be asked to look at specific chat rooms,
bulletin boards, or USENET newsgroups in addition to general monitoring
duties. ... You and your students can play an important part by helping
ADL. Please contact us today! <end>
Translating in general; "The Anti-Defamation League is... interested in
finding out about threats of action, announcements of upcoming events,
written attacks on well-known Jewish institutions or individuals, bigoted
comments on current events..." which tells me that they think they are
above honest and open scrutiny. I will not defend true hate speech but
what constitutes hate speech to this crowd is being critical in any manner
of their agenda.
April 21, 2003 UPDATE (Additional Material):
http://www.bnaibrith.ca/league/hh-students/sst.htm
"Co-opting Modern Technology in the Struggle... It will also be useful for
developing a central database ... To that end, both B'nai Brith Canada and the
Massuah Instituite currently have sites on the World Wide Web, and the services
of the Nizkor Project will also be made available... The Nizkor Project is a
Holocaust information archive and educational resource on the Internet to
monitor and refute the falsehoods, half-truths and misinformation distributed
via this and other media..." <END>
http://www.bnaibrith.ca/league/hoti/hoti2rex.htm
I. LEGAL/LEGISLATIVE:
1. The Government of Canada should:
A. Introduce amendments to the provisions of the Criminal Code penalizing hate
propaganda
i. Remove the territorial limitation for the commission of the offence and make
the offence one of universal jurisdiction
ii. Allow courts to take judicial notice of any historically recognized act of
genocide
iii. Expand the list of identifiable groups to include all disadvantaged groups
that are, after study, determined to be the target of incitement to hatred
iv. Penalize the downloading and possession, on hard drives or floppy disks, of
hate propaganda with the intent to promote hatred
[...]
v. Encouraging and supporting the Nizkor Project (www.nizkor.org) and other
pro-active sites
4. Funding and Resources are required to:
i. Organize a dedicated group to train experts to monitor the net
[...]
<END>
Did everyone see the big picture and did everyone see who is part of the
monitoring? The same liar who denies that it is being done! KEN McVay-- Director
of Nizkor!! Ken McvVay is also fundied through and supported by B'nai Brith and
Ken McVay has made this claim (as quoted higher up in this very post):
"In other words, you have no evidence whatsoever that anyone at B'nai
Brith Canada, or B'nai B'rith, or the ADL is collecting any
information whatsoever on anyone posting to UseNet.." YET as B'nai Brith's
"paid" lackey Ken Mcvay compiles and runs a database on private citizens who
post to USENET as witnessed by his people files:
http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/hweb/people/
What does that tell everyone that B'nai Brith funds a web site which compiles
and collects information on private citizens and then keeps a database!?
Proof B'nai Brith is a funding arm of The Nizkor Project:
http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html
The Nizkor Project is pleased to announce its cooperative affiliation with the
League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada. The League is a national
volunteer organization dedicated to combatting antisemitism, racism and bigotry,
and to promoting human rights for all Canadians.
Donors wishing to use their VISA or MASTER CARD for their donation may call
B'nai Brith directly, at 1-416-633-6224, and advise the receptionist that they
wish to make a donation to the Nizkor Project; If you prefer, you can print this
form and send to:
The Nizkor Project
c/o
The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
15 Hove Street
Toronto, Ontario M3H 4Y8
Name:________________________________________
Street Address:________________________________________________
City_________________State/Province__________Postal Code_______
E-Mail Address:_________________________________
Amount Enclosed: $___________
Please make your donations payable to "The League for Human Rights of B'nai
Brith Canada," and add the words "Nizkor Trust Fund" to the cheque's memo
section. A portion of amounts donated to the Trust Fund is used to build the
Nizkor Endowment Fund. If you prefer that all of your donation be invested for
Nizkor's future needs, please earmark your cheque or draft with the notation
'For The Nizkor Endowment Fund Only. (All bequests should be to the 'Nizkor
Endowment Fund, Care of The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada'.)
Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt. [#0235903-43-13]
<END>
Need I say more? Canadian revenue payers are indirectly subsidizing a KGB type
of database which violates the right of privacy of private citizens and
infringes upon their right of free speech with the freedom from harassment.
I have been harassed as a result of such doings by Nizkor and its minions!
MORE:
http://www.bnaibrith.ca/publications/audit2001/audit2001-03.html
SECTION 3: TECHNOLOGY — THE MECHANICS OF MASS HATE
ANTISEMITIC ACTIVITY ON THE INTERNET
Kenneth McVay, Director, The Nizkor Project
[...]
The Internet offers a variety of media, which the racial-nationalist movement
can use as recruiting tools. These include UseNet, which now offers some
50-60,000 topical and interactive discussion groups (“newsgroups”)...
I have devoted most of this discussion to UseNet and its topical discussion
groups, which I believe offer a more attractive recruiting venue, and which
provide significantly more evidence of antisemitism...
According to a news release from the Government of Canada dated October 15,
2001, the government, through its new Anti-Terrorism legislation introduced at
the end of 2001, announced its intention to amend “…the Criminal Code to
eliminate online hate propaganda and create a new offence of mischief against
places of religious worship or religious property; and [amend] the Canadian
Human Rights Act to extend the prohibition against hate messages beyond
telephone messages to include all telecommunications technologies.”... <END>
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
This material counters;
C) Lie number three espoused by Ken McVay;
"Provide evidence that BB or the ADL have "destroy free speech."
www.media-awareness.ca/eng/issues/internet/resource/matas.htm
By David Matas, Senior Legal Counsel
B'nai Brith Canada, 1997
"Posting to combat Holocaust denial is best exemplified by the Nizkor
project led by Ken McVay. The Anti-Defamation League of B'nai Brith
Canada has a site more general in nature about combatting anti-Semitism.
... Another form of non-legal response is withdrawal of services. Access
to the internet requires an internet access provider. Internet access
providers are commercial enterprises which are free to offer, or to
decline to offer their services to whomever they want, provided they are
non-discriminatory. ... One common technique for combatting hate speech is
approaching those who would provide a platform for hatemongers and asking
them to withdraw the platform... the League for Human Rights of B'nai
Brith Canada might ask the organization to withdraw the invitation,
explaining to them who the speaker is and why the invitation is
inappropriate. There is no reason why similar techniques could not be
employed with phone companies and internet access providers." <end>
I now ask; "HOW MANY OF MCVAY'S LIES WERE EXPOSED IN THE ABOVE MATERIAL?"
More documented examples of B'nai Brith's waging wars against free speech
and debate;
http://bnaibrith.org/pr/brazil2.html
From the World's Largest Jewish Organization
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
B'nai B'rith
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
LANDMARK COURT DECISION CONVICTS HOLOCAUST DENIER IN BRAZIL
Washington, D.C. (November 7, 1996) -- For the first time in Latin America
a Holocaust denier has been found guilty and sentenced to two years in
prison. The landmark decision of the High Court of Justice in the
southernmost Brazilian state of Rio Grande do Sul reversed a lower court
ruling and resulted in the conviction of Siegfried Ellwanger on grounds
that he violated the nation's constitution and penal code.
The president of B'nai B'rith in Brazil hailed the decision. "Holocaust
deniers such as Ellwanger seek to encourage racial and religious divisions
that are not compatible with our democratic society," said Abrao
Lowenthal. B'nai B'rith along with other Jewish groups in Brazil brought
Ellwanger to trial.
Because Ellwanger had no previous criminal record the court waived his
prison sentence and ordered him to perform three years of community
service and ordered him to stop publishing his racist material. Under the
ruling, Ellwanger's books will be confiscated and banned. Ellwanger, who
writes under the name "S.E. Castan," has written or published 13
anti-Semitic books in Portuguese including the infamous The Elders of the
Protocols of Zion and Henry Ford's The International Jew. One of
Ellwanger's books is titled The Holocaust: Jewish or German."
The Jewish community of the state of Rio Grande do Sul, which brought the
case to court, was pleased with the verdict. According to their attorney
Helio Santana, a B'nai B'rith member, "Ellwanger has denied the existence
of concentration camps as well as the numbers of people who died at the
hands of Nazis and their collaborators. He tried to twist reality by
stating that the Holocaust was a big lie."
Rio Grande do Sul is one of the wealthiest states in Brazil. It is home to
a sizeable German population and has been the scene of persisting neo-Nazi
and skinhead activities. There are 12,500 Jews in the state, mostly in the
capital. Ellwanger, who is Brazilian-born, is part of a racist, separatist
movement which wants the state to secede from Brazil in order to isolate
itself from other ethnic groups in the country.
B'nai B'rith International President Tommy P. Baer, a lawyer based in
Richmond, Virginia, hailed the decision. "This critical legal decision has
important ramifications for Brazil and all of Latin America. By punishing
this hatemonger, Brazil is working to meet a standard of decency which
will not tolerate bigotry and hatred."
The world's oldest and largest Jewish organization, B'nai B'rith has
members in 56 countries including Brazil and others throughout Latin
America.
<end>
The above was quoted in full too!
How about this gem which makes what Ken McVay said (as documented above)
look like the liar he truly is; "Provide evidence that BB or the ADL have
"destroy free speech." Use your free speech to do so."? Does the following
contradict what McVay said? Yes it does!
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mcvay-ken/press/vancouver-sun.980408.html
The Vancouver Sun
April 8, 1998
BC tel asked to cut off net Nazis' connection
William Boei, Sun Business Reporter Vancouver Sun
[...]
Fairview hosts a group of national and international "hate sites.."
... The propaganda they spread on the Internet rarely fails to get a rise
from Jewish and anti-racist groups. This time, a Winnipeg-based branch of
the B'nai Brith's League for Human Rights and Vancouver's Canadian
Anti-Racism Education and Research Society are asking BC Tel to cut off
Fairview's network connection to the Internet. ... Ken McVay, a British
Columbian who runs the Nizkor Project, a massive on- line archive that
documents and refutes ... <name calling is not refuting> ... McVay has
been fighting hate speech on the Net for six years, compiling archives
<files on private citizens>, offering to establish links between hate
sites and Nizkor's Web site, and responding to virtually every hate post
that appears on the Internet's Usenet section <personal attacks are not
valid responses>. ... "My whole agenda is to try and remove their market,
as it were," McVay said. "They have an agenda to sell. If, by
demonstrating that they are lying <you're the one who has been caught
lying!!> about a specific issue, I can remove a few hundred people from
their potential market place, then I've done them some harm." ... B'nai
Brith, incidentally, covers both ends of the anti-Net-Nazi spectrum. It is
asking BC Tel to sever Fairview from the Net, and it collects donations
for the Nizkor Project." <end>
Comments between < and > were mine!
In article <3da20f91_7@no-spam>,
Wallace Cleaver <WallyCleaver@no-spam> wrote:
>In article <7Pno9.7814$Et5.111266969@no-spam>, kmcvay@no-spam says...
>>
>>>ask why do you keep dodging the truth about your part in waging war
>>>against free speech and debate. Do you want to be a man and publicly
>>
>>Horsepucky. If you have _evidence_ of this, present it.
>
>I did and you deleted all of it and anyone reading this thread now and
>in the future will see you for the liar you are.
No, you didn't. You did provide an incomplete quotation, out of
context. Had you provided the complete statement, of course, your
"case" would have been laughed off the net.
I love it. You quote me out of context,...
<end of cited article>
The above lies were made in this post;
stance documented
Reply-To: kmcvay@no-spam
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McVay lied when he made the claim he was quoted out of context because
it was his own post from which his words were taken and he did not
claim at that time he was quoted out of context. Here is Ken McVay
caught in another lie;
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4okht8%24nep%40nizkor.almanac.bc.ca&output=gplain
Message-ID: <4okht8$nep@no-spam>
distribution: inet
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<1996May27.045826.20905@no-spam> <4od0ng$208@no-spam>
<1996May29.190720.6645@no-spam> organization: The Nizkor Project
>McVay on CBC:
>"I did at that time approve [of] Canadian actions against Zundel against
>Keegstra, ah it was sort of a gut reaction because they offended me so
>deeply I said good shut them up put them in jail do what ever it takes,
> ...no free speech."
Now, Mr. Lockhart, please try and equate my comment about
German prisons and Canadian actions against Zundel.
<end of cited text>
Those were Ken McVay's own words which he repeated in his own reply and
Ken McVay did not complain then that they were out of context. IOW Ken
McVay is still a liar and not a very good one at that!
IOW McVay was quoted in context and from his own post at that and proven
to be a liar once again.
Tavish
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