G'day Rod and Nick,
In article <bdpa1k$gb$1@no-spam>,
nick@no-spam (Nick Andrew) wrote:
>"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@no-spam> writes:
[Snipped previous discussion.]
>>Looks very much like DoV ISDN has just passed
>>its useby date. Or will in August etc, anyway.
>
>Well the guy can get a $49 iiNet ADSL connection in Bathurst then. If the
>problem is price and not something physical like distance from exchange or
>non-enabled exchange, it's a small price to pay for having a pretty
>reliable permanent connection.
The ABC talk-back guru I mentioned elsewhere just now, also said this
morning (that's actually *Monday* morning now :) that people can get
caught with ADSL 24/7 connections because the "background" download
traffic (presumably in and out) for an "always on" connection can
amount to around 10MB/day, or around 300MB/month.
That's a pretty fair slug out of a basic 400/500MB monthly plan. (Or
even from a 1gig plan, come to that.)
I haven't seen this mentioned around here, so I'm wondering if that's
a realistic average figure or just a very pessimistic one. Also, I
think at least some ISPs (e.g. BigPond, IIRC) don't count their
housekeeping traffic as part of your allowance, so maybe it's a
non-issue even if the amount is roughly correct.
Cheers, Phred.
--
ppnerkDELETE@no-spam
"Phred" <ppnerkDELETETHIS@no-spam> wrote in message
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: The ABC talk-back guru I mentioned elsewhere just now, also said this
: morning (that's actually *Monday* morning now :) that people can get
: caught with ADSL 24/7 connections because the "background" download
: traffic (presumably in and out) for an "always on" connection can
: amount to around 10MB/day, or around 300MB/month.
Based on what figure? A DoS attack? And what "background" download is said
guru rabbiting on about?
Also of people scan IP And hostmask ranges searching for insecure
systems/boxes
Not to forget windows OS internet stuff
"-=[VampiressX]=-" <vampiress@no-spam> wrote in message
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> "Phred" <ppnerkDELETETHIS@no-spam> wrote in message
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> :
> : The ABC talk-back guru I mentioned elsewhere just now, also said this
> : morning (that's actually *Monday* morning now :) that people can get
> : caught with ADSL 24/7 connections because the "background" download
> : traffic (presumably in and out) for an "always on" connection can
> : amount to around 10MB/day, or around 300MB/month.
>
> Based on what figure? A DoS attack? And what "background" download is said
> guru rabbiting on about?
>
>
>
Mostly your right.
However as discussed on "bigpond.broadband.tech.lans" recently if you have a
router that remains on after midnight (ie 00-50AM) there appears to be some
form of relogging of accounts and other traffic causing total transfer of
anywhere from 1-2MB (some ahave reported more) which occurs everynight.
Maybe they are searching for servers??
I have tried it and experienced the same rates. Turning off the router but
leaving the modem powered on generated no billed traffic.
The router traffic experience was reported with several router models.
Netgear several models, Alcatel Speedtouch Pro 4 Port, Linksys. I don't know
if it covers the full range of models. This occured on ADSL. A guy using a
Smoothwall box (not a router) reported the same traffic.
So there is an overhead of 30-50MB per month for some bigpond ADSL users.
Moral is turn off modem and router when not required. Quite easy if all on
one power board.
Greg
"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@no-spam> wrote in message
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> Phred <ppnerkDELETETHIS@no-spam> wrote in message
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> > nick@no-spam (Nick Andrew) wrote
> >> Rod Speed <rod_speed@no-spam> writes
>
> >>> Looks very much like DoV ISDN has just passed
> >>> its useby date. Or will in August etc, anyway.
>
> >> Well the guy can get a $49 iiNet ADSL connection in Bathurst
> >> then. If the problem is price and not something physical like
> >> distance from exchange or non-enabled exchange, it's a small
> >> price to pay for having a pretty reliable permanent connection.
>
> > The ABC talk-back guru I mentioned elsewhere just now, also said
> > this morning (that's actually *Monday* morning now :) that people
> > can get caught with ADSL 24/7 connections because the "background"
> > download traffic (presumably in and out) for an "always on" connection
> > can amount to around 10MB/day, or around 300MB/month.
>
> Complete drivel. I did fine on Telstra's
> 350MB plan until they increased it to 500M.
>
> > That's a pretty fair slug out of a basic 400/500MB
> > monthly plan. (Or even from a 1gig plan, come to that.)
>
> Its not so bad with the higher limits, because someone who actually
> needs 500MB will still end up below the limit with the 1GB plan.
>
> > I haven't seen this mentioned around here, so I'm wondering
> > if that's a realistic average figure or just a very pessimistic one.
>
> Its a mindlessly silly number.
>
> > Also, I think at least some ISPs (e.g. BigPond, IIRC) don't
> > count their housekeeping traffic as part of your allowance,
>
> None of them do.
>
> > so maybe it's a non-issue even if the amount is roughly correct.
>
> Yeah, there is certainly a heartbeat between the adsl
> modem and the dslam, but it doesnt get counted.
>
>
G Hutch <ghutch@no-spam> wrote in message
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> Mostly your right.
Completely I'm right. As always.
> However as discussed on "bigpond.broadband.tech.lans"
> recently if you have a router that remains on after midnight
> (ie 00-50AM) there appears to be some form of relogging
> of accounts and other traffic causing total transfer of anywhere
> from 1-2MB (some ahave reported more) which occurs everynight.
Doesnt mean that that is included in the billed volume.
> Maybe they are searching for servers??
They dont care about servers. Basically because
they charge for both uploads and downloads.
> I have tried it and experienced the same rates.
> Turning off the router but leaving the modem
> powered on generated no billed traffic.
Or maybe its your router doing it.
> The router traffic experience was reported with several
> router models. Netgear several models, Alcatel Speedtouch
> Pro 4 Port, Linksys. I don't know if it covers the full range
> of models. This occured on ADSL. A guy using a
> Smoothwall box (not a router) reported the same traffic.
> So there is an overhead of 30-50MB per
> month for some bigpond ADSL users.
Nothing like the original stupid claim.
> Moral is turn off modem and router when not required.
Pointless bothering.
> Quite easy if all on one power board.
Pointless bothering.
> Rod Speed <rod_speed@no-spam> wrote
>> Phred <ppnerkDELETETHIS@no-spam> wrote
>>> nick@no-spam (Nick Andrew) wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@no-spam> writes
> > >>> Looks very much like DoV ISDN has just passed
> > >>> its useby date. Or will in August etc, anyway.
> >
> > >> Well the guy can get a $49 iiNet ADSL connection in Bathurst
> > >> then. If the problem is price and not something physical like
> > >> distance from exchange or non-enabled exchange, it's a small
> > >> price to pay for having a pretty reliable permanent connection.
> >
> > > The ABC talk-back guru I mentioned elsewhere just now, also said
> > > this morning (that's actually *Monday* morning now :) that people
> > > can get caught with ADSL 24/7 connections because the "background"
> > > download traffic (presumably in and out) for an "always on" connection
> > > can amount to around 10MB/day, or around 300MB/month.
> >
> > Complete drivel. I did fine on Telstra's
> > 350MB plan until they increased it to 500M.
> >
> > > That's a pretty fair slug out of a basic 400/500MB
> > > monthly plan. (Or even from a 1gig plan, come to that.)
> >
> > Its not so bad with the higher limits, because someone who actually
> > needs 500MB will still end up below the limit with the 1GB plan.
> >
> > > I haven't seen this mentioned around here, so I'm wondering
> > > if that's a realistic average figure or just a very pessimistic one.
> >
> > Its a mindlessly silly number.
> >
> > > Also, I think at least some ISPs (e.g. BigPond, IIRC) don't
> > > count their housekeeping traffic as part of your allowance,
> >
> > None of them do.
> >
> > > so maybe it's a non-issue even if the amount is roughly correct.
> >
> > Yeah, there is certainly a heartbeat between the adsl
> > modem and the dslam, but it doesnt get counted.
> >
> >
>
>
Its billed.
It shows up on the new hourly breakdown.
Its clearly identified by a whole group of people.
Dunno if its the router. If it is then its more than one model and more than
one brand.
The users suspect the ISP.
Turning off modem and router is sound as they both work off plug packs.
I feel safer having as many of these off at night as possible.
And yes I have seen a melted power pack that could have caused a fire.
Greg
"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@no-spam> wrote in message
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> G Hutch <ghutch@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:aJ8Ma.131$P84.2108@no-spam
>
> > Mostly your right.
>
> Completely I'm right. As always.
>
> > However as discussed on "bigpond.broadband.tech.lans"
> > recently if you have a router that remains on after midnight
> > (ie 00-50AM) there appears to be some form of relogging
> > of accounts and other traffic causing total transfer of anywhere
> > from 1-2MB (some ahave reported more) which occurs everynight.
>
> Doesnt mean that that is included in the billed volume.
>
> > Maybe they are searching for servers??
>
> They dont care about servers. Basically because
> they charge for both uploads and downloads.
>
> > I have tried it and experienced the same rates.
> > Turning off the router but leaving the modem
> > powered on generated no billed traffic.
>
> Or maybe its your router doing it.
>
> > The router traffic experience was reported with several
> > router models. Netgear several models, Alcatel Speedtouch
> > Pro 4 Port, Linksys. I don't know if it covers the full range
> > of models. This occured on ADSL. A guy using a
> > Smoothwall box (not a router) reported the same traffic.
>
> > So there is an overhead of 30-50MB per
> > month for some bigpond ADSL users.
>
> Nothing like the original stupid claim.
>
> > Moral is turn off modem and router when not required.
>
> Pointless bothering.
>
> > Quite easy if all on one power board.
>
> Pointless bothering.
>
>
> > Rod Speed <rod_speed@no-spam> wrote
> >> Phred <ppnerkDELETETHIS@no-spam> wrote
> >>> nick@no-spam (Nick Andrew) wrote
> >>>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@no-spam> writes
>
> > > >>> Looks very much like DoV ISDN has just passed
> > > >>> its useby date. Or will in August etc, anyway.
> > >
> > > >> Well the guy can get a $49 iiNet ADSL connection in Bathurst
> > > >> then. If the problem is price and not something physical like
> > > >> distance from exchange or non-enabled exchange, it's a small
> > > >> price to pay for having a pretty reliable permanent connection.
> > >
> > > > The ABC talk-back guru I mentioned elsewhere just now, also said
> > > > this morning (that's actually *Monday* morning now :) that people
> > > > can get caught with ADSL 24/7 connections because the "background"
> > > > download traffic (presumably in and out) for an "always on"
connection
> > > > can amount to around 10MB/day, or around 300MB/month.
> > >
> > > Complete drivel. I did fine on Telstra's
> > > 350MB plan until they increased it to 500M.
> > >
> > > > That's a pretty fair slug out of a basic 400/500MB
> > > > monthly plan. (Or even from a 1gig plan, come to that.)
> > >
> > > Its not so bad with the higher limits, because someone who actually
> > > needs 500MB will still end up below the limit with the 1GB plan.
> > >
> > > > I haven't seen this mentioned around here, so I'm wondering
> > > > if that's a realistic average figure or just a very pessimistic one.
> > >
> > > Its a mindlessly silly number.
> > >
> > > > Also, I think at least some ISPs (e.g. BigPond, IIRC) don't
> > > > count their housekeeping traffic as part of your allowance,
> > >
> > > None of them do.
> > >
> > > > so maybe it's a non-issue even if the amount is roughly correct.
> > >
> > > Yeah, there is certainly a heartbeat between the adsl
> > > modem and the dslam, but it doesnt get counted.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>