AUS DVD 17 RE TWO TOWERS TIDBIT
From: "Michael" (quadhammerNO@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:57:59 +1000


"Sir Pudgie" <nice@no-spam> wrote in message news:3ef7ff0c$0$31501$5a62ac22@no-spam > > > Ok everyone, keep this in the back of your mind when you see the > > > 'Complete Series Set' with bonus features and never seen before > > > behind-the-scenes footage.
> > > It _will_ happen, why should LOTR be any different from other > > > DVD releases.
> > >
> > What else could they possibly put on there??
>
> Two words, "Alien Quadrilogy"! ;-)

Heheh, yeah, but the original Alien discs weren't anything like the LOTR ones. Even the vanilla LOTR discs out do the Alien ones. And shit, there's 9 discs taken up with just two movies with LOTR Extended; Alien has 4 movies and only 9...only 9. :)








From: jamesv23@no-spam (james)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: 24 Jun 2003 07:54:59 -0700

"Michael" <quadhammerNO@no-spam> wrote in message news:<3ef8205d$0$9666$afc38c87@no-spam>...

> "Sir Pudgie" <nice@no-spam> wrote in message > news:3ef7ff0c$0$31501$5a62ac22@no-spam > > > > Ok everyone, keep this in the back of your mind when you see the > > > > 'Complete Series Set' with bonus features and never seen before > > > > behind-the-scenes footage.
> > > > It _will_ happen, why should LOTR be any different from other > > > > DVD releases.
> > > >
> > > What else could they possibly put on there??
> >
> > Two words, "Alien Quadrilogy"! ;-)
> > Heheh, yeah, but the original Alien discs weren't anything like the LOTR > ones. Even the vanilla LOTR discs out do the Alien ones. And shit, there's > 9 discs taken up with just two movies with LOTR Extended; Alien has 4 movies > and only 9...only 9. :)

So what you are basically saying is that there really should be about a 20 disk dvd set release of the Alien franchise? That's silly! I think it's silly that we have 5 dvd's for the first LOTR movie! Come on! A 9-disc dvd box set for the Alien Quadrilogy is more than enough.


From: jamesv23@no-spam (james)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: 24 Jun 2003 08:02:03 -0700

"Michael" <quadhammerNO@no-spam> wrote in message news:<3ef8205d$0$9666$afc38c87@no-spam>...

> "Sir Pudgie" <nice@no-spam> wrote in message > news:3ef7ff0c$0$31501$5a62ac22@no-spam > > > > Ok everyone, keep this in the back of your mind when you see the > > > > 'Complete Series Set' with bonus features and never seen before > > > > behind-the-scenes footage.
> > > > It _will_ happen, why should LOTR be any different from other > > > > DVD releases.
> > > >
> > > What else could they possibly put on there??
> >
> > Two words, "Alien Quadrilogy"! ;-)
> > Heheh, yeah, but the original Alien discs weren't anything like the LOTR > ones. Even the vanilla LOTR discs out do the Alien ones. And shit, there's > 9 discs taken up with just two movies with LOTR Extended; Alien has 4 movies > and only 9...only 9. :)

So what you are basically saying is that there really should be about a 20 disk dvd set release of the Alien franchise? That's silly! I think it's silly that we have 5 dvd's for the first LOTR movie! Come on! A 9-disc dvd box set for the Alien Quadrilogy is more than enough.


From: "Luke Hooft" (luke[underscore]h@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:48:56 +0930

> What else could they possibly put on there??

The oft-rumoured (by me, just now) hardcore lesbian sex scene with Liv Tyler, Miranda Otto and Cate Blanchette, which ended up on the cutting room floor.

LH

From: "Luke Hooft" (luke[underscore]h@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:02:13 +0930

"Michael" <quadhammerNO@no-spam> wrote in message news:3ef8205d$0$9666$afc38c87@no-spam
> Heheh, yeah, but the original Alien discs weren't anything like the LOTR > ones. Even the vanilla LOTR discs out do the Alien ones. And shit,
there's > 9 discs taken up with just two movies with LOTR Extended; Alien has 4
movies > and only 9...only 9. :)

What do you mean by LOTR extended taking up 9 discs? Is that just counting FOTR and TTT? FOTR has 4 discs, I assumed TTT would too. Does it have 5 or something?

LH

From: "Memnoch" (randmtask at optushome . com . au)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:49:23 +1000

"Luke Hooft" <luke[underscore]h@no-spam> wrote in message news:bd9qt6$kqa$1@no-spam > "Michael" <quadhammerNO@no-spam> wrote in message > news:3ef8205d$0$9666$afc38c87@no-spam >
> > Heheh, yeah, but the original Alien discs weren't anything like the LOTR > > ones. Even the vanilla LOTR discs out do the Alien ones. And shit,
> there's > > 9 discs taken up with just two movies with LOTR Extended; Alien has 4
> movies > > and only 9...only 9. :)
>
> What do you mean by LOTR extended taking up 9 discs? Is that just counting > FOTR and TTT? FOTR has 4 discs, I assumed TTT would too. Does it have 5 or > something?
>
> LH
He's talking about the National Geographic Disc that was included in some releases of the 4-disc set. Its in a horrible snapper case too, not part of the FOTR packaging
Memnoch

From: "Luke Hooft" (luke[underscore]h@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:48:56 +0930

"Memnoch" <randmtask at optushome . com . au> wrote in message news:3ef872fb$0$30817$afc38c87@no-spam > He's talking about the National Geographic Disc that was included in some > releases of the 4-disc set. Its in a horrible snapper case too, not part of > the FOTR packaging
Oh, right. I haven't even watched mine yet (saw it on TV though).

Butt... snapper case? You mean the cardboard ones? Maybe the R1 Collector's Edition had the NG special in a snapper case, but the R4 had it in a normal clear plastic (amaray) case.

I still can't believe that the US and Canada still use snapper cases for some titles, actually. All my R1 Batman animated DVDs are in those shitty things, even titles released a couple of months ago. Why would they possibly still use them?

LH

Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
From: Codswallop (chunkylover53@no-spam)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:00:19 GMT

On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:47:25 GMT, Memnoch wrote in aus.dvd:

> My only gripe with the LOTR set, is that it would have been nice to > have the theatrical cut available via seamless branching since we're > paying big $$$ for it.

Would've been tough, as a lot of the cuts from one scene to another are different in the theatrical vs. extended versions... Especially the music, it was altered quite a bit for the EE.
-- - Cods
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From: "Michael" (quadhammerNO@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:35:02 +1000

Didn't you notice the smiley? Of course a 9 disc set is huge, I'm just saying the comparison between Alien & LOTR discs isn't really a good one(it was only originally said in jest anyway). It isn't a good comparison because the original Alien discs had far less on them than the original LOTR ones, let alone the extended edition ones, so there's no need for another edition of LOTR ala Alien Quadrilogy. Hope that clears it up.

"james" <jamesv23@no-spam> wrote in message news:c8e4f846.0306240654.471374c0@no-spam > So what you are basically saying is that there really should be about > a 20 disk dvd set release of the Alien franchise? That's silly! I > think it's silly that we have 5 dvd's for the first LOTR movie! Come > on! A 9-disc dvd box set for the Alien Quadrilogy is more than > enough.


From: Ian Galbraith (igalbraith@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:03:26 +1000

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:47:25 +1000, "Memnoch" <randmtask at optushome . com . au> wrote:

[snip]

>My only gripe with the LOTR set, is that it would have been nice to have the >theatrical cut available via seamless branching since we're paying big $$$
>for it.

The theatrical cut is available separately, seamless branching is never seamless, and the 4 disc set wasn't that expensive.
[snip]

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From: "Michael" (quadhammerNO@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:14:19 +1000

I reckon it's pretty seamless on the R1 Abyss. Terminator 2 too. Can't complain about the way they did LOTR though.

"Ian Galbraith" <igalbraith@no-spam> wrote in message news:r2mhfv0natcm6i7kvhmfl46io7o66jll9a@no-spam > The theatrical cut is available separately, seamless branching is > never seamless, and the 4 disc set wasn't that expensive.


From: Matthew Kirkcaldie (Matthew.Kirkcaldie@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:01:39 +1000

In article <r2mhfv0natcm6i7kvhmfl46io7o66jll9a@no-spam>,
Ian Galbraith <igalbraith@no-spam> wrote:

> The theatrical cut is available separately, seamless branching is > never seamless, and the 4 disc set wasn't that expensive.
You don't think $70 for a movie is expensive?


From: "Bob Byrne" (me@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:47:29 +1000

"John" <rangas@no-spam> wrote:

> What else could they possibly put on there??

You apparently haven't seen as many DVD extras as me :-)
While there's a dollar to be made there will be content available.

-- Bob <bbyrne@no-spam>


From: "Bob Byrne" (me@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:49:53 +1000

"h8sh8" <h8sh8@no-spam> wrote:

> How could they possibly have more extras after having the 6 hour making of > on the extended edition?

Only 6 hours out of a trilogy, a pittance.

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From: "Michael" (quadhammerNO@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:46:25 +1000

Well what DVD has more content than the extended edition of LOTR? Not too many DVDs do.

"Bob Byrne" <me@no-spam> wrote in message news:bdbk2m$qki9k$1@no-spam >
> "John" <rangas@no-spam> wrote:
> > What else could they possibly put on there??
>
> You apparently haven't seen as many DVD extras as me :-)
> While there's a dollar to be made there will be content > available.


Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:06:29 +0800
From: John (rangas@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit

Anyone could have bought a region 4 version for anywhere between $50 and $60, or a region 1 for anywhere between $30 and $40. And bear in mind that it was 4 discs, with featurettes and docos comprising one of the best making-ofs out there.

It's much more than a movie.

Matthew Kirkcaldie wrote:
> In article <r2mhfv0natcm6i7kvhmfl46io7o66jll9a@no-spam>,
> Ian Galbraith <igalbraith@no-spam> wrote:
> > >>The theatrical cut is available separately, seamless branching is >>never seamless, and the 4 disc set wasn't that expensive. > > > You don't think $70 for a movie is expensive?


From: Ian Galbraith (igalbraith@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:13:12 +1000

On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:58:20 -0700, "V01TeK" <voitek_x@no-spam>
wrote:

>> You don't think $70 for a movie is expensive?

>If you paid that, you paid too much. And it's not just for a movie - it's an >essential archival collection for true fans of the Lord of the Rings.

Yup I didn't pay that much, I paid around $50 IIRC, which for 4 disc set is not that expensive. A 4 disc set with perhaps the best set of extras seen on a DVD Special Edition.

-- Ian Galbraith Email: igalbraith@no-spam
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From: Gail Pamphilon (gail@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:44:54 +1000

Quoth "Memnoch" <randmtask at optushome . com . au>:

>My only gripe with the LOTR set, is that it would have been nice to have the >theatrical cut available via seamless branching since we're paying big $$$

Pardon my ignorance, but what does seamless branching mean?

Gail c|_|

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From: Matthew Kirkcaldie (Matthew.Kirkcaldie@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:46:31 +1000

In article <s35jfv8qahiesi113smnuraarccv7dippg@no-spam>,
Gail Pamphilon <gail@no-spam> wrote:

> Pardon my ignorance, but what does seamless branching mean?

It's a technique by which scenes can be optionally included while playing a movie, without having to put two entirely separate versions of the film onto the disc. For this particular example, seamless branching would be used to produce a disc that played the cinema release of the movie when one option was selected, but incorporated the additional scenes for the extended edition when another option was chosen. The "seamless" refers to the fact that you don't notice a break in the vision or sound when the player plays the extra material and then goes back to what it was playing before. In practice, it may or may not be seamless, according to the player.


Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
From: Codswallop (chunkylover53@no-spam)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:47:46 GMT

On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 03:44:54 GMT, Gail Pamphilon wrote in aus.dvd:

>>My only gripe with the LOTR set, is that it would have been nice to >>have the theatrical cut available via seamless branching since we're >>paying big $$$ > > Pardon my ignorance, but what does seamless branching mean?

Think of a DVD with deleted scenes available through the menus. Now think of a DVD with two options: 1) To view the movie with the deleted scenes "inserted" and 2) To watch the movie without the deleted scenes.
Now, to have two copies of the movie on the DVD would be stupid. So,
what they do is offer "branching", which has all two copies of the scenes that are different, and one copy of the scenes that are the same.

The "branching" basically picks and chooses the correct scenes in order;
the "seamless" means that ... well ... there's no seam (i.e. you don't notice it switching).
-- - Cods
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From: "Bob Byrne" (me@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:33:55 +1000

"Michael" <quadhammerNO@no-spam> wrote:

> Well what DVD has more content than the extended edition of LOTR? Not too > many DVDs do.

Precisely my point. There's more to come.

-- Bob <bbyrne@no-spam>


From: "V01TeK" (voitek_x@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:58:20 -0700

> You don't think $70 for a movie is expensive?

If you paid that, you paid too much. And it's not just for a movie - it's an essential archival collection for true fans of the Lord of the Rings.
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From: Gail Pamphilon (gail@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:17:09 +1000

Quoth Matthew Kirkcaldie <Matthew.Kirkcaldie@no-spam>:

>It's a technique by which scenes can be optionally included while >playing a movie, without having to put two entirely separate versions of >the film onto the disc. For this particular example, seamless branching >would be used to produce a disc that played the cinema release of the >movie when one option was selected, but incorporated the additional >scenes for the extended edition when another option was chosen. The
Thanks. This sounds like the future of DVDs - at least I hope so.
After watching the extended edition of FOTR, I am now completely hooked on the extra footage being included as part of the DVD movie,
instead of being included as 'deleted scenes'. It would also be fun to compare the cinema release with the extended release. It might even have been cheaper for FOTR, as Peter Jackson had to recall actors and musicians for extra work on the DVD.

Gosford Park especially would have benefited from this technique. That film was cut to ribbons, and the extra scenes explained so much! I wanted to watch it again in the light of what I now knew, but it was only a three-day hire and I had to take it back. I will probably hire it again one year from anywhere but Video Ezy - what a misnomer. That mob are nearly crooks.

>"seamless" refers to the fact that you don't notice a break in the >vision or sound when the player plays the extra material and then goes >back to what it was playing before. In practice, it may or may not be >seamless, according to the player.

My normal player is PowerDVD, so hopefully it should be all right.
We'll see what the future holds for DVDs. Can't wait. Counting down till November. :-)

Gail c|_|

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From: Matthew Kirkcaldie (Matthew.Kirkcaldie@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:33:23 +1000

In article <umulfvkdnirebqpj0op5u7cqr61onco9km@no-spam>,
Gail Pamphilon <gail@no-spam> wrote:

> Gosford Park especially would have benefited from this technique. That > film was cut to ribbons, and the extra scenes explained so much! I > wanted to watch it again in the light of what I now knew, but it was > only a three-day hire and I had to take it back. I will probably hire > it again one year from anywhere but Video Ezy - what a misnomer. That > mob are nearly crooks.

Actually, I have to say that after listening to Altman talking about his objectives in the film, I thought virtually all of those scenes were redundant!

By the way, my local Blockbuster had an ex-rental copy for $12.99 last time I looked, so have a shop around ...

MK.


From: "Bob Byrne" (me@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:55:08 +1000

"Gail Pamphilon" <gail@no-spam> wrote:

> Quoth Matthew Kirkcaldie <Matthew.Kirkcaldie@no-spam>:
>
> >It's a technique by which scenes can be optionally included while > >playing a movie, without having to put two entirely separate versions of > >the film onto the disc. ......

> Thanks. This sounds like the future of DVDs - at least I hope so.
> ....

It's already here. There's nothing difficult about it, the X-Files DVD's have been doing it since the first season. Certain scenes that were cut due to time constraints are optionally included, they are just another chapter. It might go Title 2 chapter 1,2,3,4,10,5,6,7,8,9 where 10 is the extra scene or 10 may replace 5 with a longer version and jump to 6.

-- Bob <bbyrne@no-spam>


From: "Bob Byrne" (me@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:56:59 +1000

"Michael" <quadhammerNO@no-spam> wrote:

> That makes no sense.

Don't hold me responsible for your intellect.

-- Bob <bbyrne@no-spam>


From: "Michael" (quadhammerNO@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 12:55:10 +1000

I don't, you're not rich enough to share.

"Bob Byrne" <me@no-spam> wrote in message news:bdgtce$t4hr6$1@no-spam > Don't hold me responsible for your intellect.


From: "V01TeK" (voitek_x@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Two Towers tidbit
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:40:04 -0700

> Yup I didn't pay that much, I paid around $50 IIRC, which for 4 disc > set is not that expensive. A 4 disc set with perhaps the best set of > extras seen on a DVD Special Edition.

Yep ... I paid sixty bucks AND also bought the theatrical release and don't begrudge a single penny. The extras literally had me going back for months.
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