AUS GENERAL 60 REDBAITER ADMITS DEFEAT OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE INDICATES I M WRONG
From: "Redbaiter" (don't@no-spam)
Subject: Redbaiter Admits defeat - "Overwhelming evidence indicates I'm wrong"
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 06:25:35 GMT


http://www.conceptnetworks.com.au/~jackc/screenwin.htm
"The Iraqi dictator must not be permitted to threaten America and the world with horrible poisons and diseases and gases and atomic weapons."
- George Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in a speech in Cincinnati.

There is a small somber box that appears in the New York Times every day.
Titled simply "Killed in Iraq," it lists the names and military affiliations of those who most recently died on tour of duty. Wednesday's edition listed just one name: Orenthial J. Smith, age 21, of Allendale, South Carolina.

The young late O.J. Smith was almost certainly named after the legendary running back, Orenthal J. Simpson, before that dashing American hero was charged for a double-murder. Now his namesake has died in far-off Mesopotamia in a noble mission to, as our president put it on March 19,
"disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger."

Today, more than three months after Bush's stirring declaration of war and nearly two months since he declared victory, no chemical, biological or nuclear weapons have been found, nor any documentation of their existence,
nor any sign they were deployed in the field.

The mainstream press, after an astonishing two years of cowardice, is belatedly drawing attention to the unconscionable level of administrative deception. They seem surprised to find that when it comes to Iraq, the Bush administration isn't prone to the occasional lie of expediency but, in fact,
almost never told the truth.

What follows are just the most outrageous and significant of the dozens of outright lies uttered by Bush and his top officials over the past year in what amounts to a systematic campaign to scare the bejeezus out of everybody:

LIE #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment need for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." - President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati.

FACT: This story, leaked to and breathlessly reported by Judith Miller in the New York Times, has turned out to be complete baloney. Department of Energy officials, who monitor nuclear plants, say the tubes could not be used for enriching uranium. One intelligence analyst, who was part of the tubes investigation, angrily told The New Republic that, "You had senior American officials like Condoleezza Rice saying the only use of this aluminum really is uranium centrifuges. She said that on television. And that's just a lie."

LIE #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." - President Bush,
Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.

FACT: This whopper was based on a document that the White House already knew to be a forgery thanks to the CIA. Sold to Italian intelligence by some hustler, the document carried the signature of an official who had been out of office for 10 years and referenced a constitution that was no longer in effect. The ex-ambassador who the CIA sent to check out the story is pissed:
"They knew the Niger story was a flat-out lie," he told the New Republic,
anonymously. "They [the White House] were unpersuasive about aluminum tubes and added this to make their case more strongly."

LIE #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." -
Vice President Cheney on March 16, 2003 on "Meet the Press."

FACT: There was and is absolutely zero basis for this statement. CIA reports up through 2002 showed no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons program.

LIE #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." - CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush.

FACT: Intelligence agencies knew of tentative contacts between Saddam and al-Qaeda in the early '90s, but found no proof of a continuing relationship.
In other words, by tweaking language, Tenet and Bush spun the intelligence180 degrees to say exactly the opposite of what it suggested.

LIE #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints." -
President Bush, Oct. 7.

FACT: No evidence of this has ever been leaked or produced. Colin Powell told the U.N. this alleged training took place in a camp in northern Iraq.
To his great embarrassment, the area he indicated was later revealed to be outside Iraq's control and patrolled by Allied war planes.

LIE #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs [unmanned aerial vehicles]
for missions targeting the United States." - President Bush, Oct. 7.

FACT: Said drones can't fly more than 300 miles, and Iraq is 6000 miles from the U.S. coastline. Furthermore, Iraq's drone-building program wasn't much more advanced than your average model plane enthusiast. And isn't a "manned aerial vehicle" just a scary way to say "plane"?

LIE #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and control arrangements have been established." - President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003, in a national radio address.

FACT: Despite a massive nationwide search by U.S. and British forces, there are no signs, traces or examples of chemical weapons being deployed in the field, or anywhere else during the war.

LIE #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets." - Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5 2003,
in remarks to the UN Security Council.

FACT: Putting aside the glaring fact that not one drop of this massive stockpile has been found, as previously reported on AlterNet our own intelligence reports show that these stocks - if they existed - were well past their use-by date and therefore useless as weapon fodder.

LIE #9: "We know where [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat." - Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003, in statements to the press.

FACT: Needless to say, no such weapons were found, not to the east, west,
south or north, somewhat or otherwise.

LIE #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN prohibited." - President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1, 2003.

FACT: This was reference to the discovery of two modified truck trailers that the CIA claimed were are potential mobile biological weapons lab. But British and American experts - including the State Department's intelligence wing in a report released this week - have since declared this to be untrue.
According to the British, and much to Prime Minister Tony Blair's embarrassment, the trailers are actually exactly what Iraq said they were,
facilities to fill weather balloons, sold to them by the British themselves.

So, months after the war, we are once again where we started - with plenty of rhetoric and absolutely no proof of this "grave danger" for which O.J.
Smith died. The Bush administration is now scrambling to place the blame for its lies on faulty intelligence, when in fact the intelligence was fine, it was their abuse of it which was "faulty."

Rather than apologize for leading us to a preemptive war based on impossibly faulty or shamelessly distorted "intelligence" or offering his resignation,
our sly madman in the White House is starting to sound more like that other O.J. Like the man who cheerfully played golf while promising to pursue "the real killers," Bush is now vowing to search for "the true extent of Saddam Hussein's weapons programs, no matter how long it takes."

On the terrible day of the 9/11 attacks, five hours after a hijacked plane slammed into the Pentagon, retired Gen. Wesley Clark received a strange call from someone (he didn't name names) representing the White House position:
"I was on CNN, and I got a call at my home saying, 'You got to say this is connected. This is state-sponsored terrorism. This has to be connected to Saddam Hussein,'" Clark told Meet the Press anchor Tim Russert. "I said,
'But - I'm willing to say it, but what's your evidence?' And I never got any evidence.'"

And neither did we.


From: "Maskedman" (robertho@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Redbaiter Admits defeat - "Overwhelming evidence indicates I'm wrong"
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 12:44:30 GMT

Apart from having nothing at all to do with footy, this is just all a =
heap of drug induced bullshit. I'm guessing that you are either a high =
level CIA agent, a politician, or you have a telepathic link to the =
leaders of the world, because no normal person would have the access to =
all these amazing facts you write about.=20

You are bizarre.

fruitcake
n 1: a rich cake containing dried fruit and nuts and citrus peel and so =
on =20

2: a whimsically eccentric person [syn: crackpot, crank, nut, nutcase, =
screwball, redbaiter]

"Redbaiter" <don't@no-spam> wrote in message =
news:3efd34de@no-spam
> http://www.conceptnetworks.com.au/~jackc/screenwin.htm >=20
> "The Iraqi dictator must not be permitted to threaten America and the =
world > with horrible poisons and diseases and gases and atomic weapons."
> - George Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in a speech in Cincinnati.
>=20
>=20
> There is a small somber box that appears in the New York Times every =
day.
> Titled simply "Killed in Iraq," it lists the names and military =
affiliations > of those who most recently died on tour of duty. Wednesday's edition =
listed > just one name: Orenthial J. Smith, age 21, of Allendale, South =
Carolina.
>=20
>=20
> The young late O.J. Smith was almost certainly named after the =
legendary > running back, Orenthal J. Simpson, before that dashing American hero =
was > charged for a double-murder. Now his namesake has died in far-off > Mesopotamia in a noble mission to, as our president put it on March =
19,
> "disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave =
danger."
>=20
>=20
> Today, more than three months after Bush's stirring declaration of war =
and > nearly two months since he declared victory, no chemical, biological =
or > nuclear weapons have been found, nor any documentation of their =
existence,
> nor any sign they were deployed in the field.
>=20
>=20
> The mainstream press, after an astonishing two years of cowardice, is > belatedly drawing attention to the unconscionable level of =
administrative > deception. They seem surprised to find that when it comes to Iraq, the =
Bush > administration isn't prone to the occasional lie of expediency but, in =
fact,
> almost never told the truth.
>=20
>=20
> What follows are just the most outrageous and significant of the =
dozens of > outright lies uttered by Bush and his top officials over the past year =
in > what amounts to a systematic campaign to scare the bejeezus out of > everybody:
>=20
>=20
> LIE #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its =
nuclear > weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength =
aluminum > tubes and other equipment need for gas centrifuges, which are used to =
enrich > uranium for nuclear weapons." - President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in =
Cincinnati.
>=20
>=20
> FACT: This story, leaked to and breathlessly reported by Judith Miller =
in > the New York Times, has turned out to be complete baloney. Department =
of > Energy officials, who monitor nuclear plants, say the tubes could not =
be > used for enriching uranium. One intelligence analyst, who was part of =
the > tubes investigation, angrily told The New Republic that, "You had =
senior > American officials like Condoleezza Rice saying the only use of this > aluminum really is uranium centrifuges. She said that on television. =
And > that's just a lie."
>=20
>=20
> LIE #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein =
recently > sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." - President =
Bush,
> Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.
>=20
>=20
> FACT: This whopper was based on a document that the White House =
already knew > to be a forgery thanks to the CIA. Sold to Italian intelligence by =
some > hustler, the document carried the signature of an official who had =
been out > of office for 10 years and referenced a constitution that was no =
longer in > effect. The ex-ambassador who the CIA sent to check out the story is =
pissed:
> "They knew the Niger story was a flat-out lie," he told the New =
Republic,
> anonymously. "They [the White House] were unpersuasive about aluminum =
tubes > and added this to make their case more strongly."
>=20
>=20
> LIE #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear =
weapons." -
> Vice President Cheney on March 16, 2003 on "Meet the Press."
>=20
>=20
> FACT: There was and is absolutely zero basis for this statement. CIA =
reports > up through 2002 showed no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons =
program.
>=20
>=20
> LIE #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts > between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." - CIA Director George =
Tenet > in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that =
evening's > speech by President Bush.
>=20
>=20
> FACT: Intelligence agencies knew of tentative contacts between Saddam =
and > al-Qaeda in the early '90s, but found no proof of a continuing =
relationship.
> In other words, by tweaking language, Tenet and Bush spun the > intelligence180 degrees to say exactly the opposite of what it =
suggested.
>=20
>=20
> LIE #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in =
bomb-making > and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists could allow =
the > Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints." -
> President Bush, Oct. 7.
>=20
>=20
> FACT: No evidence of this has ever been leaked or produced. Colin =
Powell > told the U.N. this alleged training took place in a camp in northern =
Iraq.
> To his great embarrassment, the area he indicated was later revealed =
to be > outside Iraq's control and patrolled by Allied war planes.
>=20
>=20
> LIE #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a > growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be =
used to > disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are =
concerned > that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs [unmanned aerial =
vehicles]
> for missions targeting the United States." - President Bush, Oct. 7.
>=20
>=20
> FACT: Said drones can't fly more than 300 miles, and Iraq is 6000 =
miles from > the U.S. coastline. Furthermore, Iraq's drone-building program wasn't =
much > more advanced than your average model plane enthusiast. And isn't a =
"manned > aerial vehicle" just a scary way to say "plane"?
>=20
>=20
> LIE #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have =
chemical > and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and that =
they're > weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and control > arrangements have been established." - President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003, =
in a > national radio address.
>=20
>=20
> FACT: Despite a massive nationwide search by U.S. and British forces, =
there > are no signs, traces or examples of chemical weapons being deployed in =
the > field, or anywhere else during the war.
>=20
>=20
> LIE #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile =
of > between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough to =
fill > 16,000 battlefield rockets." - Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5 =
2003,
> in remarks to the UN Security Council.
>=20
>=20
> FACT: Putting aside the glaring fact that not one drop of this massive > stockpile has been found, as previously reported on AlterNet our own > intelligence reports show that these stocks - if they existed - were =
well > past their use-by date and therefore useless as weapon fodder.
>=20
>=20
> LIE #9: "We know where [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around =
Tikrit > and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat." - Secretary of > Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003, in statements to the press.
>=20
>=20
> FACT: Needless to say, no such weapons were found, not to the east, =
west,
> south or north, somewhat or otherwise.
>=20
>=20
> LIE #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN > prohibited." - President Bush in remarks in Poland, published > internationally June 1, 2003.
>=20
>=20
> FACT: This was reference to the discovery of two modified truck =
trailers > that the CIA claimed were are potential mobile biological weapons lab. =
But > British and American experts - including the State Department's =
intelligence > wing in a report released this week - have since declared this to be =
untrue.
> According to the British, and much to Prime Minister Tony Blair's > embarrassment, the trailers are actually exactly what Iraq said they =
were,
> facilities to fill weather balloons, sold to them by the British =
themselves.
>=20
>=20
> So, months after the war, we are once again where we started - with =
plenty > of rhetoric and absolutely no proof of this "grave danger" for which =
O.J.
> Smith died. The Bush administration is now scrambling to place the =
blame for > its lies on faulty intelligence, when in fact the intelligence was =
fine, it > was their abuse of it which was "faulty."
>=20
>=20
> Rather than apologize for leading us to a preemptive war based on =
impossibly > faulty or shamelessly distorted "intelligence" or offering his =
resignation,
> our sly madman in the White House is starting to sound more like that =
other > O.J. Like the man who cheerfully played golf while promising to pursue =
"the > real killers," Bush is now vowing to search for "the true extent of =
Saddam > Hussein's weapons programs, no matter how long it takes."
>=20
>=20
> On the terrible day of the 9/11 attacks, five hours after a hijacked =
plane > slammed into the Pentagon, retired Gen. Wesley Clark received a =
strange call > from someone (he didn't name names) representing the White House =
position:
> "I was on CNN, and I got a call at my home saying, 'You got to say =
this is > connected. This is state-sponsored terrorism. This has to be connected =
to > Saddam Hussein,'" Clark told Meet the Press anchor Tim Russert. "I =
said,
> 'But - I'm willing to say it, but what's your evidence?' And I never =
got any > evidence.'"
>=20
>=20
> And neither did we.
>=20
>=20
>=20

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Apart from having nothing at all to do =
with footy,=20
this is just all a heap of drug induced bullshit. I'm guessing that you =
are=20
either a high level CIA agent, a politician, or you have a telepathic =
link to=20
the leaders of the world, because no normal person would have the access =
to all=20
these amazing facts you write about. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You are bizarre.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>fruitcake</STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>n 1: a rich cake containing dried fruit =
and nuts and=20
citrus peel and so on  </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2: a whimsically eccentric person [syn: =
</FONT><A=20
title=3D'Look up "crackpot"'=20
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face=3DArial=20
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title=3D'Look up "crank"'=20
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size=3D2>nutcase</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, </FONT><A=20
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face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>screwball</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, <U><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><STRONG>redbaiter</STRONG></FONT></U>]</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Redbaiter" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:don't@no-spam"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>don't@no-spam</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> wrote =
in message=20
</FONT><A href=3D"news:3efd34de@no-spam"><FONT =
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size=3D2>...</FONT></P></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.conceptnetworks.com.au/~jackc/screenwin.htm"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>http://www.conceptnetworks.com.au/~jackc/screenwin.htm</FONT></A=
><BR><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> "The Iraqi dictator must not be =
permitted to=20
threaten America and the world<BR>> with horrible poisons and =
diseases and=20
gases and atomic weapons."<BR>> - George Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in a =
speech in=20
Cincinnati.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> There is a small somber box that =
appears=20
in the New York Times every day.<BR>> Titled simply "Killed in Iraq," =
it=20
lists the names and military affiliations<BR>> of those who most =
recently=20
died on tour of duty. Wednesday's edition listed<BR>> just one name:=20
Orenthial J. Smith, age 21, of Allendale, South Carolina.<BR>> =
<BR>>=20
<BR>> The young late O.J. Smith was almost certainly named after the=20
legendary<BR>> running back, Orenthal J. Simpson, before that dashing =

American hero was<BR>> charged for a double-murder. Now his namesake =
has died=20
in far-off<BR>> Mesopotamia in a noble mission to, as our president =
put it on=20
March 19,<BR>> "disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the =
world from=20
grave danger."<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Today, more than three months =
after=20
Bush's stirring declaration of war and<BR>> nearly two months since =
he=20
declared victory, no chemical, biological or<BR>> nuclear weapons =
have been=20
found, nor any documentation of their existence,<BR>> nor any sign =
they were=20
deployed in the field.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> The mainstream press, =
after an=20
astonishing two years of cowardice, is<BR>> belatedly drawing =
attention to=20
the unconscionable level of administrative<BR>> deception. They seem=20
surprised to find that when it comes to Iraq, the Bush<BR>> =
administration=20
isn't prone to the occasional lie of expediency but, in fact,<BR>> =
almost=20
never told the truth.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> What follows are just =
the most=20
outrageous and significant of the dozens of<BR>> outright lies =
uttered by=20
Bush and his top officials over the past year in<BR>> what amounts to =
a=20
systematic campaign to scare the bejeezus out of<BR>> =
everybody:<BR>>=20
<BR>> <BR>> LIE #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is =
reconstituting=20
its nuclear<BR>> weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase=20
high-strength aluminum<BR>> tubes and other equipment need for gas=20
centrifuges, which are used to enrich<BR>> uranium for nuclear =
weapons." -=20
President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> =
FACT:=20
This story, leaked to and breathlessly reported by Judith Miller =
in<BR>> the=20
New York Times, has turned out to be complete baloney. Department =
of<BR>>=20
Energy officials, who monitor nuclear plants, say the tubes could not =
be<BR>>=20
used for enriching uranium. One intelligence analyst, who was part of=20
the<BR>> tubes investigation, angrily told The New Republic that, =
"You had=20
senior<BR>> American officials like Condoleezza Rice saying the only =
use of=20
this<BR>> aluminum really is uranium centrifuges. She said that on=20
television. And<BR>> that's just a lie."<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> =
LIE #2:=20
"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently<BR>> =
sought=20
significant quantities of uranium from Africa." - President =
Bush,<BR>>=20
Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.<BR>> <BR>> =
<BR>> FACT:=20
This whopper was based on a document that the White House already =
knew<BR>>=20
to be a forgery thanks to the CIA. Sold to Italian intelligence by =
some<BR>>=20
hustler, the document carried the signature of an official who had been=20
out<BR>> of office for 10 years and referenced a constitution that =
was no=20
longer in<BR>> effect. The ex-ambassador who the CIA sent to check =
out the=20
story is pissed:<BR>> "They knew the Niger story was a flat-out lie," =
he told=20
the New Republic,<BR>> anonymously. "They [the White House] were =
unpersuasive=20
about aluminum tubes<BR>> and added this to make their case more=20
strongly."<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> LIE #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, =
in fact,=20
reconstituted nuclear weapons." -<BR>> Vice President Cheney on March =
16,=20
2003 on "Meet the Press."<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> FACT: There was and =
is=20
absolutely zero basis for this statement. CIA reports<BR>> up through =
2002=20
showed no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons program.<BR>> <BR>> =

<BR>> LIE #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level=20
contacts<BR>> between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." - CIA =
Director=20
George Tenet<BR>> in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and =
echoed in=20
that evening's<BR>> speech by President Bush.<BR>> <BR>> =
<BR>> FACT:=20
Intelligence agencies knew of tentative contacts between Saddam =
and<BR>>=20
al-Qaeda in the early '90s, but found no proof of a continuing=20
relationship.<BR>> In other words, by tweaking language, Tenet and =
Bush spun=20
the<BR>> intelligence180 degrees to say exactly the opposite of what =
it=20
suggested.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> LIE #5: "We've learned that Iraq =
has=20
trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making<BR>> and poisons and deadly =
gases ...=20
Alliance with terrorists could allow the<BR>> Iraqi regime to attack =
America=20
without leaving any fingerprints." -<BR>> President Bush, Oct. =
7.<BR>>=20
<BR>> <BR>> FACT: No evidence of this has ever been leaked or =
produced.=20
Colin Powell<BR>> told the U.N. this alleged training took place in a =
camp in=20
northern Iraq.<BR>> To his great embarrassment, the area he indicated =
was=20
later revealed to be<BR>> outside Iraq's control and patrolled by =
Allied war=20
planes.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> LIE #6: "We have also discovered =
through=20
intelligence that Iraq has a<BR>> growing fleet of manned and =
unmanned aerial=20
vehicles that could be used to<BR>> disperse chemical or biological =
weapons=20
across broad areas. We are concerned<BR>> that Iraq is exploring ways =
of=20
using these UAVs [unmanned aerial vehicles]<BR>> for missions =
targeting the=20
United States." - President Bush, Oct. 7.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> =
FACT: Said=20
drones can't fly more than 300 miles, and Iraq is 6000 miles =
from<BR>> the=20
U.S. coastline. Furthermore, Iraq's drone-building program wasn't =
much<BR>>=20
more advanced than your average model plane enthusiast. And isn't a=20
"manned<BR>> aerial vehicle" just a scary way to say "plane"?<BR>> =

<BR>> <BR>> LIE #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months =
that they=20
have chemical<BR>> and biological weapons, and that they have =
dispersed them=20
and that they're<BR>> weaponized and that, in one case at least, the =
command=20
and control<BR>> arrangements have been established." - President =
Bush, Feb.=20
8, 2003, in a<BR>> national radio address.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> =
FACT:=20
Despite a massive nationwide search by U.S. and British forces, =
there<BR>>=20
are no signs, traces or examples of chemical weapons being deployed in=20
the<BR>> field, or anywhere else during the war.<BR>> <BR>> =
<BR>>=20
LIE #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile =
of<BR>>=20
between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough to=20
fill<BR>> 16,000 battlefield rockets." - Secretary of State Colin =
Powell,=20
Feb. 5 2003,<BR>> in remarks to the UN Security Council.<BR>> =
<BR>>=20
<BR>> FACT: Putting aside the glaring fact that not one drop of this=20
massive<BR>> stockpile has been found, as previously reported on =
AlterNet our=20
own<BR>> intelligence reports show that these stocks - if they =
existed - were=20
well<BR>> past their use-by date and therefore useless as weapon=20
fodder.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> LIE #9: "We know where [Iraq's WMD] =
are.=20
They're in the area around Tikrit<BR>> and Baghdad and east, west, =
south, and=20
north somewhat." - Secretary of<BR>> Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March =
30, 2003,=20
in statements to the press.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> FACT: Needless to =
say, no=20
such weapons were found, not to the east, west,<BR>> south or north, =
somewhat=20
or otherwise.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> LIE #10: "Yes, we found a =
biological=20
laboratory in Iraq which the UN<BR>> prohibited." - President Bush in =
remarks=20
in Poland, published<BR>> internationally June 1, 2003.<BR>> =
<BR>>=20
<BR>> FACT: This was reference to the discovery of two modified truck =

trailers<BR>> that the CIA claimed were are potential mobile =
biological=20
weapons lab. But<BR>> British and American experts - including the =
State=20
Department's intelligence<BR>> wing in a report released this week - =
have=20
since declared this to be untrue.<BR>> According to the British, and =
much to=20
Prime Minister Tony Blair's<BR>> embarrassment, the trailers are =
actually=20
exactly what Iraq said they were,<BR>> facilities to fill weather =
balloons,=20
sold to them by the British themselves.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> So, =
months=20
after the war, we are once again where we started - with plenty<BR>> =
of=20
rhetoric and absolutely no proof of this "grave danger" for which =
O.J.<BR>>=20
Smith died. The Bush administration is now scrambling to place the blame =

for<BR>> its lies on faulty intelligence, when in fact the =
intelligence was=20
fine, it<BR>> was their abuse of it which was "faulty."<BR>> =
<BR>>=20
<BR>> Rather than apologize for leading us to a preemptive war based =
on=20
impossibly<BR>> faulty or shamelessly distorted "intelligence" or =
offering=20
his resignation,<BR>> our sly madman in the White House is starting =
to sound=20
more like that other<BR>> O.J. Like the man who cheerfully played =
golf while=20
promising to pursue "the<BR>> real killers," Bush is now vowing to =
search for=20
"the true extent of Saddam<BR>> Hussein's weapons programs, no matter =
how=20
long it takes."<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On the terrible day of the =
9/11=20
attacks, five hours after a hijacked plane<BR>> slammed into the =
Pentagon,=20
retired Gen. Wesley Clark received a strange call<BR>> from someone =
(he=20
didn't name names) representing the White House position:<BR>> "I was =
on CNN,=20
and I got a call at my home saying, 'You got to say this is<BR>> =
connected.=20
This is state-sponsored terrorism. This has to be connected to<BR>> =
Saddam=20
Hussein,'" Clark told Meet the Press anchor Tim Russert. "I =
said,<BR>> 'But -=20
I'm willing to say it, but what's your evidence?' And I never got =
any<BR>>=20
evidence.'"<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> And neither did we.<BR>> =
<BR>>=20
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From: Steve (steve@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Your Make Me Sick!!!
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 00:45:01 +1200

Roo Boy Roberts allegedly said:

> I'll take a lying American over any type of Muslim any time.

Then you're stupid.
But we knew that.
I'll take an honest person over a liar - any day - and I don't care where they are from.
-- Steve

From: Redbaiter (don't@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Your Make Me Sick!!!
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:16:16 +1200

Roo Boy Roberts says...

> I hate fundamental christians just as much, I hate ALL ORGANIZED religion.
> You're wrong to hate Christians. They did so much to establish the WASP (probably you are one or the descendant of one) as one of the dominant social factions in today's world.

Religion serves a purpose, in that it establishes a moral base for any society. I'm not a religious person at all, but I give credit where it is due, and I say our society is enhanced by the presence of good Christians.

Would you rather have as a friend someone who believes in nothing?
-- Redbaiter In the leftist's lexicon, the lowest of the low