AUS RELIGION CHRISTIAN 10 ADVENTIST RESPONSE TO HIV AIDS HAS BEEN PERSECUTORY
From: "Dolf Boek" (dolf_boek@no-spam)
Subject: -- Adventist Response to HIV/AIDS has been persecutory
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:34:06 GMT


The article below gives a distorted picture, that Seventh-day Adventists in their response to HIV are a caring and compassionate Christian Community of faith. Indeed from my experience of both the disease and the organisation over the past 18 years--I've never met a more cruel, judgmental and dispassionate group of people when it comes to addressing the concerns of peoples living with HIV.

News releases from the Adventist News Agency are at times self congratulatory and belie the prophetic word of Scripture: "'Look, traitors,
and see, and be shocked--amazed--for the Lord is doing something in your time that you would not believe it if told.' [Habakkuk 1:5; Acts 13:38-42]

This passage refers to the traitors with the Man of the Lie {Philo of Alexandria's (20 BCE-50 AD) metaphysical view of the Decalogue as rather resembling the 'Heads of Laws' made use of the Pythagorean Chaldean Occulted use of Number and the Tetragrammation of YHWH as [72J] + 3(3²+1) /2 =
[72J2W1D] being 457BCE}, because they have not obeyed the words of the Teacher of Righteousness {ie. The Hebrew/Christian Apostle Paul [Acts 28:17-31]} from the mouth of God. It also refers to the traitors to the New Covenant, because they did not believe in God's covenant and desecrated His holy name; and finally, it also refers to the traitors in the Last Days.
They are the cruel Israelites who will not believe when they hear everything that is to come upon the latter generation that will be spoken by the Priest in whose heart God has put the ability to explain all the words of His servants the prophets, through whom God has foretold everything that is to come upon His people and His land." [1QpHab Col. 1.16-Col. 2.10]

And may be simply another attempt by the organisation to gain access to monetary resources to further its social agenda--I suppose one could suggest that the church can't help everyone.

But those who don't conform to the church's worldview are simply left to die!

- dolf http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html#AXIOM4

June 17, 2003 Wahroonga, New South Wales, Australia .... [Bruce Manners/ANN]

Dr. Ron Mataya, director of health for the Adventist Development and Relief Agency.

In an effort to help combat the growing threat of HIV-AIDS in the South Pacific, leaders of the Seventh-day Adventist Church in the region voted to approve a strategic framework for action as well as a commitment statement during recent mid-year meetings.

"The South Pacific region is at risk, especially the islands of Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands," says Dr. Ron Mataya, the director of health for the Adventist Development and Relief Agency (ADRA) International.

"Australia and New Zealand seem to have contained the rate of spread. Papua New Guinea reports a prevalence rate of about 1 to 2 percent, but also reports that the rate of increase is between 15 to 30 percent. Papua New Guinea has the highest prevalence rate of sexually transmitted infections,
which, together with other factors, contribute to the easy spread of HIV,"
Dr. Mataya says.

HIV/AIDS-related illnesses are currently the leading cause of death in the hospital at Port Moresby, the capital of Papua New Guinea, or PNG. Some 15,000 in that country are infected with HIV/AIDS; of those, one in four is a housewife.

HIV/AIDS in PNG is distributed equally between men and women. Ninety percent of infections come from heterosexual transmission and 8 percent from parent to child. The 15 to 34 age group is the most affected.

The commitment statement voted at the meetings recognizes that the church has failed in the past to embrace this "growing reality" and effectively prevent or diminish the impact of the disease on society and church members.

The call is for church members to address concerns "compassionately and intelligently" in their homes, places of work and worship, church schools and training institutions, and clinics and hospitals.

The commitment made is to:
. Find ways to talk about sexual behavior and the prevention of HIV/AIDS despite "cultural roadblocks."
. Work lovingly with those whose lives and relationships put them at risk from HIV/AIDS.
. Train church members to provide home-based care to all needing support in the community.
. Help parents realize their responsibility to counsel their children on sexual behavior and HIV issues.
. Work with governments and other organizations "to stamp out the stigma and discrimination associated with HIV/AIDS in all its forms."

The strategic framework suggests an epidemic of HIV/AIDS is likely in some areas of the South Pacific within the next five to 10 years. Dr.
Mataya--originally from Malawi--presented a picture of what can happen from what he has seen within Africa.

He reports: "ADRA International staff carried out an assessment of the HIV/AIDS situation in the Adventist Church in Malawi, Zambia, Botswana and Zimbabwe, and the findings were very disturbing.

"The church has lost some pastors, teachers, medical personnel, other workers and members, and yet there continues to be a disturbing denial of the problem. In some countries church income has gone down because the high-income earners have died from AIDS. Health care [two words] benefits to church employees as well as time lost due to illness continue to increase."

For Dr. Mataya, the HIV/AIDS epidemic in Africa is more than statistics--it is personal. His sister died of HIV/AIDS three years ago.

It is expected that many Adventists in the South Pacific, including Australia and New Zealand, will be affected in some way by HIV/AIDS.

All local areas and missions of the church in the South Pacific have been asked to prepare a strategic plan of action to be coordinated by a commission within each area.

The idea is to integrate and coordinate those area plans with ADRA and other church organizations and departments, and cooperation is expected with agencies outside the church.

Workshops and training programs within the church are anticipated. A process of monitoring and evaluating the effectiveness of the strategic plan will also be set up.

These decisions are important, says Dr. Mataya. "It has been demonstrated that commitment at the highest level of authority in a country or organization acts as a catalyst for behavior change as it spurs people to more action.

"The strategies will guide each union to plan according to its resources and capacity. I'm delighted by the full acknowledgment and ownership of the problem, particularly in Papua New Guinea, by church leadership, he says.

Copyright 2003 Adventist News Network .
http://www.adventist.org/news/data/2003/05/1055857550/index.html.en

From: "Dolf Boek" (dolf_boek@no-spam)
Subject: Re: -- Adventist Response to HIV/AIDS has been persecutory
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:47:57 GMT

I've recently been asked the question "Should Christians Hate Homosexuals?"
This person then suggested that the answer was an easy one. A Christian should hate no one. The Bible tells us to love others. We can despise the act performed by homosexuals but we should not hate the person.

DOLF NOTE:
This dichotomy is represented by the devotional text as a claim to Spiritual Realism presently made on the Seventh-day Adventist Church Official Website:
"But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind,
and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members."
[Romans 7:23]

Why give rise to the sin of pretension and hypocrisy which is your continual insubstantial claim to Christianity?

There is no need to even despise the act of homosexuality--because the bible is very clear and so is Jesus [Luke 17:22-30; Matthew 22:29-32; Mark 12:24-27; Luke 20:34 -38] whom you claim not only to believe, but live his Commandments: "Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin." [Romans 14:22-23]

"For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war {

To serve in a military campaign; figuratively to execute the apostolate (with its arduous duties and functions), TO CONTEND WITH CARNAL INCLINATIONS:-soldier, (go to) war (-fare)

} after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds {

ie. SUCH AS YOUR IGNORANT AND FALSE INSTITUTIONAL CLAIM TO BEING A PARTICIPANT IN GOD'S EVERLASTING COVENANT
} Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's. For though I should boast somewhat more of our authority, which the Lord hath given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed: That I may not seem as if I would terrify you by letters. For his letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible. Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such will we be also in deed when we are present." [2 Corinthians 10:3 -11]

"And the soldiers {To serve in a military campaign; figuratively to execute the apostolate (with its arduous duties and functions), TO CONTEND WITH CARNAL INCLINATIONS:-soldier, (go to) war (-fare)} likewise demanded of him,
saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man,
neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages. And as the people were in expectation, and all men mused in their hearts of John {Grace or Mercy of the Lord}, whether he were the Christ, or not." [Luke 3:14-15]

As Christianised paganism you are incapable of proving to us that your claim to Jesus is something more than a fraudulent mirage and the basis for Institutionalised vilification as unconstitutional religious and human rights violation.

Without acknowledging their dependency on Judaism as Christianity, Sunday sacred Christianity has with the reprise of Y2K, no basis in truth. And as hymeneal occultism is simply: marriage and given in marriage {ie. Mary worship} which is expressly condemned within Scripture as a violation of the Everlasting Covenant God made with Israel--The Egyptian basis to much of what today passes itself off as Christianity, is by contrast a cruel, judgmental and dispassionate deification of death!

The article below gives a distorted picture, that Seventh-day Adventists in their response to HIV are a caring and compassionate Christian Community of faith. Indeed from my experience of both the disease and the organisation over the past 18 years--I've never met a more cruel, judgmental and dispassionate group of people when it comes to addressing the concerns of peoples living with HIV.

News releases from the Adventist News Agency are at times self congratulatory and belie the prophetic word of Scripture: "'Look, traitors,
and see, and be shocked--amazed--for the Lord is doing something in your time that you would not believe it if told.' [Habakkuk 1:5; Acts 13:38-42]

This passage refers to the traitors with the Man of the Lie {Philo of Alexandria's (20 BCE-50 AD) metaphysical view of the Decalogue as rather resembling the 'Heads of Laws' made use of the Pythagorean Chaldean Occulted use of Number and the Tetragrammation of YHWH as [72J] + 3(3²+1) /2 =
[72J2W1D] being 457BCE}, because they have not obeyed the words of the Teacher of Righteousness {ie. The Hebrew/Christian Apostle Paul [Acts 28:17-31]} from the mouth of God. It also refers to the traitors to the New Covenant, because they did not believe in God's covenant and desecrated His holy name; and finally, it also refers to the traitors in the Last Days.
They are the cruel Israelites who will not believe when they hear everything that is to come upon the latter generation that will be spoken by the Priest in whose heart God has put the ability to explain all the words of His servants the prophets, through whom God has foretold everything that is to come upon His people and His land." [1QpHab Col. 1.16-Col. 2.10]

And may be simply another attempt by the organisation to gain access to monetary resources to further its social agenda--I suppose one could suggest that the church can't help everyone.

But those who don't conform to the church's worldview are simply left to die!

- dolf http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html#AXIOM4

June 17, 2003 Wahroonga, New South Wales, Australia .... [Bruce Manners/ANN]

Dr. Ron Mataya, director of health for the Adventist Development and Relief Agency.

In an effort to help combat the growing threat of HIV-AIDS in the South Pacific, leaders of the Seventh-day Adventist Church in the region voted to approve a strategic framework for action as well as a commitment statement during recent mid-year meetings.

"The South Pacific region is at risk, especially the islands of Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands," says Dr. Ron Mataya, the director of health for the Adventist Development and Relief Agency (ADRA) International.

"Australia and New Zealand seem to have contained the rate of spread. Papua New Guinea reports a prevalence rate of about 1 to 2 percent, but also reports that the rate of increase is between 15 to 30 percent. Papua New Guinea has the highest prevalence rate of sexually transmitted infections,
which, together with other factors, contribute to the easy spread of HIV,"
Dr. Mataya says.

HIV/AIDS-related illnesses are currently the leading cause of death in the hospital at Port Moresby, the capital of Papua New Guinea, or PNG. Some 15,000 in that country are infected with HIV/AIDS; of those, one in four is a housewife.

HIV/AIDS in PNG is distributed equally between men and women. Ninety percent of infections come from heterosexual transmission and 8 percent from parent to child. The 15 to 34 age group is the most affected.

The commitment statement voted at the meetings recognizes that the church has failed in the past to embrace this "growing reality" and effectively prevent or diminish the impact of the disease on society and church members.

The call is for church members to address concerns "compassionately and intelligently" in their homes, places of work and worship, church schools and training institutions, and clinics and hospitals.

The commitment made is to:
. Find ways to talk about sexual behavior and the prevention of HIV/AIDS despite "cultural roadblocks."
. Work lovingly with those whose lives and relationships put them at risk from HIV/AIDS.
. Train church members to provide home-based care to all needing support in the community.
. Help parents realize their responsibility to counsel their children on sexual behavior and HIV issues.
. Work with governments and other organizations "to stamp out the stigma and discrimination associated with HIV/AIDS in all its forms."

The strategic framework suggests an epidemic of HIV/AIDS is likely in some areas of the South Pacific within the next five to 10 years. Dr.
Mataya--originally from Malawi--presented a picture of what can happen from what he has seen within Africa.

He reports: "ADRA International staff carried out an assessment of the HIV/AIDS situation in the Adventist Church in Malawi, Zambia, Botswana and Zimbabwe, and the findings were very disturbing.

"The church has lost some pastors, teachers, medical personnel, other workers and members, and yet there continues to be a disturbing denial of the problem. In some countries church income has gone down because the high-income earners have died from AIDS. Health care [two words] benefits to church employees as well as time lost due to illness continue to increase."

For Dr. Mataya, the HIV/AIDS epidemic in Africa is more than statistics--it is personal. His sister died of HIV/AIDS three years ago.

It is expected that many Adventists in the South Pacific, including Australia and New Zealand, will be affected in some way by HIV/AIDS.

All local areas and missions of the church in the South Pacific have been asked to prepare a strategic plan of action to be coordinated by a commission within each area.

The idea is to integrate and coordinate those area plans with ADRA and other church organizations and departments, and cooperation is expected with agencies outside the church.

Workshops and training programs within the church are anticipated. A process of monitoring and evaluating the effectiveness of the strategic plan will also be set up.

These decisions are important, says Dr. Mataya. "It has been demonstrated that commitment at the highest level of authority in a country or organization acts as a catalyst for behavior change as it spurs people to more action.

"The strategies will guide each union to plan according to its resources and capacity. I'm delighted by the full acknowledgment and ownership of the problem, particularly in Papua New Guinea, by church leadership, he says.

Copyright 2003 Adventist News Network .
http://www.adventist.org/news/data/2003/05/1055857550/index.html.en

From: "Alan M" (nospam@no-spam)
Subject: Re: -- Adventist Response to HIV/AIDS has been persecutory
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:33:21 +1000

"Dolf Boek" <dolf_boek@no-spam> wrote in message news:OGWJa.1068$g_1.9222@no-spam > The article below gives a distorted picture, that Seventh-day Adventists in > their response to HIV are a caring and compassionate Christian Community of > faith. Indeed from my experience of both the disease and the organisation > over the past 18 years--I've never met a more cruel, judgmental and > dispassionate group of people when it comes to addressing the concerns of > peoples living with HIV.
>

Dolf,

Good to hear from you (I guess). I can at least understand your first paragraph, which is one better than most of your posts.

On the HIV front, you never know - medicine is improving all the time.


From: "Dolf Boek" (dolf_boek@no-spam)
Subject: Re: -- Adventist Response to HIV/AIDS has been persecutory
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:37:31 GMT

Your manifested lack of a spirtual life as the basis of your constrained comprehension, is of no further concern to me--I consider you a reprobate {ie. abandoned by YAHWEH}

There remains no further necessity for you indulge you pathological psychopathic and sychophantic tendencies as your insubstantial claim to HOLINESS any further by commenting on my discussion threads.

- dolf http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html
"Alan M" <nospam@no-spam> wrote in message news:UfiKa.1184$p8.44410@no-spam Dolf,

Good to hear from you (I guess). I can at least understand your first paragraph, which is one better than most of your posts.

On the HIV front, you never know - medicine is improving all the time.