"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@no-spam> wrote in message
news:vf8ijgeeqcp4a7@no-spam
> The scriptures have a place. However, religionists use the scriptures as a
> replacement for God. No person is able to correctly interpret nor
understand
> the scriptures unless they have been taught truth by the Living God.
Which each one says they have been taught so it goes back to what they say
then what God taught.
>
> Judgment is correct, for God desires each and every person acquire the
> ability to judge correctly. Again, no person is able judge correctly
unless
> and until they have been taught truth by the Living God.
>
> Any person possessing the truth from God, et al, is able to compare any
word
> and know if it is truth or not when the subject matter pertains to the
> matters of God.
>
> Religionists cannot understand this and have never conceived the reality
of
> being taught truth by God. It is sad because this is the only way mankind
is
> saved by God. Religionists are not saved by God regardless of how many
> scriptures, doctrines and opinions they memorize.
>
> "Knowing the truth" is the only way mankind may be set free from all the
> lies he has believed concerning the matters of God. God alone, is the
> Teacher of truth, not the books written by mankind nor any religionist.
>
> The "new testament" is merely a compilation of "testaments" of some who
had
> been taught by God. However, what was originally written was not
translated
> nor interpreted correctly, because those who did translate and interpret
did
> not possess the mind and spirit of Christ which is the creation of God
using
> truth, which comes from God alone in the Living Word directly from God.
So now you jump from the Word of God and what God taught to what some person
told you about the translation of the Bible. Very interesting, did you go
to college and learn how to translate and did you study the original text
and what we have for the scripture text today? If not, then your conclusion
is of no value and all you wrote that was good, looses its authority.
>
> I understand your good will, but you have erred in your judgment of what
has
> been posted.
As you have done here.
Raymond
>
> DW Suiter
> Son of God
>
>
>
> "Raymond O'Keeffe" <zenaroo@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:g0GIa.288$r64.11110@no-spam
> > It would appear this has all gotten out of hand brothers and sisters...
> >
> > I address this too both DW Suiter and Dore... (Greetings, peace and love
> in
> > the Holy Spirit)
> > please do not take offence and read it carefully before you reply...
> > peace... I merely speak the truth in love.
> >
> > There are lessons for us all in each thing I write to each and to both.
> :-)
> >
> > (my intentions are only kindness to uplift you both and reveal the
spirits
> > of evil effects on this situation)
> >
> > James 1:19
> > This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear,
> slow
> > to speak and slow to anger;
> > (I also remind myself - i read this thread down to here in one go,
before
> i
> > replied - God teaches us :-)
> >
> > The Word of God is Truth and Life....
> > The bible contains the Word of God surrounding various events...
> >
> > God Himself Loves us all and does not want us to fight amongst each
> other...
> > on the other hand the evil spirits do want us to fight amongst each
other
> >
> > Be careful of the newsgroups for there are many distractions which rob
us
> of
> > the Spiritual peace we have in God...
> > (in other words it is too easy to get side tracked into arguments, it is
> > also easy to become a smart ass, which is not Godly)
> >
> > Be careful not take on a spirit of criticism or judgement... criticise
and
> > judge not and you will not be criticised and judged... tho in here it is
> > open to much judgment from others :-p
> >
> > They will know you are my disciples because of your love one for
> another...
> > (JC)
> >
> > For when we seek our own Glory or points, we step out of the Holy
Spirits
> > intentions, for all Glory is ultimately Gods.
> >
> > Dear DW Suiter... how do you know the Scriptures unless you have read
> them?
> > and these have brought you closer to God, but without them what did you
> > have?
> > What I mean to say is how did you come to know God in the first place
and
> of
> > His Grace and so on?
> > Obviously you see the imperfections of men and their doctrines...(of
this
> I
> > do not dispute)
> > But be careful not to judge others with labels... the world does this,
ie
> > calling someone a fool effects their self image and can damage them for
> > life, especially children who absorb things very easily
> >
> > Life and death are in the power of the tongue... does the same fountain
> pour
> > out both pure water and bitter water?
> >
> > What you have said seemed peaceful to me in the Holy Spirit, until you
> > started bashing Dore...
> > for you took out of context what she said... as she was paraphrasing the
> > scriptures you quoted when Jesus said to those around Him that they
> searched
> > the scriptures and they tell of me...
> > She did however fail to put quotes...lol... just one of those things I
> > guess...
> >
> > Remember we can get drawn in to doing evil in our words... if we let the
> > evil ones trick us into arguments.. (peace to all)
> >
> > Dearest Dore... the scriptures bring us closer to God... and we then
> realise
> > the anointing by the Spirit of Truth, which leads us into truth... as
> > Apostle Paul writes in the theme that the law was imperfect for men, and
> > showed us that we are imperfect and unable to keep the whole law... and
> > showed us our need for a New Covenant... Indeed I say here that the only
> way
> > is union with the Holy Spirit, and it is only in Union with the Holy
> Spirit
> > that we are kept righteous.... For the gift of God is salvation by faith
> in
> > Him, and the sacrifice of Jesus... that none can boast... for God does
it
> > all, He cleans us and makes us righteous and God keeps us all...
providing
> > we stay one with Him and do not step out of Him.
> >
> > Remember Abraham... Abraham believed God and it was reckoned to him as
> > righteousness...
> > Remember Adam... Adam was deceived by the serpent to doubt God's
> intentions,
> > and to believe the deceiver over the Word of God... that was his first
> > mistake before he took of the fruit... He separated himself from the
> > protection of the the Word of God which is truth and life... and as such
> we
> > all suffered, still in his loins so to speak.
> >
> > About the 1111 from your web site... be careful my sister, for we all
are
> > one with God.... by faith, in the perfect work He is doing in all of
us...
> > we who are the sons of God... are anointed... we are none higher than
the
> > other, as we all are obedient servants of the Most High and Holy God,
the
> > Creator. If we exalt ourselves, (as Lucifer did) we step out of God and
> > become puffed up... As obedient servants, we are part of God, indeed as
> sons
> > of God, we become Gods!!!! That is all of us who keep in Him, and in
> keeping
> > in Him we are ONE, and we obey His commandments, and we walk by the
> Spirit.
> >
> > So please take this all as a lesson every one of you and I myself, for I
> too
> > have been caught up in disputes... and turn back to your first Love, the
> > Almighty God, and the Union with Him through the Holy Spirit which
abides
> in
> > us, through the Holy Sacrifice of Jesus, the lamb which was slain for
all
> of
> > us... we are all brothers and sisters in God... and seated with Him in
> > Heavenly Places on thrones with Him.
> >
> > Remember if we get angry with our brother we are guilty of murder... If
we
> > say you fool, we are guilty enough to go to hellfire?
> >
> > I say these things just to remind you not to get off track... for the
evil
> > one and his forces are all out to cause havoc, and they look for
> weaknesses
> > to rob us from our peace, and trick us into doing things which are not
> > Godly... They put doubts and fears into our minds, to try and separate
us
> > from the Union with God.... and those who are in union with God, learn
to
> > recognise these testings/temptings and cast down these thoughts and
adhere
> > to the Word of God.
> >
> > One last-ish note ;-) ... Jesus said He did not come to judge, that day
is
> > at the end (2nd coming)... He did however say, if He does Judge His
> judgment
> > is true... Let us follow this example... we are not to judge.... we are
to
> > Love one another, for they who are one with God, love, because God is
> love.
> > Remember the note on reproof, in the spirit of gentleness... and from
> > proverbs... a gentle answer turns away wrath. (THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF
US -
> > YES THE SANDBAGGERS TOO :-)
> >
> > So let us refrain from self righteousness, for such is not of God... We
> are
> > only righteous by HIM, through HIM and when we continually Abide in
HIM...
> > as soon as we take credit, we have missed the point, and then we compare
> > ourselves to others and again fall away from the union with Him... Now
be
> > honest with yourselves, and once again be rid of all the things which
are
> > ungodly and maintain our union within Him...
> >
> > So just to finish Dore... 11:11 is All of us, not just you my sister...
I
> > too see this often on the clock. This is a time of the revealing of the
> Sons
> > of God... and there is a spiritual battle going on... Note 11 is the
> chapter
> > in Revelation of the 2 witnesses... I believe this to be the Jews and
the
> > Gentiles which know their God and take action Daniel 11:32-35)
> >
> > (PS the white house blew up my pc, and I live in Australia, so dont
write
> to
> > them... ;-) I wrote an email to the white house... and sent copies to
New
> > York times and Washington Post, figuring to make them behave themselves
> with
> > all these "Terrorist Alerts" taking the peace from us (doing the
terrorist
> > job for them - a perceived threat is as bad as the real thing, perhaps
> even
> > worse for it doesn't end), even here in Australia... within the next 12
> > hours I had received 4 emails with trojan viruses, and within 2 days,
> there
> > was line work in my street (which I saw two tents up), my computer lost
> both
> > hard drives and the modem before their work was done... The line owners
> > (Telstra) had no record of it... and they said all work needs a work
> order
> > first... (of course they didnt admit liability) so with computers,
anyone
> in
> > the know can forge a work order without the contractors being aware of
> it.)
> > (note I did this before I was rekindled with the Holy Spirit, now I do
not
> > fear terrorists.)
> >
> > Finally, each is at a different level in their growth... and if we get
> > caught up in arguments, we show we still need to grow a lot more... we
all
> > Agree that the Word of God is the Truth... and each parable has its
> > lessons... as does life and the life experiences of others... Even
Apostle
> > Paul said he was put to shame by his reactions at times... we all need
to
> be
> > aware of our buttons being pushed... and learn from it and grow so that
we
> > no longer react. (reactions are the works from the fallen world)
> >
> > Note: if you are angry at me, you need to calm down and seek the Lord,
and
> > re-read this and be uplifted.
> >
> > I am only a man, who by the Grace of God has been made Holy in Him...
else
> I
> > would be still a sinner...
> > To try on my own efforts to remain sinless is an impossible task... It
is
> > only by continually abiding in Him that He keeps me from habitual sin...
> > though at times I stumble (seems mostly in here in disputes) I am quick
to
> > repent and rejoin with Him.
> >
> > If we respond with emotional reactions, we are not being used of the
Holy
> > Spirit.... its the other kingdom (satan)...
> >
> > Though we can have a sense of humour, without mocking... and maintain
the
> > joy in the Holy Spirit... Amen.
> >
> > As you can see I too know Him and have His Holy Spirit abiding in me :-)
> > (this has taken over an hour to type and edit (less haste less waste) -
> and
> > I type at 60wpm)
> >
> > My memory is not the best for Scriptures, but my heart drinks in the
> > Spiritual Edification and meaning thereof.
> > (though I seem to remember enough when I need to, when the Spirit leads,
> to
> > search for keywords online :-)
> >
> > --
> > Love and Peace and Joy in the Holy Spirit
> >
> > One of a Great Multitude of Sons of God
> > Ray Michael O'Keeffe
> > A Watchman of the End
> >
> >
> >
>
>
you wrote.
> What causes a lot of anguish, is to see people like Dore who truly loves
all
> she knows about God yet doesn't see or understand what she knows has come
> from the religions of mankind.
How many times do I have to tell you, Don, that what I know comes from the
Holy Spirit of truth, and the Father Himself. The Bible is NOT a religion of
mankind. It is a book of compilation of letters, books, scripts,
testimonies, and experiences of people who KNEW GOD, some heard Him speak to
them and give them information, knowledge, truths, wisdom and prophecies to
write down a for all mankind to consider. I don't follow religions of
mankind, I follow the truths of God provided in those testimonies, as well
as what the Spirit and Father have taught me themselves, sometimes according
to THOSE truths and ways that God has interacted and REVEALED to those who
wrote the scriptures. In fact, you may have noticed how often I rebuke,
chastise, condemn and admonish the religions of mankind that have distorted
the truths of God, even your own opinions, concepts and lies that you have
imagined in your own heart. Just because I appreciate the Bible for exactly
what it is, does NOT mean I follow or know ANYTHING from the "religions" of
mankind for I discern ALL of the words contained therein with righteousness.
you wrote.
> These people need to be set free and there is no other way other than the
> way taught by Jesus of Nazareth which is to know the truth concerning the
> matters of God. This "knowing" is not to know religious teachings or
> scripture. It is to receive and gain knowledge directly from the Living
God
> as any son is taught and raised up by parents.
>
How many times do I have to tell you that you cannot KNOW anything from the
LIVING GOD until you have OBEYED ALL of His commands, demands and
requirements that HE PROVIDED through His ancient chosen? You cannot receive
the Holy Spirit of truth, until you have walked in the ways that CHRIST has
set down and taught. In fact that was the main purpose of His coming, to
teach the truths of God for man to seek, consider and OBEY so that when
they have repented of all sin, are pure, holy and righteous, and have
forsaken ALL things of the earth, they enter into the kingdom of God in
spirit and truth and then the Holy Spirit comes and guides them into ALL
truths. For NO ONE with ANY INIQUITY can come into the presence of the
Living God and thus you don't KNOW what God considers sin and iniquity until
you seek, study and understand and then REPENT of those sins, that were
given by knowledge and information in the scriptures, and then discipline
yourself to remove all iniquity so that you can enter into the kingdom and
be ONE with the Father and the Son. You also must learn ALL righteousness of
God, by SEEKING it, also provided in the scriptures for knowledge and
information to be able to discern what is from God and what is from the
devil. WITHOUT that information provided in the scriptures, you will be lead
by evil spirits, because you have NOT attained the righteousness of God
through being obedient to His commands, demands and requirements that He set
down in the Bible. If you are still in sin, being disobedient to Christ,
then your father is the devil, and that is who is raising you when YOU have
NOT the knowledge, wisdom, truths and information provided through the
scriptures. You wouldn't KNOW what Jesus of Nazareth taught unless you
studied and read it in the Bible, so why are you constantly defaming it?
you wrote.
> Dore has had a very difficult life. What I say to her, I say in the love
of
> God and in good will.
Of course, so would all you truly abide and live in the Will of God,
especially since this world is so full of evil and wickedness, which causes
the suffering of the righteous. And as difficult as my life has been, it
also has been taken to the opposite extreme in wonderfulness and treasures
with the gifts and rewards of the Spirit, because of My obedience and
faithfulness.
--
Dore
"Honor, Obey, Worship and Respect the Father, for then the Son will be
pleased"
Ps 2:12
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his
wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in
him.
(KJV)
http://dorewilliamson.com/
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@no-spam> wrote in message
news:vf8havtj64j92b@no-spam
> Which is also my will. I am glad you see I am not condemning Dore, but
> attempting to open her eyes to reality.
>
> What causes a lot of anguish, is to see people like Dore who truly loves
all
> she knows about God yet doesn't see or understand what she knows has come
> from the religions of mankind.
>
> These people need to be set free and there is no other way other than the
> way taught by Jesus of Nazareth which is to know the truth concerning the
> matters of God. This "knowing" is not to know religious teachings or
> scripture. It is to receive and gain knowledge directly from the Living
God
> as any son is taught and raised up by parents.
>
> Dore has had a very difficult life. What I say to her, I say in the love
of
> God and in good will.
>
> DW Suiter
> Son of God
>
> <cameswalk77@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:3ce65247.0306200618.512e5384@no-spam
> > If the words you typed to Dore doesn't turn a "light" (of course,
> > Jesus is the Light of the world), I don't know what else will. A true
> > believer is able to receive correction for brothers and sisters. I
> > pray the words you shared are able to touch her heart.
> >
> > "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:<vf4s43mth5g931@no-spam>...
> > > "Dore" <spiritfire@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > news:d%qIa.7680$a87.2614@no-spam
> > >
> > > (Clipped unnecessary repetitiveness)
> > >
> > > Dore, by your own mouth you profess your faith and honor in scriptures
> of
> > > man, and not God. You use these as your "authority" as all other
> > > religionists do. Because you do not know God you do not the reality of
> > > "throwing stones" which is what you do when you quote scripture.
> > >
> > > If the deceived, such as yourself, knew you were deceived, you would
no
> > > longer be deceived. However, you are totally unaware you have been
> deceived.
> > >
> > > My authority is the Living Word the Living God has inscribed in my
mind.
> > > This Word is not found in your scriptures for the scriptures of man
can
> > > never contain God nor reveal what God alone reveals in His Living
Word;
> the
> > > Word that proceeds forth from His mouth to the Son.
> > >
> > > You cannot conceive this reality of God His promise for you do not
know
> nor
> > > understand what the promise of God is for you have relied on false
> religious
> > > teachings and doctrines for your knowledge and understanding.
> > >
> > > I suggest you seek the Living God and His Living Word as all Sons of
God
> > > have done. These, the Sons of God of which I am, have received the
> greater
> > > gifts from God which are; knowledge, understanding and wisdom, and the
> mind
> > > of Christ.
> > >
> > > Come out of religion Dore and seek God.
> > >
> > > DW Suiter
> > > Son of God
>
>
Dore wrote:
> you wrote.
> > "[Y]ou wrote" provides no information whatsoever. It's useless.
> > One doesn't know to whom you are responding. Your software
> > should put the correct attribution there for you. What you need to
> > do is leave it alone. Some people take a long time to master this.
>
> Obviously, as with this illustration, I am responding to the person who made
> the statements that follow "you wrote".
That is what the indenting (">") is for.
> If someone doesn't recognize what
> they said, then who has the problem?
This is Usenet, not an email service. It is not only received by the person
to whom you are responding; it is public domain. The post is actually
to a newsgroup, not just a person. The person in question might recognize
his words but without going back through the posts, others won't. There
is no reason for you to assume that everyone will start reading a thread
from the same point.
Just say several people in a thread agree with your logic and attribute
authorship as "you". "You" would say something; "you" would reply;
"you" would come in and disagree with "you" and "you", and then you
would come in and agree with "you".
Apart from that, when you quote someone on Usenet, you are actually
publishing bits of their writing. Therefore, attributing the authorship, is not
only polite, it is demanded. Quoting people without identifying the source
is just bad form.
<http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/quote.html>
~ Be accurate with your attributions. That is in displaying who said
~ what. In particular, if for the flow of the text you have to quote
~ text that already is quoted, it may become quite difficult to get
~ it right who actually said what. Be very careful not to indicate that
~ someone said what in fact was written by someone else. [Prof.
~ Timo Salmi]
> And if you are reading it from a
> different standpoint, then my stating "you wrote" provides the information
> and concept that I am responding to.
As I said the indenting already does that and the attribution that you snip
- for some unknown reason - does a whole lot more.
I suggest you also read, "Preserve Attributions Appropriately":
<http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2000/06/14/quoting#3>
> All one has to do is pay attention.
What a ridiculous attitude. It sounds like if someone decides to read one of
your posts, that person is obliged to have not only read the one prior to it,
but also remember whom it was from. Days may pass and the original post
may have dropped off. Hundreds of posts may have been read in between.
Even if the post is still there it may be physically along way from your reply
in the listing.
> It really is simple.
You are being 'simply' ridiculous. There is a glaring omission in your post.
You have not even attempted to provide any reason why "you" is better
than the the author's name. Your software is smart and provides that
name for you in in your reply. You need to explain why you remove it
and replace it with an uninformative redundancy. I have provided
reasons why leaving the attribution is proper and better.
> What matters is what was said, NOT so much who wrote it.
Then I guess it doesn't matter to you that the Bible is the work of
mere men.
<snip>
Best Regards,
Sean McHugh
dore: please explain to me how is it that you, part of the godhead can
forget some of your statement? either you are flawed or God is flawed. i
think the former.
"Dore" <spiritfire@no-spam> wrote in message
news:96NJa.10432$Or.4305@no-spam
> you wrote.
>
> > What causes a lot of anguish, is to see people like Dore who truly loves
> all
> > she knows about God yet doesn't see or understand what she knows has
come
> > from the religions of mankind.
>
> How many times do I have to tell you, Don, that what I know comes from the
> Holy Spirit of truth, and the Father Himself. The Bible is NOT a religion
of
> mankind. It is a book of compilation of letters, books, scripts,
> testimonies, and experiences of people who KNEW GOD, some heard Him speak
to
> them and give them information, knowledge, truths, wisdom and prophecies
to
> write down a for all mankind to consider. I don't follow religions of
> mankind, I follow the truths of God provided in those testimonies, as well
> as what the Spirit and Father have taught me themselves, sometimes
according
> to THOSE truths and ways that God has interacted and REVEALED to those who
> wrote the scriptures. In fact, you may have noticed how often I rebuke,
> chastise, condemn and admonish the religions of mankind that have
distorted
> the truths of God, even your own opinions, concepts and lies that you have
> imagined in your own heart. Just because I appreciate the Bible for
exactly
> what it is, does NOT mean I follow or know ANYTHING from the "religions"
of
> mankind for I discern ALL of the words contained therein with
righteousness.
>
> you wrote.
> > These people need to be set free and there is no other way other than
the
> > way taught by Jesus of Nazareth which is to know the truth concerning
the
> > matters of God. This "knowing" is not to know religious teachings or
> > scripture. It is to receive and gain knowledge directly from the Living
> God
> > as any son is taught and raised up by parents.
> >
>
> How many times do I have to tell you that you cannot KNOW anything from
the
> LIVING GOD until you have OBEYED ALL of His commands, demands and
> requirements that HE PROVIDED through His ancient chosen? You cannot
receive
> the Holy Spirit of truth, until you have walked in the ways that CHRIST
has
> set down and taught. In fact that was the main purpose of His coming, to
> teach the truths of God for man to seek, consider and OBEY so that when
> they have repented of all sin, are pure, holy and righteous, and have
> forsaken ALL things of the earth, they enter into the kingdom of God in
> spirit and truth and then the Holy Spirit comes and guides them into ALL
> truths. For NO ONE with ANY INIQUITY can come into the presence of the
> Living God and thus you don't KNOW what God considers sin and iniquity
until
> you seek, study and understand and then REPENT of those sins, that were
> given by knowledge and information in the scriptures, and then discipline
> yourself to remove all iniquity so that you can enter into the kingdom and
> be ONE with the Father and the Son. You also must learn ALL righteousness
of
> God, by SEEKING it, also provided in the scriptures for knowledge and
> information to be able to discern what is from God and what is from the
> devil. WITHOUT that information provided in the scriptures, you will be
lead
> by evil spirits, because you have NOT attained the righteousness of God
> through being obedient to His commands, demands and requirements that He
set
> down in the Bible. If you are still in sin, being disobedient to Christ,
> then your father is the devil, and that is who is raising you when YOU
have
> NOT the knowledge, wisdom, truths and information provided through the
> scriptures. You wouldn't KNOW what Jesus of Nazareth taught unless you
> studied and read it in the Bible, so why are you constantly defaming it?
>
> you wrote.
> > Dore has had a very difficult life. What I say to her, I say in the love
> of
> > God and in good will.
>
> Of course, so would all you truly abide and live in the Will of God,
> especially since this world is so full of evil and wickedness, which
causes
> the suffering of the righteous. And as difficult as my life has been, it
> also has been taken to the opposite extreme in wonderfulness and treasures
> with the gifts and rewards of the Spirit, because of My obedience and
> faithfulness.
>
> --
> Dore
>
> "Honor, Obey, Worship and Respect the Father, for then the Son will be
> pleased"
>
> Ps 2:12
> 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his
> wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust
in
> him.
> (KJV)
>
> http://dorewilliamson.com/
>
>
>
> "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:vf8havtj64j92b@no-spam
> > Which is also my will. I am glad you see I am not condemning Dore, but
> > attempting to open her eyes to reality.
> >
> > What causes a lot of anguish, is to see people like Dore who truly loves
> all
> > she knows about God yet doesn't see or understand what she knows has
come
> > from the religions of mankind.
> >
> > These people need to be set free and there is no other way other than
the
> > way taught by Jesus of Nazareth which is to know the truth concerning
the
> > matters of God. This "knowing" is not to know religious teachings or
> > scripture. It is to receive and gain knowledge directly from the Living
> God
> > as any son is taught and raised up by parents.
> >
> > Dore has had a very difficult life. What I say to her, I say in the love
> of
> > God and in good will.
> >
> > DW Suiter
> > Son of God
> >
> > <cameswalk77@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:3ce65247.0306200618.512e5384@no-spam
> > > If the words you typed to Dore doesn't turn a "light" (of course,
> > > Jesus is the Light of the world), I don't know what else will. A true
> > > believer is able to receive correction for brothers and sisters. I
> > > pray the words you shared are able to touch her heart.
> > >
> > > "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:<vf4s43mth5g931@no-spam>...
> > > > "Dore" <spiritfire@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > > news:d%qIa.7680$a87.2614@no-spam
> > > >
> > > > (Clipped unnecessary repetitiveness)
> > > >
> > > > Dore, by your own mouth you profess your faith and honor in
scriptures
> > of
> > > > man, and not God. You use these as your "authority" as all other
> > > > religionists do. Because you do not know God you do not the reality
of
> > > > "throwing stones" which is what you do when you quote scripture.
> > > >
> > > > If the deceived, such as yourself, knew you were deceived, you would
> no
> > > > longer be deceived. However, you are totally unaware you have been
> > deceived.
> > > >
> > > > My authority is the Living Word the Living God has inscribed in my
> mind.
> > > > This Word is not found in your scriptures for the scriptures of man
> can
> > > > never contain God nor reveal what God alone reveals in His Living
> Word;
> > the
> > > > Word that proceeds forth from His mouth to the Son.
> > > >
> > > > You cannot conceive this reality of God His promise for you do not
> know
> > nor
> > > > understand what the promise of God is for you have relied on false
> > religious
> > > > teachings and doctrines for your knowledge and understanding.
> > > >
> > > > I suggest you seek the Living God and His Living Word as all Sons of
> God
> > > > have done. These, the Sons of God of which I am, have received the
> > greater
> > > > gifts from God which are; knowledge, understanding and wisdom, and
the
> > mind
> > > > of Christ.
> > > >
> > > > Come out of religion Dore and seek God.
> > > >
> > > > DW Suiter
> > > > Son of God
> >
> >
>
>
so the messages you tell of in your webpage are "minor details",
"irrelevent" and "a waste of time"?
"Dore" <spiritfire@no-spam> wrote in message
news:sjpKa.12913$8n3.2966@no-spam
>
> "Reverend_Ron" <rchampoux@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:ltVJa.231348$VP.48753520@no-spam
>
> > dore: please explain to me how is it that you, part of the godhead can
> > forget some of your statement? either you are flawed or God is flawed. i
> > think the former.
>
> As I said, I don't CHOOSE to remember things that are meaningless,
> irrelevant or a waste of time. Minor details of something is not necessary
> to be remembered. It has nothing to do with flaw, it has to do with what
is
> important and what isn't.
>
>
> --
> Dore
>
> "Honor, Obey, Worship and Respect the Father, for then the Son will be
> pleased"
>
> Ps 2:12
> 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his
> wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust
in
> him.
> (KJV)
>
> http://dorewilliamson.com/
>
>
>
> "Reverend_Ron" <rchampoux@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:ltVJa.231348$VP.48753520@no-spam
> > dore: please explain to me how is it that you, part of the godhead can
> > forget some of your statement? either you are flawed or God is flawed. i
> > think the former.
> > "Dore" <spiritfire@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:96NJa.10432$Or.4305@no-spam
> > > you wrote.
> > >
> > > > What causes a lot of anguish, is to see people like Dore who truly
> loves
> > > all
> > > > she knows about God yet doesn't see or understand what she knows has
> > come
> > > > from the religions of mankind.
> > >
> > > How many times do I have to tell you, Don, that what I know comes from
> the
> > > Holy Spirit of truth, and the Father Himself. The Bible is NOT a
> religion
> > of
> > > mankind. It is a book of compilation of letters, books, scripts,
> > > testimonies, and experiences of people who KNEW GOD, some heard Him
> speak
> > to
> > > them and give them information, knowledge, truths, wisdom and
prophecies
> > to
> > > write down a for all mankind to consider. I don't follow religions of
> > > mankind, I follow the truths of God provided in those testimonies, as
> well
> > > as what the Spirit and Father have taught me themselves, sometimes
> > according
> > > to THOSE truths and ways that God has interacted and REVEALED to those
> who
> > > wrote the scriptures. In fact, you may have noticed how often I
rebuke,
> > > chastise, condemn and admonish the religions of mankind that have
> > distorted
> > > the truths of God, even your own opinions, concepts and lies that you
> have
> > > imagined in your own heart. Just because I appreciate the Bible for
> > exactly
> > > what it is, does NOT mean I follow or know ANYTHING from the
"religions"
> > of
> > > mankind for I discern ALL of the words contained therein with
> > righteousness.
> > >
> > > you wrote.
> > > > These people need to be set free and there is no other way other
than
> > the
> > > > way taught by Jesus of Nazareth which is to know the truth
concerning
> > the
> > > > matters of God. This "knowing" is not to know religious teachings or
> > > > scripture. It is to receive and gain knowledge directly from the
> Living
> > > God
> > > > as any son is taught and raised up by parents.
> > > >
> > >
> > > How many times do I have to tell you that you cannot KNOW anything
from
> > the
> > > LIVING GOD until you have OBEYED ALL of His commands, demands and
> > > requirements that HE PROVIDED through His ancient chosen? You cannot
> > receive
> > > the Holy Spirit of truth, until you have walked in the ways that
CHRIST
> > has
> > > set down and taught. In fact that was the main purpose of His coming,
to
> > > teach the truths of God for man to seek, consider and OBEY so that
when
> > > they have repented of all sin, are pure, holy and righteous, and have
> > > forsaken ALL things of the earth, they enter into the kingdom of God
in
> > > spirit and truth and then the Holy Spirit comes and guides them into
ALL
> > > truths. For NO ONE with ANY INIQUITY can come into the presence of the
> > > Living God and thus you don't KNOW what God considers sin and iniquity
> > until
> > > you seek, study and understand and then REPENT of those sins, that
were
> > > given by knowledge and information in the scriptures, and then
> discipline
> > > yourself to remove all iniquity so that you can enter into the kingdom
> and
> > > be ONE with the Father and the Son. You also must learn ALL
> righteousness
> > of
> > > God, by SEEKING it, also provided in the scriptures for knowledge and
> > > information to be able to discern what is from God and what is from
the
> > > devil. WITHOUT that information provided in the scriptures, you will
be
> > lead
> > > by evil spirits, because you have NOT attained the righteousness of
God
> > > through being obedient to His commands, demands and requirements that
He
> > set
> > > down in the Bible. If you are still in sin, being disobedient to
Christ,
> > > then your father is the devil, and that is who is raising you when YOU
> > have
> > > NOT the knowledge, wisdom, truths and information provided through the
> > > scriptures. You wouldn't KNOW what Jesus of Nazareth taught unless you
> > > studied and read it in the Bible, so why are you constantly defaming
it?
> > >
> > > you wrote.
> > > > Dore has had a very difficult life. What I say to her, I say in the
> love
> > > of
> > > > God and in good will.
> > >
> > > Of course, so would all you truly abide and live in the Will of God,
> > > especially since this world is so full of evil and wickedness, which
> > causes
> > > the suffering of the righteous. And as difficult as my life has been,
it
> > > also has been taken to the opposite extreme in wonderfulness and
> treasures
> > > with the gifts and rewards of the Spirit, because of My obedience and
> > > faithfulness.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dore
> > >
> > > "Honor, Obey, Worship and Respect the Father, for then the Son will be
> > > pleased"
> > >
> > > Ps 2:12
> > > 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when
his
> > > wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their
trust
> > in
> > > him.
> > > (KJV)
> > >
> > > http://dorewilliamson.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > news:vf8havtj64j92b@no-spam
> > > > Which is also my will. I am glad you see I am not condemning Dore,
but
> > > > attempting to open her eyes to reality.
> > > >
> > > > What causes a lot of anguish, is to see people like Dore who truly
> loves
> > > all
> > > > she knows about God yet doesn't see or understand what she knows has
> > come
> > > > from the religions of mankind.
> > > >
> > > > These people need to be set free and there is no other way other
than
> > the
> > > > way taught by Jesus of Nazareth which is to know the truth
concerning
> > the
> > > > matters of God. This "knowing" is not to know religious teachings or
> > > > scripture. It is to receive and gain knowledge directly from the
> Living
> > > God
> > > > as any son is taught and raised up by parents.
> > > >
> > > > Dore has had a very difficult life. What I say to her, I say in the
> love
> > > of
> > > > God and in good will.
> > > >
> > > > DW Suiter
> > > > Son of God
> > > >
> > > > <cameswalk77@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > > news:3ce65247.0306200618.512e5384@no-spam
> > > > > If the words you typed to Dore doesn't turn a "light" (of course,
> > > > > Jesus is the Light of the world), I don't know what else will. A
> true
> > > > > believer is able to receive correction for brothers and sisters. I
> > > > > pray the words you shared are able to touch her heart.
> > > > >
> > > > > "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > > news:<vf4s43mth5g931@no-spam>...
> > > > > > "Dore" <spiritfire@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:d%qIa.7680$a87.2614@no-spam
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (Clipped unnecessary repetitiveness)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dore, by your own mouth you profess your faith and honor in
> > scriptures
> > > > of
> > > > > > man, and not God. You use these as your "authority" as all other
> > > > > > religionists do. Because you do not know God you do not the
> reality
> > of
> > > > > > "throwing stones" which is what you do when you quote scripture.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If the deceived, such as yourself, knew you were deceived, you
> would
> > > no
> > > > > > longer be deceived. However, you are totally unaware you have
been
> > > > deceived.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My authority is the Living Word the Living God has inscribed in
my
> > > mind.
> > > > > > This Word is not found in your scriptures for the scriptures of
> man
> > > can
> > > > > > never contain God nor reveal what God alone reveals in His
Living
> > > Word;
> > > > the
> > > > > > Word that proceeds forth from His mouth to the Son.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You cannot conceive this reality of God His promise for you do
not
> > > know
> > > > nor
> > > > > > understand what the promise of God is for you have relied on
false
> > > > religious
> > > > > > teachings and doctrines for your knowledge and understanding.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I suggest you seek the Living God and His Living Word as all
Sons
> of
> > > God
> > > > > > have done. These, the Sons of God of which I am, have received
the
> > > > greater
> > > > > > gifts from God which are; knowledge, understanding and wisdom,
and
> > the
> > > > mind
> > > > > > of Christ.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Come out of religion Dore and seek God.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DW Suiter
> > > > > > Son of God
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Dore wrote:
> Ok, I concede, I will make sure that the to whomever I respond to, it is
> revealed at the top of my replies.
I wasn't actually expecting to be able to get through. I was probably
more heavy-handed than I needed to be. Anyway, thanks.
<snip>
Best Regards,
Sean McHugh
Sean McHugh made the following contribution to excessive bandwidth:
> On the matter of top posting and attributions,
> Raymond wrote:
>
> > "Sean McHugh" <smchugh@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:3EF53B26.380903C2@no-spam
>
> >> DW Suiter wrote:
>
> >>> I prefer top posting. It saves a lot of time and trouble of having
> >>> to scroll to the last reposted message to see the new post.
>
> >>> What he said is a normal acceptable response to a post, adding his
> >>> thoughts to what was posted.
>
> >>> DW Suiter Son of God
>
> >> As I alluded before, if you top post there is no point in even
> >> quoting the other person's stuff. It just consumes bandwidth and
> >> takes longer to load.
>
> > Why the whole message is still there, it just take time trying to
> > find why they wrote what they did.
>
> Yes, it takes additional time to understand the context with a top
> posted article. So how can that be more convenient to the reader -
> unless the reader doesn't want to see your reply in the context of the
> points you are answering?
>
> > I just cut out the stuff that was already covered and get to the
> > last context and or question and reply there.
>
> That was not the case in the post I interjected. As I said it was over
> 1400 lines and you placed about a dozen lines on top. In that format,
> the quoted material, which went to twelve ">"s deep, was nigh on
> useless but you left it there. Are you pleading that that post is
> uncharacteristic of your normal procedures? I am not saying that it
> isn't.
>
> Top posting encourages lack of management. For instance, elsewhere in
> this top-posting thread, the indenting reached nineteen ">"s. I think
> that that is as bad as I have ever seen. I can't show this worst case
> on Google because it doesn't appear there. I think Google still has a
> limit to the length of the posts that it will archive.
>
> The reason, in top posts, that points aren't answered and the reason
> that the redundant material below grows unchecked to outrageous
> proportions, are actually one and the same. The prolific top poster
> isn't even really looking at what he is answering. He just sees the
> top space where he places his stuff.
Unfortunately OE does not give the option to 'start replies underneath
quoted text' (afaik), but rather positions the cursor at the top of the
text, thus creating a top post by default. Netscape allows the choice, but
OE is by far the most used programme, and those too lazy or ignorant to
consider these matters that you mention, simply start typing where the
cursor appears. So it would seem to be a software related issue as well.
> To make matters worse, because he
> doesn't have to worry about considering and answering counterpoints
> one by one, he can quickly churn out numerous monster posts to which
> he has added a relatively few lines of his extremely valuable (to him)
> rhetoric.
There is nothing wrong with addressing a post generally, rather than as
individual points, but the comment(s) should still be made underneath the
entire text, in order to preserve readability if others wish to comment
further.
> If this bandwidth consuming disease were kept to their own newsgroups
> then I wouldn't care, but another characteristic of top posters and
> their threads is that they tend to be crossposted with a shotgun.
>
> From newsgroup, "alt.html Frequently Asked Questions":
>
> <http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/?toppost>
>
> ~ One reason why top-posting is so disliked is that those who do it
> ~ very rarely bother to snip any of the preceding post(s) - they leave
> ~ masses of quoted text trailing underneath their (frequently very
> ~ brief) reply. This is very wasteful of resources, especially for
> ~ those with slow dial-up connections, or those who may be downloading
> ~ to a laptop from a mobile phone.
And also for those who pay for time on line by the the actual time used.
> Here is another comment from the same site:
>
> ~ There's no way to build a threaded discussion with top-posting on a
> ~ newsgroup whose majority members conventionally use bottom-posting
> ~ with selective relevant quotebacks.
>
> I suspect that there, "bottom-posting" means "interleaved-posting".
>
> > If the post is sent addressed to me in the newsgroup and I disagree
> > with the whole a quick top posting saying so, saves the person from
> > looking elsewhere for the reply.
>
> If the poster doesn't bother to make clear with what it is he
> disagrees and why he disagrees, then I would probably regard that post
> as a throw-away. I will agree that there might be occasional times
> where one, for various reasons, opts not to perform a point by point
> response to a post. Under those circumstance I would snip all but the
> few lines of the quoted material, put my general comments below that
> and indicate the rest as having being snipped with <snip> or <snip
> rest>. Quoting the first few lines identifies the post to which you
> are responding.
Nothing more irritating, apart from top posters, than those who quote
nothing.. no text, and not even the persons name to whose comments they
refer!
> There is no need to quote the whole thing to make a
> brief general comment. No one wants a 50K "not me" or "me too" post -
> not even the one (or one's) who wrote the original material.
>
> From uk.rec.birdwatching:
>
> <http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/toppost.htm>
>
> Top Posting:
>
> ~ Why do people object to it?
>
> ~ Common sense, really. If A makes a comment which B responds to, and
> ~ then C discusses the matter further, the text order A, B, C is the
> ~ most logical for the reader.
>
> ~ If B places his reply above A's text, and then C wants to respond to
> ~ both A and B, it can be very difficult for C to place his text so
> ~ that it makes sense. And if D wants to respond to a series of things
> ~ that E says, point by point, it is far clearer if each response
> ~ comes under the text it is responding to.
>
> Dick Gaughan, in his web page, "The Absolute Beginners Guide to the
> Internet", uses the following juxtaposition to to show how much more
> confusing top posting is:
>
> <http://www.dickalba.demon.co.uk/usenet/guide/faq_topp.html>
>
> ~ Example 1.
>
> ~ Yes please.
>
> ~ One sugar and some milk.
>
> ~> Would you like a cup of coffee?
>
> ~> How do you take it?
>
> ~ Example 2.
>
> ~> Would you like a cup of coffee?
>
> ~ Yes please.
>
> ~> How do you take it?
>
> ~ One sugar and some milk.
>
> > What I would like to see is folks to cut out all the headers that
> > just say the same names from, and to, for two or more view screens,
> > after the first, many times I just don't waste time reading onwards.
>
> I couldn't disagree more - and that's putting it mildly. If it's worth
> quoting someone's material, then it's worth indicating its authorship.
> In fact, it's practically demanded. When you quote someone on Usenet,
> you are publishing excerpts of their writing. It is bad form in any
> writing to quote someone without citing the authorship. Apart from
> that, it is easier to follow a thread if you know who wrote which
> bits. That way, one can get a better overall picture of what each
> contributor is saying.
Exactly right.
> I'll actually go further and say that if there
> is confusion about who said something, there will likely be confusion
> over what the something is.
>
> <http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/quote.html>
>
> ~ Be accurate with your attributions. That is in displaying who said
> ~ what. In particular, if for the flow of the text you have to quote
> ~ text that already is quoted, it may become quite difficult to get it
> ~ right who actually said what. Be very careful not to indicate that
> ~ someone said what in fact was written by someone else. [Prof. Timo
> ~ Salmi]
Ppl have been know to receive abusive comment/email due to falsely
attributed texts. (myself included)
> I suggest you also read, "Preserve Attributions Appropriately":
>
> <http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2000/06/14/quoting#3>
>
> > Raymond
>
> >> Top posting also ruins a thread, so it's not only what YOU prefer
> >> that need to be considered. Everything gets out of order.
>
> >> I have found top posting to be the preference of those least
> >> willing or able to deal with points. Because everything the other
> >> person said is buried way below, they don't need to deal with it
> >> and they invariably don't. [SM]
>
> I can't emphasize that enough. This thread, for instance, is dreadful.
> All I have seen is people NOT dealing with what the other person is
> saying. It's nothing but a holier-than-thou preach-off. And just like
> the preaching minister is not inviting and addressing points from his
> congregation, the preachers in this thread are only interested in
> delivering their sermons. They ascend their pulpits - the top posts -
> to do so.
> From an unknown origin (as quoted by Prof Salmi, URL above). I think
> it says it all:
>
> A: Top posters.
>
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
>
> <snip>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Sean McHugh
--
rgds,
Pete.
-----
pedro wrote:
> Sean McHugh wrote:
<snip>
> > The reason, in top posts, that points aren't answered and the reason
> > that the redundant material below grows unchecked to outrageous
> > proportions, are actually one and the same. The prolific top poster
> > isn't even really looking at what he is answering. He just sees the
> > top space where he places his stuff.
>
> Unfortunately OE does not give the option to 'start replies underneath
> quoted text' (afaik), but rather positions the cursor at the top of the
> text, thus creating a top post by default. Netscape allows the choice, but
> OE is by far the most used programme, and those too lazy or ignorant to
> consider these matters that you mention, simply start typing where the
> cursor appears. So it would seem to be a software related issue as well.
I don't use OE. Would someone like to try going to the Edit tab and
choosing "Select All" then "Cut" and then "Paste" and see if the cursor
still won't go into the quoted text?
<snip>
Best Regards,
Sean McHugh
No, but since it isn't relevant to the truth that gold is in oil that Saddam
was attempting to rebuild Babylon, because he didn't succeed. The more
important lesson there was that the rulers and government LIE to the people.
--
Dore
"Honor, Obey, Worship and Respect the Father, for then the Son will be
pleased"
Ps 2:12
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his
wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in
him.
(KJV)
http://dorewilliamson.com/
"Reverend_Ron" <rchampoux@no-spam> wrote in message
news:nDrKa.243587$VP.49672264@no-spam
> so the messages you tell of in your webpage are "minor details",
> "irrelevent" and "a waste of time"?
> "Dore" <spiritfire@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:sjpKa.12913$8n3.2966@no-spam
> >
> > "Reverend_Ron" <rchampoux@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:ltVJa.231348$VP.48753520@no-spam
> >
> > > dore: please explain to me how is it that you, part of the godhead can
> > > forget some of your statement? either you are flawed or God is flawed.
i
> > > think the former.
> >
> > As I said, I don't CHOOSE to remember things that are meaningless,
> > irrelevant or a waste of time. Minor details of something is not
necessary
> > to be remembered. It has nothing to do with flaw, it has to do with what
> is
> > important and what isn't.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dore
> >
> > "Honor, Obey, Worship and Respect the Father, for then the Son will be
> > pleased"
> >
> > Ps 2:12
> > 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his
> > wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust
> in
> > him.
> > (KJV)
> >
> > http://dorewilliamson.com/
> >
> >
> >
> > "Reverend_Ron" <rchampoux@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:ltVJa.231348$VP.48753520@no-spam
> > > dore: please explain to me how is it that you, part of the godhead can
> > > forget some of your statement? either you are flawed or God is flawed.
i
> > > think the former.
> > > "Dore" <spiritfire@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > news:96NJa.10432$Or.4305@no-spam
> > > > you wrote.
> > > >
> > > > > What causes a lot of anguish, is to see people like Dore who truly
> > loves
> > > > all
> > > > > she knows about God yet doesn't see or understand what she knows
has
> > > come
> > > > > from the religions of mankind.
> > > >
> > > > How many times do I have to tell you, Don, that what I know comes
from
> > the
> > > > Holy Spirit of truth, and the Father Himself. The Bible is NOT a
> > religion
> > > of
> > > > mankind. It is a book of compilation of letters, books, scripts,
> > > > testimonies, and experiences of people who KNEW GOD, some heard Him
> > speak
> > > to
> > > > them and give them information, knowledge, truths, wisdom and
> prophecies
> > > to
> > > > write down a for all mankind to consider. I don't follow religions
of
> > > > mankind, I follow the truths of God provided in those testimonies,
as
> > well
> > > > as what the Spirit and Father have taught me themselves, sometimes
> > > according
> > > > to THOSE truths and ways that God has interacted and REVEALED to
those
> > who
> > > > wrote the scriptures. In fact, you may have noticed how often I
> rebuke,
> > > > chastise, condemn and admonish the religions of mankind that have
> > > distorted
> > > > the truths of God, even your own opinions, concepts and lies that
you
> > have
> > > > imagined in your own heart. Just because I appreciate the Bible for
> > > exactly
> > > > what it is, does NOT mean I follow or know ANYTHING from the
> "religions"
> > > of
> > > > mankind for I discern ALL of the words contained therein with
> > > righteousness.
> > > >
> > > > you wrote.
> > > > > These people need to be set free and there is no other way other
> than
> > > the
> > > > > way taught by Jesus of Nazareth which is to know the truth
> concerning
> > > the
> > > > > matters of God. This "knowing" is not to know religious teachings
or
> > > > > scripture. It is to receive and gain knowledge directly from the
> > Living
> > > > God
> > > > > as any son is taught and raised up by parents.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > How many times do I have to tell you that you cannot KNOW anything
> from
> > > the
> > > > LIVING GOD until you have OBEYED ALL of His commands, demands and
> > > > requirements that HE PROVIDED through His ancient chosen? You cannot
> > > receive
> > > > the Holy Spirit of truth, until you have walked in the ways that
> CHRIST
> > > has
> > > > set down and taught. In fact that was the main purpose of His
coming,
> to
> > > > teach the truths of God for man to seek, consider and OBEY so that
> when
> > > > they have repented of all sin, are pure, holy and righteous, and
have
> > > > forsaken ALL things of the earth, they enter into the kingdom of God
> in
> > > > spirit and truth and then the Holy Spirit comes and guides them into
> ALL
> > > > truths. For NO ONE with ANY INIQUITY can come into the presence of
the
> > > > Living God and thus you don't KNOW what God considers sin and
iniquity
> > > until
> > > > you seek, study and understand and then REPENT of those sins, that
> were
> > > > given by knowledge and information in the scriptures, and then
> > discipline
> > > > yourself to remove all iniquity so that you can enter into the
kingdom
> > and
> > > > be ONE with the Father and the Son. You also must learn ALL
> > righteousness
> > > of
> > > > God, by SEEKING it, also provided in the scriptures for knowledge
and
> > > > information to be able to discern what is from God and what is from
> the
> > > > devil. WITHOUT that information provided in the scriptures, you will
> be
> > > lead
> > > > by evil spirits, because you have NOT attained the righteousness of
> God
> > > > through being obedient to His commands, demands and requirements
that
> He
> > > set
> > > > down in the Bible. If you are still in sin, being disobedient to
> Christ,
> > > > then your father is the devil, and that is who is raising you when
YOU
> > > have
> > > > NOT the knowledge, wisdom, truths and information provided through
the
> > > > scriptures. You wouldn't KNOW what Jesus of Nazareth taught unless
you
> > > > studied and read it in the Bible, so why are you constantly defaming
> it?
> > > >
> > > > you wrote.
> > > > > Dore has had a very difficult life. What I say to her, I say in
the
> > love
> > > > of
> > > > > God and in good will.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, so would all you truly abide and live in the Will of God,
> > > > especially since this world is so full of evil and wickedness, which
> > > causes
> > > > the suffering of the righteous. And as difficult as my life has
been,
> it
> > > > also has been taken to the opposite extreme in wonderfulness and
> > treasures
> > > > with the gifts and rewards of the Spirit, because of My obedience
and
> > > > faithfulness.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Dore
> > > >
> > > > "Honor, Obey, Worship and Respect the Father, for then the Son will
be
> > > > pleased"
> > > >
> > > > Ps 2:12
> > > > 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when
> his
> > > > wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their
> trust
> > > in
> > > > him.
> > > > (KJV)
> > > >
> > > > http://dorewilliamson.com/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > > news:vf8havtj64j92b@no-spam
> > > > > Which is also my will. I am glad you see I am not condemning Dore,
> but
> > > > > attempting to open her eyes to reality.
> > > > >
> > > > > What causes a lot of anguish, is to see people like Dore who truly
> > loves
> > > > all
> > > > > she knows about God yet doesn't see or understand what she knows
has
> > > come
> > > > > from the religions of mankind.
> > > > >
> > > > > These people need to be set free and there is no other way other
> than
> > > the
> > > > > way taught by Jesus of Nazareth which is to know the truth
> concerning
> > > the
> > > > > matters of God. This "knowing" is not to know religious teachings
or
> > > > > scripture. It is to receive and gain knowledge directly from the
> > Living
> > > > God
> > > > > as any son is taught and raised up by parents.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dore has had a very difficult life. What I say to her, I say in
the
> > love
> > > > of
> > > > > God and in good will.
> > > > >
> > > > > DW Suiter
> > > > > Son of God
> > > > >
> > > > > <cameswalk77@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3ce65247.0306200618.512e5384@no-spam
> > > > > > If the words you typed to Dore doesn't turn a "light" (of
course,
> > > > > > Jesus is the Light of the world), I don't know what else will. A
> > true
> > > > > > believer is able to receive correction for brothers and sisters.
I
> > > > > > pray the words you shared are able to touch her heart.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > > > news:<vf4s43mth5g931@no-spam>...
> > > > > > > "Dore" <spiritfire@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:d%qIa.7680$a87.2614@no-spam
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (Clipped unnecessary repetitiveness)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dore, by your own mouth you profess your faith and honor in
> > > scriptures
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > man, and not God. You use these as your "authority" as all
other
> > > > > > > religionists do. Because you do not know God you do not the
> > reality
> > > of
> > > > > > > "throwing stones" which is what you do when you quote
scripture.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If the deceived, such as yourself, knew you were deceived, you
> > would
> > > > no
> > > > > > > longer be deceived. However, you are totally unaware you have
> been
> > > > > deceived.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My authority is the Living Word the Living God has inscribed
in
> my
> > > > mind.
> > > > > > > This Word is not found in your scriptures for the scriptures
of
> > man
> > > > can
> > > > > > > never contain God nor reveal what God alone reveals in His
> Living
> > > > Word;
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > Word that proceeds forth from His mouth to the Son.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You cannot conceive this reality of God His promise for you do
> not
> > > > know
> > > > > nor
> > > > > > > understand what the promise of God is for you have relied on
> false
> > > > > religious
> > > > > > > teachings and doctrines for your knowledge and understanding.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I suggest you seek the Living God and His Living Word as all
> Sons
> > of
> > > > God
> > > > > > > have done. These, the Sons of God of which I am, have received
> the
> > > > > greater
> > > > > > > gifts from God which are; knowledge, understanding and wisdom,
> and
> > > the
> > > > > mind
> > > > > > > of Christ.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Come out of religion Dore and seek God.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > DW Suiter
> > > > > > > Son of God
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Sean McHugh wrote:
> pedro wrote:
>
> > Sean McHugh wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > > The reason, in top posts, that points aren't answered and the reason
> > > that the redundant material below grows unchecked to outrageous
> > > proportions, are actually one and the same. The prolific top poster
> > > isn't even really looking at what he is answering. He just sees the
> > > top space where he places his stuff.
> >
> > Unfortunately OE does not give the option to 'start replies underneath
> > quoted text' (afaik), but rather positions the cursor at the top of the
> > text, thus creating a top post by default. Netscape allows the choice, but
> > OE is by far the most used programme, and those too lazy or ignorant to
> > consider these matters that you mention, simply start typing where the
> > cursor appears. So it would seem to be a software related issue as well.
>
> I don't use OE. Would someone like to try going to the Edit tab and
> choosing "Select All" then "Cut" and then "Paste" and see if the cursor
> still won't go into the quoted text?
>
> <snip>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Sean McHugh
If you reply to a message, OE puts the cursor at the top of the reply, but you
can then position it anywhere you want.
--
rgds,
Pete.
-----
pedro wrote:
> Sean McHugh wrote:
>
> > pedro wrote:
<snip>
> > > Unfortunately OE does not give the option to 'start replies underneath
> > > quoted text' (afaik), but rather positions the cursor at the top of the
> > > text, thus creating a top post by default. Netscape allows the choice, but
> > > OE is by far the most used programme, and those too lazy or ignorant to
> > > consider these matters that you mention, simply start typing where the
> > > cursor appears. So it would seem to be a software related issue as well.
> >
> > I don't use OE. Would someone like to try going to the Edit tab and
> > choosing "Select All" then "Cut" and then "Paste" and see if the cursor
> > still won't go into the quoted text?
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Sean McHugh
>
> If you reply to a message, OE puts the cursor at the top of the reply, but you
> can then position it anywhere you want.
Thanks, then there is really no good excuse for top posting.
Best Regards,
Sean McHugh
Sean McHugh wrote:
> pedro wrote:
>
> > Sean McHugh wrote:
> >
> > > pedro wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > > > Unfortunately OE does not give the option to 'start replies underneath
> > > > quoted text' (afaik), but rather positions the cursor at the top of the
> > > > text, thus creating a top post by default. Netscape allows the choice, but
> > > > OE is by far the most used programme, and those too lazy or ignorant to
> > > > consider these matters that you mention, simply start typing where the
> > > > cursor appears. So it would seem to be a software related issue as well.
> > >
> > > I don't use OE. Would someone like to try going to the Edit tab and
> > > choosing "Select All" then "Cut" and then "Paste" and see if the cursor
> > > still won't go into the quoted text?
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > >
> > > Sean McHugh
> >
> > If you reply to a message, OE puts the cursor at the top of the reply, but you
> > can then position it anywhere you want.
>
> Thanks, then there is really no good excuse for top posting.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Sean McHugh
No, only the ones I already said.
--
rgds,
Pete.
-----
pedro wrote:
>
> Sean McHugh wrote:
>
> > pedro wrote:
> >
> > > Sean McHugh wrote:
> > >
> > > > pedro wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > > > Unfortunately OE does not give the option to 'start replies underneath
> > > > > quoted text' (afaik), but rather positions the cursor at the top of the
> > > > > text, thus creating a top post by default. Netscape allows the choice, but
> > > > > OE is by far the most used programme, and those too lazy or ignorant to
> > > > > consider these matters that you mention, simply start typing where the
> > > > > cursor appears. So it would seem to be a software related issue as well.
> > > >
> > > > I don't use OE. Would someone like to try going to the Edit tab and
> > > > choosing "Select All" then "Cut" and then "Paste" and see if the cursor
> > > > still won't go into the quoted text?
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Sean McHugh
> > >
> > > If you reply to a message, OE puts the cursor at the top of the reply, but you
> > > can then position it anywhere you want.
> >
> > Thanks, then there is really no good excuse for top posting.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Sean McHugh
>
> No, only the ones I already said.
>
I have just realized that Netscape does the same thing. It places
the cursor at the top of the reply. It's so much of a problem, that
despite replying to thousands of posts using it, I never even
noticed before.
Best Regards,
Sean McHugh
"Sean McHugh" <smchugh@no-spam> wrote in message
news:3F0064B3.C30EFDE2@no-spam
>
>
> Sean McHugh wrote:
> >
> > pedro wrote:
> > >
> > > Sean McHugh wrote:
> > >
> > > > pedro wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Sean McHugh wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > pedro wrote:
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > > > > Unfortunately OE does not give the option to 'start replies
underneath
> > > > > > > quoted text' (afaik), but rather positions the cursor at the
top of the
> > > > > > > text, thus creating a top post by default. Netscape allows the
choice, but
> > > > > > > OE is by far the most used programme, and those too lazy or
ignorant to
> > > > > > > consider these matters that you mention, simply start typing
where the
> > > > > > > cursor appears. So it would seem to be a software related
issue as well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't use OE. Would someone like to try going to the Edit tab
and
> > > > > > choosing "Select All" then "Cut" and then "Paste" and see if the
cursor
> > > > > > still won't go into the quoted text?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sean McHugh
> > > > >
> > > > > If you reply to a message, OE puts the cursor at the top of the
reply, but you
> > > > > can then position it anywhere you want.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, then there is really no good excuse for top posting.
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Sean McHugh
> > >
> > > No, only the ones I already said.
> > >
> >
> > I have just realized that Netscape does the same thing. It places
> > the cursor at the top of the reply. It's so much of a problem, that
> > despite replying to thousands of posts using it, I never even
> > noticed before.
>
>
> Please change the first line to:
>
> "I have just realized that my Netscape has being doing the same thing".
>
> I note that you seem to indicate that there is an option to change
> this default. For me there is no point to do so because I will still
> be shifting the cursor to the appropriate point locations anyway.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Sean McHugh
Sean/Pedro if you find a way to change that default I'd be delighted.
Earlier versions of OE and other newsreaders I used previously automatically
put my signature at the bottom. Currently Windows XP puts it at the top, and
I think that's a nuisance... I have to cut and paste it to the bottom all
the time...
--
Shalom!
Rowland Croucher
http://www.pastornet.net.au/jmm/index.htm
(Now 10,200 + articles!)
Rowland Croucher wrote:
>
> "Sean McHugh" <smchugh@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:3F0064B3.C30EFDE2@no-spam
> >
> >
> > Sean McHugh wrote:
> > >
> > > pedro wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sean McHugh wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > pedro wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sean McHugh wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > pedro wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > Unfortunately OE does not give the option to 'start replies
> underneath
> > > > > > > > quoted text' (afaik), but rather positions the cursor at the
> top of the
> > > > > > > > text, thus creating a top post by default. Netscape allows the
> choice, but
> > > > > > > > OE is by far the most used programme, and those too lazy or
> ignorant to
> > > > > > > > consider these matters that you mention, simply start typing
> where the
> > > > > > > > cursor appears. So it would seem to be a software related
> issue as well.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't use OE. Would someone like to try going to the Edit tab
> and
> > > > > > > choosing "Select All" then "Cut" and then "Paste" and see if the
> cursor
> > > > > > > still won't go into the quoted text?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sean McHugh
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you reply to a message, OE puts the cursor at the top of the
> reply, but you
> > > > > > can then position it anywhere you want.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks, then there is really no good excuse for top posting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sean McHugh
> > > >
> > > > No, only the ones I already said.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I have just realized that Netscape does the same thing. It places
> > > the cursor at the top of the reply. It's so much of a problem, that
> > > despite replying to thousands of posts using it, I never even
> > > noticed before.
> >
> >
> > Please change the first line to:
> >
> > "I have just realized that my Netscape has being doing the same thing".
> >
> > I note that you seem to indicate that there is an option to change
> > this default. For me there is no point to do so because I will still
> > be shifting the cursor to the appropriate point locations anyway.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> >
> > Sean McHugh
>
> Sean/Pedro if you find a way to change that default I'd be delighted.
> Earlier versions of OE and other newsreaders I used previously automatically
> put my signature at the bottom. Currently Windows XP puts it at the top, and
> I think that's a nuisance... I have to cut and paste it to the bottom all
> the time...
Ah! Now I get it. It's where the sig goes, rather than just where the
cursor
goes. Though I know the facility is there, I have never used an
automatic
sig and anyway, as I have been justly accused, I like to vary my sig
sometimes.
Have you searched on the Net for a plug-in? There may be one (slim
chance).
If I get some time I'll have a look.
Best Regards, (genuine, hand written :-))
Sean McHugh
It is how your computer is set up.
You can go to your setup and change it if you want to.
Misty,
Sean McHugh wrote:
>
> pedro wrote:
>
>>Sean McHugh wrote:
>>
>>
>>>pedro wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sean McHugh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>pedro wrote:
>>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>>>Unfortunately OE does not give the option to 'start replies underneath
>>>>>>quoted text' (afaik), but rather positions the cursor at the top of the
>>>>>>text, thus creating a top post by default. Netscape allows the choice, but
>>>>>>OE is by far the most used programme, and those too lazy or ignorant to
>>>>>>consider these matters that you mention, simply start typing where the
>>>>>>cursor appears. So it would seem to be a software related issue as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't use OE. Would someone like to try going to the Edit tab and
>>>>>choosing "Select All" then "Cut" and then "Paste" and see if the cursor
>>>>>still won't go into the quoted text?
>>>>>
>>>>><snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>Sean McHugh
>>>>
>>>>If you reply to a message, OE puts the cursor at the top of the reply, but you
>>>>can then position it anywhere you want.
>>>
>>>Thanks, then there is really no good excuse for top posting.
>>>
>>>Best Regards,
>>>
>>>Sean McHugh
>>
>>No, only the ones I already said.
>>
>
>
> I have just realized that Netscape does the same thing. It places
> the cursor at the top of the reply. It's so much of a problem, that
> despite replying to thousands of posts using it, I never even
> noticed before.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Sean McHugh