A minister concluded that his church was getting into serious financial
troubles.. Coincidentally, by chance, while checking the church storeroom,
he discovered several cartons of new bibles that had never been opened and
distributed. So at his Sunday sermon, he asked for three volunteers from the
congregation who would be willing to sell the bibles door-to-door for $10
each to raise the desperately needed money for the church. Peter, Paul and
Louie all raised their hands to volunteer for the task. The reverend knew
that Peter and Paul earned their living as salesmen and were likely capable
of selling some bibles but he had serious doubts about Louie. Louie was just
a little local farmer, who had always tended to keep to himself because he
was embarrassed by his speech impediment. Poor little Louis stuttered very
badly..But, not wanting to discourage poor Louis, the reverend decided to
let him try anyway. He sent the three of them away with the back seat of
their cars stacked with bibles and asked them to meet with him and report
the results of their door-to-door selling efforts the following Sunday.
Which they did.
Anxious to find out how successful they were, the reverend immediately asked
Peter, "Well, Peter, how did you make out selling our bibles last week?"
Proudly handing the reverend an envelope, Peter replied, "Father, using my
sales prowess, I was able to sell 20 bibles, and here's the 200 dollars I
collected on behalf of the church." "Fine job, Peter!" The reverend said,
vigorously shaking his hand. "You are indeed a fine salesman and the Church
is indebted to you."
Turning to Paul, he asked "And Paul, how many bibles did you manage to sell
for the church last week?"
Paul, smiling and sticking out his chest, confidently replied, "Reverend, I
am a professional salesman and was happy to give the church the benefit of
my sales expertise. Last week I sold 28 bibles on behalf of the church, and
here's 280 dollars I collected."
The reverend responded, "That's absolutely splendid, Paul. You are truly a
professional salesman and the church is also indebted to you."
Apprehensively, the reverend turned to little Louie and said, "And Louie,
did you manage to sell any bibles last week?"
Louie silently offered the reverend a large envelope. The reverend opened it
and counted the contents.. "What is this?" the reverend exclaimed. "Louie,
there's 3200 dollars in here!
Are you suggesting that you sold 320 bibles for the church, door to door, in
just one week? Louie just nodded. That's impossible!" both Peter and Paul
said in unison. "We are professional salesmen, yet you claim to have sold 10
times as many bibles as we could." "Yes, this does seem unlikely," the
reverend agreed. "I think you'd better explain how you managed to do
accomplish this, Louie."
Louie shrugged. "I-I-I- re-re-really do-do-don't kn-kn-know f-f-f-for
sh-sh-sh-sure," he stammered.
Impatiently, Peter interrupted. "For crying out loud, Louie, just tell us
what you said to them when they answered the door!"
"A-a-a-all I-I-I s-s-said wa-wa-was," Louis replied, "W-w-w-w-would
y-y-y-you l-l-l-l-l-like t-t-to b-b-b-buy th-th-th-this b-b-b-b-bible
f-f-for t-t-ten b-b-b-bucks ---o-o-o-or--- wo-wo-would
yo-you j-j-j-just l-like m-m-me t-t-to st-st-stand h-h-here and
l-l-l-let m-m-me r-r-r-r-r-read it t-to y-y-you?"
--
Shalom!
Rowland Croucher
http://www.pastornet.net.au/jmm/index.htm
(Now 10,100 + articles!)
Dear Prince of Darkness,
With the experience of religious vilification going on in Australian at
present where Institutional clergy have indulged themselves on the
misfortunes of others which the clergy themselves have in many instances
promulgated, I think it wise for you to cease telling stories of contrived
religiousity and address the more important life issues.
- dolf
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/
"Rowland Croucher" <rcroucher@no-spam> wrote in
message news:3ef7c73f$0$30820$afc38c87@no-spam
A minister concluded that his church was getting into serious financial
troubles.. Coincidentally, by chance, while checking the church storeroom,
he discovered several cartons of new bibles that had never been opened and
distributed. So at his Sunday sermon, he asked for three volunteers from the
congregation who would be willing to sell the bibles door-to-door for $10
each to raise the desperately needed money for the church. Peter, Paul and
Louie all raised their hands to volunteer for the task. The reverend knew
that Peter and Paul earned their living as salesmen and were likely capable
of selling some bibles but he had serious doubts about Louie. Louie was just
a little local farmer, who had always tended to keep to himself because he
was embarrassed by his speech impediment. Poor little Louis stuttered very
badly..But, not wanting to discourage poor Louis, the reverend decided to
let him try anyway. He sent the three of them away with the back seat of
their cars stacked with bibles and asked them to meet with him and report
the results of their door-to-door selling efforts the following Sunday.
Which they did.
Anxious to find out how successful they were, the reverend immediately asked
Peter, "Well, Peter, how did you make out selling our bibles last week?"
Proudly handing the reverend an envelope, Peter replied, "Father, using my
sales prowess, I was able to sell 20 bibles, and here's the 200 dollars I
collected on behalf of the church." "Fine job, Peter!" The reverend said,
vigorously shaking his hand. "You are indeed a fine salesman and the Church
is indebted to you."
Turning to Paul, he asked "And Paul, how many bibles did you manage to sell
for the church last week?"
Paul, smiling and sticking out his chest, confidently replied, "Reverend, I
am a professional salesman and was happy to give the church the benefit of
my sales expertise. Last week I sold 28 bibles on behalf of the church, and
here's 280 dollars I collected."
The reverend responded, "That's absolutely splendid, Paul. You are truly a
professional salesman and the church is also indebted to you."
Apprehensively, the reverend turned to little Louie and said, "And Louie,
did you manage to sell any bibles last week?"
Louie silently offered the reverend a large envelope. The reverend opened it
and counted the contents.. "What is this?" the reverend exclaimed. "Louie,
there's 3200 dollars in here!
Are you suggesting that you sold 320 bibles for the church, door to door, in
just one week? Louie just nodded. That's impossible!" both Peter and Paul
said in unison. "We are professional salesmen, yet you claim to have sold 10
times as many bibles as we could." "Yes, this does seem unlikely," the
reverend agreed. "I think you'd better explain how you managed to do
accomplish this, Louie."
Louie shrugged. "I-I-I- re-re-really do-do-don't kn-kn-know f-f-f-for
sh-sh-sh-sure," he stammered.
Impatiently, Peter interrupted. "For crying out loud, Louie, just tell us
what you said to them when they answered the door!"
"A-a-a-all I-I-I s-s-said wa-wa-was," Louis replied, "W-w-w-w-would
y-y-y-you l-l-l-l-l-like t-t-to b-b-b-buy th-th-th-this b-b-b-b-bible
f-f-for t-t-ten b-b-b-bucks ---o-o-o-or--- wo-wo-would
yo-you j-j-j-just l-like m-m-me t-t-to st-st-stand h-h-here and
l-l-l-let m-m-me r-r-r-r-r-read it t-to y-y-you?"
--
Shalom!
Rowland Croucher
http://www.pastornet.net.au/jmm/index.htm
(Now 10,100 + articles!)
Rabbi Nachman (1772-1810 CE) who gives us a perspective of theology at the
time of Australia's discovery, says "The Zohar {splendor} teaches us that
the main glory of God is 'when the Gentile nations come and praise Him.
God's name is then elevated and glorified both below and on high. [Zohar
2:69a]
This is when Jethro {his excellence; his posterity} said, "I Jethro, your
father-in-law, am come to you {Moses-'taken out; drawn forth'} and your wife
{Zipporah-'taken out; drawn forth'} and her two sons with her. and Moses
went out to meet his father-in-law and saluted him and kissed him; and they
exchanged words of salutatiion, one with another, and they went into the
tent. And Moses recounted to his father-in-law all that the Lord, had done
to Pharaoh {that disperses; that spoils} and to the Egyptians {that troubles
or oppresses; anguish} on account of Israel {He that sees God; He that
prevails with God}, all the distress that overtook them on the way and how
the Lord had done for Israel, who had delivered them from the hands of the
Egyptians.
And Jethro said, "Blessed be the LORD who delivered you from the hands of
the Egyptians and from the hands of Pharaoh, who saved the people from
beneath the yoke of bondage of the Egyptians. BEHOLD, NOW I KNOW AND IT IS
MANIFEST TO ME THAT THE LORD IS MIGHTIER THAN THE GODS, AND LORD ABOVE ALL
LORDS, BECAUSE BY THE THING WHICH THE EGYPTIANS DEVISED {ie measure for
measure} CONCERNING ISRAEL--TO CAST THEIR CHILDREN INTO THE RIVER--BY THAT
SAME THING HAS THE LORD REVENGED HIMSELF OF THEM. THE LORD DETERMINED IN HIS
MEMRA AND BURIED THEIR CHARIOTS IN THE SEA OF REEDS. And Jethro, Moses'
father-in-law, took holocausts and sacrifices of consecrated objects for the
name of the Lord; and Aaron {mountain, teacher with a sense of light
bearer}and all the wise men of Israel came to eat bread with the
father-in-law of Moses before the Lord." [© 1994 The Order of Saint
Benedict, circa 1500 CE Aramaic Targum of Neofiti 18:612]
At that time, "God's name was elevated and made glorious." God's glory
consists of people outside the realm of holiness bringing themselves into
this realm. This includes both converts to Judaism and those who were
irreligious who return to religion, since they were also outside. When they
are brought close to the realm of holiness and enter inside, this is God's
glory.
It is impossible to attract converts or bring Jews bak to religion except
through the Torah. It is written, "Now, sons, listen to me and do not
depart from the words of my mouth. Keep far from her {ie. the lips of the
alien woman dripping with honey} your path and do not approach the doo of
her house, lest you give to others your strength and you bring your labour
into the house of others, and you wail at your end until your flesh and your
body are finished and you sau, 'How I hated correction and my heart
neglected chastisement, and I did not listen to the voice of my masters, and
to my teachers I did not incline my ear. I was almost in all evils in the
midst of the assembly and congregation.'
Drink water from your own cistern and running water from your own well. Do
your springs flow outside and channels of water in the streets? Let them he
for your only and let strangers not share with you. Let your fountain be
blessed and rejoice in the wife of your youth: a hind of love and a gazelle
of grace.
Learn good conduct at all times and in love of her you will grow ever
stronger. And do not go astray, my son, with a strange woman, nor embrace
the bosom of another, for before the eyes of God are the ways of man and all
his ways are manifest before him. THE SINS OF THE WICKED MAN SEIZE HIM AND
IN THE ROPES OF HIS SINS HE IS ENTANGLED. HE DIES WITHOUT CORRECTION AND IN
THE MULTITUDE OF HIS FOLLIES HE IS LOST." [© 1991 The Order of Saint
Benedict, Aramaic Targum of Proverbs 5:7-23]
This implies that a person must give the ones outside to drink the waters of
Torah and teach them the right way in which to go. This is God's glory, and
our sages teach us, 'There is not glory other than Torah.'" [© 1981 Aryeh
Kaplan, 'The Light Beyond -- Adventures in Hassidic Thought' Rabbi p
168-169]
- dolf
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html
PS. oh that veritas, bill et al were something other than reprobate
Gentiles.
"Bill Ramsay" <bill.ramsay@no-spam> wrote in message
news:9m0gfv8lmhomdnauo648me1krcmmo419gh@no-spam
so your point is? as far as i am aware nothing rises above the grave
except for the odd daffy.
"Bill Ramsay" <bill.ramsay@no-spam> wrote in message
news:0qmffvgigulsoeigh8i5gs1u62mg1kihsf@no-spam
dolf get a life. bill
DOLF NOTE:
Without acknowledging their dependency on Judaism as Christianity, Sunday
sacred Christianity has with the reprise of Y2K, no basis in truth. And as
hymeneal occultism is simply: marriage and given in marriage {ie. Mary
worship} which is expressly condemned within Scripture as a violation of the
Everlasting Covenant God made with Israel--The Egyptian basis to much of
what today passes itself off as Christianity, is by contrast a deification
of death! Then He said to the disciples, "The days will come when you will
desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it.
And they will say to you, 'Look here!' or 'Look there!' Do not go after them
or follow them. For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under
heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be
in His day. But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this
generation. And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the
days of the Son of Man: They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were
given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood
came and destroyed them all. Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot:
They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; but
on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from
heaven and destroyed them all. Even so will it be in the day when the Son of
Man is revealed." [Luke 17:22-30]
For in the resurrection of the dead ie. the return to the Everlasting
Covenant, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are as
Angels--Jesus said so--why should these self professed princes of darkness
such as "Griz" <griz@no-spam> go against the words of Jesus?
Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not knowing the
Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry
nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. But
concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken
to you by God, saying, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the
God of Jacob'? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living." [Matthew
22:29-32]
Jesus answered and said to them, "Are you not therefore mistaken, because
you do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God? For when they rise from
the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels
in heaven. But concerning the dead, that they rise, have you not read in the
book of Moses, in the burning bush passage, how God spoke to him, saying, 'I
am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not
the God of the dead, but the God of the living. You are therefore greatly
mistaken." [Mark 12:24-27]
Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given
in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the
resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can
they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God,
being sons of the resurrection. But even Moses showed in the burning bush
passage that the dead are raised, when he called the Lord 'the God of
Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.' For He is not the God of
the dead but of the living, for all live to Him." [Luke 20:34 -38]
- dolf
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/
No anti-semitic is a better term to use to describe you!
- dolf
"Bill Ramsay" <bill.ramsay@no-spam> wrote in message
news:p7eifv8juhub73kt2r0eph724g2mggi26r@no-spam
Dolf
I would prefer the term "heathen", so you point was again, try and
answer this time in your own words, or at least in less than this
dribble.
kind regards
bill ramsay
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:17:02 GMT, "Dolf Boek" <dolf_boek@no-spam>
wrote:
>Rabbi Nachman (1772-1810 CE) who gives us a perspective of theology at the
>time of Australia's discovery, says "The Zohar {splendor} teaches us that
>the main glory of God is 'when the Gentile nations come and praise Him.
>God's name is then elevated and glorified both below and on high. [Zohar
>2:69a]
>
>This is when Jethro {his excellence; his posterity} said, "I Jethro, your
>father-in-law, am come to you {Moses-'taken out; drawn forth'} and your
wife
>{Zipporah-'taken out; drawn forth'} and her two sons with her. and Moses
>went out to meet his father-in-law and saluted him and kissed him; and they
>exchanged words of salutatiion, one with another, and they went into the
>tent. And Moses recounted to his father-in-law all that the Lord, had done
>to Pharaoh {that disperses; that spoils} and to the Egyptians {that
troubles
>or oppresses; anguish} on account of Israel {He that sees God; He that
>prevails with God}, all the distress that overtook them on the way and how
>the Lord had done for Israel, who had delivered them from the hands of the
>Egyptians.
>
>And Jethro said, "Blessed be the LORD who delivered you from the hands of
>the Egyptians and from the hands of Pharaoh, who saved the people from
>beneath the yoke of bondage of the Egyptians. BEHOLD, NOW I KNOW AND IT IS
>MANIFEST TO ME THAT THE LORD IS MIGHTIER THAN THE GODS, AND LORD ABOVE ALL
>LORDS, BECAUSE BY THE THING WHICH THE EGYPTIANS DEVISED {ie measure for
>measure} CONCERNING ISRAEL--TO CAST THEIR CHILDREN INTO THE RIVER--BY THAT
>SAME THING HAS THE LORD REVENGED HIMSELF OF THEM. THE LORD DETERMINED IN
HIS
>MEMRA AND BURIED THEIR CHARIOTS IN THE SEA OF REEDS. And Jethro, Moses'
>father-in-law, took holocausts and sacrifices of consecrated objects for
the
>name of the Lord; and Aaron {mountain, teacher with a sense of light
>bearer}and all the wise men of Israel came to eat bread with the
>father-in-law of Moses before the Lord." [© 1994 The Order of Saint
>Benedict, circa 1500 CE Aramaic Targum of Neofiti 18:612]
>
>At that time, "God's name was elevated and made glorious." God's glory
>consists of people outside the realm of holiness bringing themselves into
>this realm. This includes both converts to Judaism and those who were
>irreligious who return to religion, since they were also outside. When
they
>are brought close to the realm of holiness and enter inside, this is God's
>glory.
>
>It is impossible to attract converts or bring Jews bak to religion except
>through the Torah. It is written, "Now, sons, listen to me and do not
>depart from the words of my mouth. Keep far from her {ie. the lips of the
>alien woman dripping with honey} your path and do not approach the doo of
>her house, lest you give to others your strength and you bring your labour
>into the house of others, and you wail at your end until your flesh and
your
>body are finished and you sau, 'How I hated correction and my heart
>neglected chastisement, and I did not listen to the voice of my masters,
and
>to my teachers I did not incline my ear. I was almost in all evils in the
>midst of the assembly and congregation.'
>
>Drink water from your own cistern and running water from your own well. Do
>your springs flow outside and channels of water in the streets? Let them
he
>for your only and let strangers not share with you. Let your fountain be
>blessed and rejoice in the wife of your youth: a hind of love and a gazelle
>of grace.
>
>Learn good conduct at all times and in love of her you will grow ever
>stronger. And do not go astray, my son, with a strange woman, nor embrace
>the bosom of another, for before the eyes of God are the ways of man and
all
>his ways are manifest before him. THE SINS OF THE WICKED MAN SEIZE HIM AND
>IN THE ROPES OF HIS SINS HE IS ENTANGLED. HE DIES WITHOUT CORRECTION AND IN
>THE MULTITUDE OF HIS FOLLIES HE IS LOST." [© 1991 The Order of Saint
>Benedict, Aramaic Targum of Proverbs 5:7-23]
>
>This implies that a person must give the ones outside to drink the waters
of
>Torah and teach them the right way in which to go. This is God's glory,
and
>our sages teach us, 'There is not glory other than Torah.'" [© 1981 Aryeh
>Kaplan, 'The Light Beyond -- Adventures in Hassidic Thought' Rabbi p
>168-169]
>
>- dolf
>http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html
>
>PS. oh that veritas, bill et al were something other than reprobate
>Gentiles.
>
>"Bill Ramsay" <bill.ramsay@no-spam> wrote in message
>news:9m0gfv8lmhomdnauo648me1krcmmo419gh@no-spam
>so your point is? as far as i am aware nothing rises above the grave
>except for the odd daffy.
>
>
>"Bill Ramsay" <bill.ramsay@no-spam> wrote in message
>news:0qmffvgigulsoeigh8i5gs1u62mg1kihsf@no-spam
>dolf get a life. bill
>
>DOLF NOTE:
>Without acknowledging their dependency on Judaism as Christianity, Sunday
>sacred Christianity has with the reprise of Y2K, no basis in truth. And as
>hymeneal occultism is simply: marriage and given in marriage {ie. Mary
>worship} which is expressly condemned within Scripture as a violation of
the
>Everlasting Covenant God made with Israel--The Egyptian basis to much of
>what today passes itself off as Christianity, is by contrast a deification
>of death! Then He said to the disciples, "The days will come when you will
>desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it.
>And they will say to you, 'Look here!' or 'Look there!' Do not go after
them
>or follow them. For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under
>heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will
be
>in His day. But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this
>generation. And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the
>days of the Son of Man: They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were
>given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood
>came and destroyed them all. Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot:
>They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; but
>on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from
>heaven and destroyed them all. Even so will it be in the day when the Son
of
>Man is revealed." [Luke 17:22-30]
>
>For in the resurrection of the dead ie. the return to the Everlasting
>Covenant, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are as
>Angels--Jesus said so--why should these self professed princes of darkness
>such as "Griz" <griz@no-spam> go against the words of Jesus?
>
>Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not knowing the
>Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry
>nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. But
>concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken
>to you by God, saying, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the
>God of Jacob'? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living." [Matthew
>22:29-32]
>
>Jesus answered and said to them, "Are you not therefore mistaken, because
>you do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God? For when they rise
from
>the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels
>in heaven. But concerning the dead, that they rise, have you not read in
the
>book of Moses, in the burning bush passage, how God spoke to him, saying,
'I
>am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not
>the God of the dead, but the God of the living. You are therefore greatly
>mistaken." [Mark 12:24-27]
>
>Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given
>in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the
>resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor
can
>they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God,
>being sons of the resurrection. But even Moses showed in the burning bush
>passage that the dead are raised, when he called the Lord 'the God of
>Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.' For He is not the God of
>the dead but of the living, for all live to Him." [Luke 20:34 -38]
>
>- dolf
> http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/
>
Bill, my friend, your time's too important to waste eh?
--
Shalom!
Rowland Croucher
http://www.pastornet.net.au/jmm/index.htm
(Now 10,100 + articles!)
"Bill Ramsay" <bill.ramsay@no-spam> wrote in message
news:p7eifv8juhub73kt2r0eph724g2mggi26r@no-spam
> Dolf
>
> I would prefer the term "heathen", so you point was again, try and
> answer this time in your own words, or at least in less than this
> dribble.
>
> kind regards
>
> bill ramsay
>
>
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:17:02 GMT, "Dolf Boek" <dolf_boek@no-spam>
> wrote:
>
> >Rabbi Nachman (1772-1810 CE) who gives us a perspective of theology at
the
> >time of Australia's discovery, says "The Zohar {splendor} teaches us that
> >the main glory of God is 'when the Gentile nations come and praise Him.
> >God's name is then elevated and glorified both below and on high. [Zohar
> >2:69a]
> >
> >This is when Jethro {his excellence; his posterity} said, "I Jethro, your
> >father-in-law, am come to you {Moses-'taken out; drawn forth'} and your
wife
> >{Zipporah-'taken out; drawn forth'} and her two sons with her. and Moses
> >went out to meet his father-in-law and saluted him and kissed him; and
they
> >exchanged words of salutatiion, one with another, and they went into the
> >tent. And Moses recounted to his father-in-law all that the Lord, had
done
> >to Pharaoh {that disperses; that spoils} and to the Egyptians {that
troubles
> >or oppresses; anguish} on account of Israel {He that sees God; He that
> >prevails with God}, all the distress that overtook them on the way and
how
> >the Lord had done for Israel, who had delivered them from the hands of
the
> >Egyptians.
> >
> >And Jethro said, "Blessed be the LORD who delivered you from the hands of
> >the Egyptians and from the hands of Pharaoh, who saved the people from
> >beneath the yoke of bondage of the Egyptians. BEHOLD, NOW I KNOW AND IT
IS
> >MANIFEST TO ME THAT THE LORD IS MIGHTIER THAN THE GODS, AND LORD ABOVE
ALL
> >LORDS, BECAUSE BY THE THING WHICH THE EGYPTIANS DEVISED {ie measure for
> >measure} CONCERNING ISRAEL--TO CAST THEIR CHILDREN INTO THE RIVER--BY
THAT
> >SAME THING HAS THE LORD REVENGED HIMSELF OF THEM. THE LORD DETERMINED IN
HIS
> >MEMRA AND BURIED THEIR CHARIOTS IN THE SEA OF REEDS. And Jethro, Moses'
> >father-in-law, took holocausts and sacrifices of consecrated objects for
the
> >name of the Lord; and Aaron {mountain, teacher with a sense of light
> >bearer}and all the wise men of Israel came to eat bread with the
> >father-in-law of Moses before the Lord." [© 1994 The Order of Saint
> >Benedict, circa 1500 CE Aramaic Targum of Neofiti 18:612]
> >
> >At that time, "God's name was elevated and made glorious." God's glory
> >consists of people outside the realm of holiness bringing themselves into
> >this realm. This includes both converts to Judaism and those who were
> >irreligious who return to religion, since they were also outside. When
they
> >are brought close to the realm of holiness and enter inside, this is
God's
> >glory.
> >
> >It is impossible to attract converts or bring Jews bak to religion except
> >through the Torah. It is written, "Now, sons, listen to me and do not
> >depart from the words of my mouth. Keep far from her {ie. the lips of
the
> >alien woman dripping with honey} your path and do not approach the doo of
> >her house, lest you give to others your strength and you bring your
labour
> >into the house of others, and you wail at your end until your flesh and
your
> >body are finished and you sau, 'How I hated correction and my heart
> >neglected chastisement, and I did not listen to the voice of my masters,
and
> >to my teachers I did not incline my ear. I was almost in all evils in
the
> >midst of the assembly and congregation.'
> >
> >Drink water from your own cistern and running water from your own well.
Do
> >your springs flow outside and channels of water in the streets? Let them
he
> >for your only and let strangers not share with you. Let your fountain be
> >blessed and rejoice in the wife of your youth: a hind of love and a
gazelle
> >of grace.
> >
> >Learn good conduct at all times and in love of her you will grow ever
> >stronger. And do not go astray, my son, with a strange woman, nor
embrace
> >the bosom of another, for before the eyes of God are the ways of man and
all
> >his ways are manifest before him. THE SINS OF THE WICKED MAN SEIZE HIM
AND
> >IN THE ROPES OF HIS SINS HE IS ENTANGLED. HE DIES WITHOUT CORRECTION AND
IN
> >THE MULTITUDE OF HIS FOLLIES HE IS LOST." [© 1991 The Order of Saint
> >Benedict, Aramaic Targum of Proverbs 5:7-23]
> >
> >This implies that a person must give the ones outside to drink the waters
of
> >Torah and teach them the right way in which to go. This is God's glory,
and
> >our sages teach us, 'There is not glory other than Torah.'" [© 1981 Aryeh
> >Kaplan, 'The Light Beyond -- Adventures in Hassidic Thought' Rabbi p
> >168-169]
> >
> >- dolf
> >http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html
> >
> >PS. oh that veritas, bill et al were something other than reprobate
> >Gentiles.
> >
> >"Bill Ramsay" <bill.ramsay@no-spam> wrote in message
> >news:9m0gfv8lmhomdnauo648me1krcmmo419gh@no-spam
> >so your point is? as far as i am aware nothing rises above the grave
> >except for the odd daffy.
> >
> >
> >"Bill Ramsay" <bill.ramsay@no-spam> wrote in message
> >news:0qmffvgigulsoeigh8i5gs1u62mg1kihsf@no-spam
> >dolf get a life. bill
> >
> >DOLF NOTE:
> >Without acknowledging their dependency on Judaism as Christianity, Sunday
> >sacred Christianity has with the reprise of Y2K, no basis in truth. And
as
> >hymeneal occultism is simply: marriage and given in marriage {ie. Mary
> >worship} which is expressly condemned within Scripture as a violation of
the
> >Everlasting Covenant God made with Israel--The Egyptian basis to much of
> >what today passes itself off as Christianity, is by contrast a
deification
> >of death! Then He said to the disciples, "The days will come when you
will
> >desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it.
> >And they will say to you, 'Look here!' or 'Look there!' Do not go after
them
> >or follow them. For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under
> >heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will
be
> >in His day. But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this
> >generation. And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the
> >days of the Son of Man: They ate, they drank, they married wives, they
were
> >given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood
> >came and destroyed them all. Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot:
> >They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built;
but
> >on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from
> >heaven and destroyed them all. Even so will it be in the day when the Son
of
> >Man is revealed." [Luke 17:22-30]
> >
> >For in the resurrection of the dead ie. the return to the Everlasting
> >Covenant, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are as
> >Angels--Jesus said so--why should these self professed princes of
darkness
> >such as "Griz" <griz@no-spam> go against the words of Jesus?
> >
> >Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not knowing the
> >Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither
marry
> >nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. But
> >concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was
spoken
> >to you by God, saying, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and
the
> >God of Jacob'? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."
[Matthew
> >22:29-32]
> >
> >Jesus answered and said to them, "Are you not therefore mistaken, because
> >you do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God? For when they rise
from
> >the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like
angels
> >in heaven. But concerning the dead, that they rise, have you not read in
the
> >book of Moses, in the burning bush passage, how God spoke to him, saying,
'I
> >am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not
> >the God of the dead, but the God of the living. You are therefore greatly
> >mistaken." [Mark 12:24-27]
> >
> >Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are
given
> >in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the
> >resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor
can
> >they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God,
> >being sons of the resurrection. But even Moses showed in the burning bush
> >passage that the dead are raised, when he called the Lord 'the God of
> >Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.' For He is not the God
of
> >the dead but of the living, for all live to Him." [Luke 20:34 -38]
> >
> >- dolf
> >http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/
> >
>
As far as I know, God's Everlasting Covenant is only with Israel in which
the Gentile nations too may participate.
Your theology bears no relationship to that, and I know of no man, who out
of concern for their own soul and its prospect for eternity--would not be
troubled that what you attempt to pass off as Christianity, is by contrast a
cruel, judgmental and dispassionate deification of death!
- dolf
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html
"Rowland Croucher" <rcroucher@no-spam> wrote in
message news:3ef97721$0$30823$afc38c87@no-spam
Bill, my friend, your time's too important to waste eh?
DOLF NOTE:
The matter of Rowland's encroachment into the sacred internet space of God's
Commandment keeping people with whom shares no part, now and for eternity
has been raised on several occasions--That particular Prince of Darkness has
been asked before to cease posting his Christianised paganism as attempts to
proselytise.
By that I mean, he is incapable of proving to us that his claim to Jesus is
something more than a fraudulent mirage and the basis for Institutionalised
vilification as unconstitutional religious and human rights violation.
Without acknowledging their dependency on Judaism as Christianity, Sunday
sacred Christianity has with the reprise of Y2K, no
basis in truth. And as hymeneal occultism is simply: marriage and given in
marriage {ie. Mary worship} which is expressly condemned within Scripture as
a violation of the Everlasting Covenant God made with Israel--The Egyptian
basis to much of what today passes itself off as Christianity, is by
contrast a cruel, judgmental and dispassionate deification of death!
With the experience of religious vilification going on in Australian at
present where Institutional clergy have indulged themselves on the
misfortunes of others which the clergy themselves have in many instances
promulgated, I think it wise for him to cease telling stories of contrived
religiousity and address the more important life issues.
- dolf
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html
Then, depending on whether you possess sufficient intellect to refrain from
further comment as sensualisms, there shouldn't be any need to be hearing
any further comments as anti-Semitic SPAM from you!
- dolf
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html
"Bill Ramsay" <bill.ramsay@no-spam> wrote in message
news:cm1jfv03rkgbc55fcenpo5jcvthaimn8mn@no-spam
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:19:14 +1000, "Rowland Croucher"
<rcroucher@no-spam> wrote:
>Bill, my friend, your time's too important to waste eh?
yeah, i think so,
"Bill Ramsay" <bill.ramsay@no-spam> wrote in message
news:hdhjfvs825vmk7s1iaqt238butl7k6l2jj@no-spam
sorry I cannot resist this, pity I never mentioned my supposed
anti-semitism at my friends daughters bat-mitzvah in the synagogue a few
months ago, Dolf, as i have said in the past you are a raving loon who
vaults preposterous assumptions, and when asked to make a simple point ,
refrains from doing so, and instead issues forth vast tirades of drivel.
[snipped for context]
DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
I can't see the need to ever hear from you again!
As I said before, depending on whether you possess sufficient intellect to
refrain from further comment as sensualisms, there shouldn't be any need to
be hearing any further comments as anti-Semitic SPAM from you!
It is the heart and that conveys whether one has a love for God's covenant
people or not--but it is the sensual and unbriddled tongue which betrays the
soul and shows you to be anti-semitic: "Even so the tongue is a little
member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire
kindleth! And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue
among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the
course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. For every kind of beasts,
and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath
been tamed of mankind:
But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which
are made after the similitude of God. 10Out of the same mouth proceedeth
blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. Doth a
fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? Can the fig
tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no
fountain both yield salt water and fresh. Who is a wise man and endued with
knowledge among you? let him show out of a good conversation his works with
meekness of wisdom." [James 3:5-13]
As Rabbi Shimon Finkleman/Rabbi Yitzchak Berkowitz convey in their
www.torah.org reflections titled "LONG RANGE MISSLES"
The danger of a weapon in the hands of an enemy is measured not only by the
destructive power of its impact but also by its range. A missile that can
travel long distances is far more dangerous than a tank or bazooka. In
interpersonal relationships the effect of an insult or emotional hurt also
has a range.
Words have the power to inflict great pain and suffering and their long
distance capabilities certainly require caution on the part of all who use
these potent weapons of mass destruction. The laws of lashon ha ra -
forbidden, harmful speech - arouse a sense of caution and sensitivity in a
person to guard one's tongue and to dole out words with cautious
stinginess. It is not only the long distance that is dangerous but also the
long-term effects of verbal damage that make this type of transgression so
serious. One should always consider the long-lasting effects of any
statement before launching potent words from one's mouth.
Holding back a feisty, slippery creature like the human tongue is a
difficult task to say the least. One good way to develop word control is to
improve your eye. Look for the good in everything around you. A person who
sees beauty in nature, appreciates art and music and enjoys the talents and
the quirks of friends and relatives may not be able to control his or her
tongue but will speak his or her mind -- with a positive view whenever
expressing inner thoughts. The verse in Tehillim says: "Who is the man who
seeks life, loves days to see good-- guard your tongue from evil..." In
order to guard your tongue --you must see good. There is so much that is
positive in G-d's creation and in the people around you. Look for it and
you will find it. Focus on it and teach your tongue to speak good.
DID YOU KNOW THAT
When one leaves a rest room after relieving oneself one must recite the
blessing "Asher Yasar" -- "Who formed the Human being..." --because the
creation of the human being is a wondrous accomplishment that requires
thankful acknowledgment.
The container - the body - is full of air and has many openings yet it
still holds the air inside. It is made up of so many complex organs that
contribute to the proper balance and functioning of the whole. We thank
Hashem that it all functions constantly -- for were any opening to seal up
or any closed organ to puncture it would not be possible to continue to
live.
[Source: Shulhan Arukh, o'h, siman 6]
CONSIDER THIS FOR A MINUTE
The gossiper looks over his shoulder to make sure that his target is not
listening. Why isn't he worried that Hashem is listening?" [
http://www.torah.org/learning/reflections/classes/reflection-12.html ]
- dolf
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html
"Bill Ramsay" <bill.ramsay@no-spam> wrote in message
news:hdhjfvs825vmk7s1iaqt238butl7k6l2jj@no-spam
[snipped for context]
In reference to your riposte below;
sensualism = Excessive devotion to sensual pleasure; sensuality, pray
tell, the sensuality in anything done to date in this thread?
spam = Unsolicited e-mail, often of a commercial nature, sent
indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or
newsgroups; junk e-mail; i sent no spam, i just responded to your
post, nothing more nothing less.
or is the use of these two words just another example of you frothing
at the mouth?
kind regards
Bill Ramsay
"Bill Ramsay" <bill.ramsay@no-spam> wrote in message
news:cm1jfv03rkgbc55fcenpo5jcvthaimn8mn@no-spam
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:19:14 +1000, "Rowland Croucher"
<rcroucher@no-spam> wrote:
>Bill, my friend, your time's too important to waste eh?
yeah, i think so,