AUS RELIGION ISLAM 35 RE WEST SHOULD HEED ISLAM S FAVOR ON EUROPE
From: "Heretic" (noone@no-spam)
Subject: Re: West Should Heed Islam's Favor On Europe
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:46:02 +0100


It's a bit sad when the ONLY example of Islam's vaunted tolerance and respect for other religions existed nearly 800 years ago. Where are the contempory examples of this tolerance ?

"Abu-Alwafa" <almared_alarabi@no-spam> wrote in message news:c0d49f12.0306220644.ec5268@no-spam > In the Name of Allah, the Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful >
> West Should Heed Islam's Favor On Europe: WEF Chief >
> By Khaled Schmitt, IOL Germany Correspondent > http://islamonline.net/
> BONNE, June 22 (IslamOnline.net) - The World Economic Forum (WEF)
> President Klaus Schwab urged the West to acknowledge the mounting > "geo-strategic" importance of the Islamic world, calling for opening a > candid and all-inclusive dialogue to reach a just peace in the world.
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> "The world Muslim population, 1.9 billion Muslims and the > distinguished geographical position of the Islamic world, extending > from west Africa and reaching out to the remotest point in southeast > Asia, underscores the importance of the Muslim countries as an > economic ally and partner that abounds in natural resources," Shwab > wrote in the German Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) newspaper > Saturday, June 21.
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> The West is in "a dire need to hold an international dialogue with the > Islamic world, based on new visions that cover political, religious > and scientific fields, to exchange expertise and to link economic > bodies with civil institutions," he added.
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> Schwab hailed the Muslim community in the West along with leading > Muslim bodies operating in the Islamic world as the most appropriate > partner for holing a dialogue with the West.
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> Respecting Islam >
> The head of the extraordinary annual economic form further said that > if the West "objectively" gives its policies a second reading and > realizes the great favor done by Islam to the European cultural,
> philosophical and scientific culture, it will definitely assert its > respect to this religion and accept it as a key partner.
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> Schwab cited the Umayyad caliphate in Cordoba as a classic example of > tolerance and coexistence between different communities under the > umbrella of one society, where Muslims, Christians and Jews were > living alongside in peace.
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> "A lot of people nowadays are working without tiring to stereotyping > the Islamic world and the West as two enemies lurking for one another > politically, culturally and religiously.
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> "This stereotype led some segments of the West to believe as if the > social values and political culture in Islam was a fertile ground for > conflicts, which runs against the western values. In return, many > Muslims see the West as a peril that jeopardizes Islam," he added.
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> 'World Disaster'
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> Schwab said it would be "a blunder" that could spark off "a world > disaster" that could spin out of control if people believed that the > clash between the Islamic and western civilizations was inevitable.
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> "Majority of Muslims and westerners share the common desire of living > in peace, security and freedom," he said.
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> "To that end," he continued, "common denominators between Islam and > the West should be boosted and feelings of hatred should be rooted out > to rebuild bridges of confidence, tolerance and mutual respect."
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> Schwab further said that rooting out terrorism needs, alongside police > and military efforts, "a courageous and far-fetching political policy > that would re-draw the landscape of the Middle East ."
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> The World Economic Forum (WEF) opened in the Jordanian capital Amman > Saturday, June 21, with the participation of around 1,900 world > leaders, politicians, businessmen, religious figures and academics > will take part in the event, half of them from the Middle East.


From: "Count 1" (omnipitus2002@no-spam)
Subject: Re: West Should Heed Islam's Favor On Europe
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:30:52 -0700

jackkincaid <theovermind@no-spam> wrote in message news:eb35fbed.0306241318.1f86e9db@no-spam > almared_alarabi@no-spam (Abu-Alwafa) wrote in message news:<c0d49f12.0306220644.ec5268@no-spam>...
> > In the Name of Allah, the Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful > >
> > BONNE, June 22 (IslamOnline.net) ? The World Economic Forum (WEF)
> > President Klaus Schwab urged the West to acknowledge the mounting > > "geo-strategic" importance of the Islamic world, calling for opening a > > candid and all-inclusive dialogue to reach a just peace in the world.
>
> Sounds fair enough.
> >
> > "The world Muslim population, 1.9 billion Muslims >
> Whoa! 1.9 billion! It's gone from 1 billion to 1.2 billion to 1.4
> billion to 1.7 bilion to 1.9 billion in less than a month! I guess > honesty and good accounting is out of the question, then. Not ideal > grounds for an economic partnership.

Aren't these numbers taken from population figures? I've seen one estimate that there are as few as 700M practicing muslims. I know there are figures which would count me as a christian, and lord know how far from the truth that one is.


From: Mike Craney (mcraney@no-spam)
Subject: Re: West Should Heed Islam's Favor On Europe
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:36:34 GMT

Count 1 wrote:
> jackkincaid <theovermind@no-spam> wrote in message > news:eb35fbed.0306241318.1f86e9db@no-spam > >>almared_alarabi@no-spam (Abu-Alwafa) wrote in message > > news:<c0d49f12.0306220644.ec5268@no-spam>...
> >>>In the Name of Allah, the Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful >>>
>>>BONNE, June 22 (IslamOnline.net) ? The World Economic Forum (WEF)
>>>President Klaus Schwab urged the West to acknowledge the mounting >>>"geo-strategic" importance of the Islamic world, calling for opening a >>>candid and all-inclusive dialogue to reach a just peace in the world.
>>
>>Sounds fair enough.
>>
>>>"The world Muslim population, 1.9 billion Muslims >>
>>Whoa! 1.9 billion! It's gone from 1 billion to 1.2 billion to 1.4
>>billion to 1.7 bilion to 1.9 billion in less than a month! I guess >>honesty and good accounting is out of the question, then. Not ideal >>grounds for an economic partnership.
> > > Aren't these numbers taken from population figures? I've seen one estimate > that there are as few as 700M practicing muslims. I know there are figures > which would count me as a christian, and lord know how far from the truth > that one is.

I don't know of any world religious census that uses metrics I am comfortable with. I know that some Princeton professors on world religions tend to use numbers of about 2 billion Christians and 1.1 billion Muslims worldwide, but as you say, what is at issue is actual practicing believers, and THOSE numbers may actually be quite modest.

For the US, I believe the CUNY survey can be taken as reliable. Their measurement methodology seems sound, but it is not popular amongst Muslims because it puts their US numbers as just under a million, and falling behind the faster-growing Hindus and Buhddists.

Mike
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