AUS RELIGION ISLAM 4 THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SAYS SORRY
From: "Dolf Boek" (dolf_boek@no-spam)
Subject: - The Catholic Church says Sorry
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:54:42 GMT


Isn't it remarkable, that the head Catholic paedophile prick {The paedophile pope de'Medici (1475-1521 CE, was Cardinal at 13 yo,
as Pope Leo X in 1513CE} is begging forgiveness in Croatia for crimes against humanity, whilst the Jesuits here in Australia just laugh off any moral obligation for their crimes against humanity.

Why don't we just revoke their right to Australian citizenship, and suggest that the political diplomats of Rome go back home to their Vatican state (population approx 600).

Afteral we sent the Iraqi diplomats home.

- dolf http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html









From: "Tony Smith" (tonyREMOVE@no-spam)
Subject: Re: - The Catholic Church says Sorry
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:46:49 +1000

"Dolf Boek" <dolf_boek@no-spam> wrote in message news:C7AJa.686$eG1.8224@no-spam > Isn't it remarkable, that the head Catholic paedophile prick {The paedophile > pope de'Medici (1475-1521 CE, was Cardinal at 13 yo,

Dolt Whatever meds they had you on when they let you out, are wearing off now aren't they....

Tony Smith

From: "Phil Allison" (philallison@no-spam)
Subject: Re: - The Catholic Church says Sorry
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:47:58 +1000

"Dolf Boek" <dolf_boek@no-spam> wrote in message news:HfBJa.757$eG1.9124@no-spam > The name is Dolf!
>
> I think Tony Smith values his opinion too highly. Perhaps we should ask God > {Yahweh--The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacab} how many > breaths he has before he expires!
>
> - dolf
** All the huffing and puffing TS does is bound to use up his quota earlier than the total number available might suggest.

Perhaps he has had a premonition of what awaits him.

................... Phil

From: "infidel" (infidel@no-spam)
Subject: Re: - The Catholic Church says Sorry
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 02:07:18 +1000

At first I thought you were Don Burke.
I was going to ask about Azalias.
"Burke's Backyard" on TV etc Dolf Boek or Don Burke?
No it's only Double Dutch again!
FA I.

"Dolf Boek" <dolf_boek@no-spam> wrote in message news:C7AJa.686$eG1.8224@no-spam > Isn't it remarkable, that the head Catholic paedophile prick {The paedophile > pope de'Medici (1475-1521 CE, was Cardinal at 13 yo,
> as Pope Leo X in 1513CE} is begging forgiveness in Croatia for crimes > against humanity, whilst the Jesuits here in Australia just laugh off any > moral obligation for their crimes against humanity.
>
> Why don't we just revoke their right to Australian citizenship, and suggest > that the political diplomats of Rome go back home to their Vatican state > (population approx 600).
>
> Afteral we sent the Iraqi diplomats home.
>
> - dolf > http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html >
>


From: "Tony Smith" (tonyREMOVE@no-spam)
Subject: Re: - The Catholic Church says Sorry
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 07:53:38 +1000

"Phil Allison" <philallison@no-spam> wrote in message news:3ef6f6cf$0$30819$afc38c87@no-spam >
> "Dolf Boek" <dolf_boek@no-spam> wrote in message > news:HfBJa.757$eG1.9124@no-spam > > The name is Dolf!
> >
> ** All the huffing and puffing TS does is bound to use up his quota earlier > than the total number available might suggest.
>
>
In your psychotropic drug induced dreams only autistic wobbly one.

Have you figured out the requisite mental and physical elements for the crime of assault yet?

I did give you a lead on a good textbook likely to be found at Lifeline/Salvos so it shouldn't impinge greatly on this fortnight's benefit/pension/allowance and will stand you in good stead into the future.

Best of all Law text books tend to be really thick. Good for that self administered snack across the forehead during one of your frequent "DOH!"
experiences.

Tony Smith

From: "LAD" (la.76de145ks02@no-spam)
Subject: Re: - The Catholic Church says Sorry
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:02:20 +1000

Please don't confuses Catholic Church & Anglican Church.

They are totally different.

Salutation LAD
"Dolf Boek" <dolf_boek@no-spam> wrote in message news:QfDJa.952$eG1.10984@no-spam > Dearest Yahweh,
>
> We as your people, come before you, as we have been troubled recently by a > certain Anglican Archbishop named Peter Jensen, who falsely claims to speak > on your behalf. It is my prayer, according to your promises, that you let > him know--that his soul will never enter into Eternity and have fellowship > with you. Be our defender and our righteousness and measure out your > justice upon him and those who would bruise the apple of your eye. Reward > them according to your word. Recompense those who have departed from you my > God {YAHWEH}.
>
>>> >
>>>>
>>>>

> > I think Tony Smith values his opinion too highly. Perhaps we should ask > God > > {Yahweh--The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacab} how > many > > breaths he has before he expires!
> >
> > - dolf >
>
>
> ** All the huffing and puffing TS does is bound to use up his quota earlier > than the total number available might suggest.
>
> Perhaps he has had a premonition of what awaits him.
>
>
>
> ................... Phil >
>
>
>
>


From: "Qolon" (telos@no-spam)
Subject: Re: - The Catholic Church says Sorry
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:27:51 GMT

Do you think Anglican Archbishop Peter Jensen is a card carrying member of the Mary Whiteside club?

- dolf http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html
"LAD" <la.76de145ks02@no-spam> wrote in message news:Q%RLa.79$oN.4024@no-spam Please don't confuses Catholic Church & Anglican Church.

They are totally different.

Salutation LAD
"Dolf Boek" <dolf_boek@no-spam> wrote in message news:QfDJa.952$eG1.10984@no-spam > Dearest Yahweh,
>
> We as your people, come before you, as we have been troubled recently by a > certain Anglican Archbishop named Peter Jensen, who falsely claims to speak > on your behalf. It is my prayer, according to your promises, that you let > him know--that his soul will never enter into Eternity and have fellowship > with you. Be our defender and our righteousness and measure out your > justice upon him and those who would bruise the apple of your eye. Reward > them according to your word. Recompense those who have departed from you my > God {YAHWEH}.
>
>>> >
>>>>
>>>>

> > I think Tony Smith values his opinion too highly. Perhaps we should ask > God > > {Yahweh--The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacab} how > many > > breaths he has before he expires!
> >
> > - dolf >
>
>
> ** All the huffing and puffing TS does is bound to use up his quota earlier > than the total number available might suggest.
>
> Perhaps he has had a premonition of what awaits him.
>
>
>
> ................... Phil >
>
>
>
>


From: "Qolon" (telos@no-spam)
Subject: Re: - The Catholic Church says Sorry
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 00:37:23 GMT

"LAD" <la.76de145ks02@no-spam> wrote in message news:k84Ma.387$oN.16078@no-spam You should ask Henry VIII why he organized his own church and cruelly persecuted the Catholics, and furthermore looted their property.

Salutations LAD
QOLON RESPONDS:
The time period you are talking about with Henry VIII is 1491-1547CE. I've included below some narrative on the theological issues of the day... The difference between them is the Grace shown by God to and by Queen Elizabeth and the lack of Grace which historically is the Roman Catholic Church.

If Sunday Sacred hymeneal occultists as a pretensious claim to Christianity,
take their theology from Pythagoras who as a 'Teletai' {ie. esoteric mystic}
borrowed from the "Orpheans, part from the Egyptian Priests; some from the Chaldeans and Magi; some from the Eleusinian Rites, and those of Imber, and Samo-Thracia, and Delos, and Celtae, and Iberians. Amongst the Latines also is read the Sacred Discourse of Pythagoras, not to all, but to such as are admitted to the doctrine of excellent things, and are not addicted to ought that is dishonest."

Dr. Erich Bischoff in his 1910 German publication of 'The Kabbalah - An Introduction to Jewish Mysticism & Its secret Doctrine' [ISBN 0-87728-564-0]
describes John Reuchlin as a "famous humanist and advocate of reformation,
an uncle of Melanchton, who was born the 28 December, 1455 in Pforzheim.
After he had studied Greek and Latin in Paris in 1473 he taught ancient language at The University of Basel from 1474-1478 and continued in Orleans after 1478. He also studied law there. In 1481 he taught jurisprudence and literature in Tubingen where he had a law practice. He became a favorite of Duke Eberhard, with whom he visited Italy where his knowledgeof the Greek language was highly prized. After carrying out several important missions for the Duke he returned to Italy in 1490 and learned Hebrew from Leone de Modena, a study which he continued with the Jewish personal physician to Emperor Maximilian, Jechiel Loans. In 1509 Maximilian ordered all Hebrew writings burned and Reuchlin, when asked for his opinion, protested heavily,
which resulted in the famous struggle with the Dominicans from Cologne and their sham, the baptized Jew Pfefferkorn. Reuchlin incurred a trial from the Inquisition which he, however, won in spite of the verdicts of the universities of Paris, Erfurts and Mainz. The famous verdict resulted from the dispute of the 'Obscure letters' (Epistole obscurorum vigorum) published by his followers, wherein his opponents [it is claimed] are rightly mocked."
[Bischoff 1998:74]

John Reuchlin initially published a Kabbalistic book in Latin titled De Verbo Mirifico ('On the Miracle-working Name') at Basle in the year 1495 CE and Tubingen in 1514 CE. The work, the first of its kind by a non-Jew,
regarded as a miracle of heavenly wisdom, sought to place the Christian Kabbalah system in the center of old heathen philosophies and considered that many of the doctrines of Pythagoras and Plato and the Persians before them, as having been taken from and not introduced into the wisdom of the Kabbalah. This view was 'elaborated by Meir ibn Gabbai and written in 1531
CE. The idea that the Kabbalah represented the lost tradition of the earliest state of mankind was familiar also to the 'Christian Kabbalists' of the late 15th & 16th centuries, such as Pico della Mirandola and Johannes Reuchlin." [© 1995 Gershom Scholem (1897-1985), Major Trends in Jewish Mysticism, p 21]

Christian Kabbalah occupied in the 16th century, an honored place in Italy and France and later in Germany and England with the likes of Dr. John Dee (1527-1608 CE) an Elizabethan Mystic and Astrologer with one of the largest personal libraries of his time, who had dedicaded his geometric Kabbalistic metathesis 'The Heiroglyphic Monad' to the Emperor of the Roman Empire,
Maximilian II in 1564 CE and taught it in detail to the Protestant Queen Elizabeth I. Although often accused of dabbling in occult spiritualism as the means to satisfy his enquiry into the Angelic orders of the metaphysical Kabbalah, the task of 'spirit medium' or 'skryer' although briefly in April 1587 undertaken by Dee's son Arthur and finally by Bartholemew Hickman in July 1607, was chiefly and fraudulently performed by two disreputable Catholic Priests Barnabas Saul and Edward Talbot {meaning Reward} (alias Edward Kelly), who by such means were able to provide direction to an unsuspecting and gullible Dee. The richness and sophisitication of Edward Kelly's visions and the combination of clear divine light and complex Kabbalistic formulae, was not only captivating, but convincing. [© 2001
Benjamin Woolley, "The Queen's Conjurer -- The Science and Magic of Dr Dee",
ISBN 0-00-257139-0, p 187.]

Such use of clairvoyance is second only in nature to the later representations made by Anglican cleric and Freemason Charles W. Leadbeater (1847-1934 CE), who presents extensive and meticulous research in observing superphysical phenomena and was one of the most distinguished clairvoyants of his day. [cf: Leadbeater: Freemasonary & its Ancient Mystic Rites; ISBN 0-517-20267-0]

Certainly Luther, Erasmus, and Melancthan had instruction from Reuchlin. It was by him that Schwartzerd had been taught to call himself Melancthon; and many will remember after his death, how Erasmus in a pleasant dialog, raised his old friend to the rank of saint and prayed to him, 'Oh, holy soul, be favourable to the languages; be favourable to those that love honorers of the languages; be propitious to the sacred tongues.' But Reuchlin never passed himself off as a reformer beyond the detestation of the vices of the priesthood. [Henry Cornelius Agrippa, The Philosophy of Natural Magic -
Symbol of the Universal Spirit of Nature, 1533 CE, p 227]

Reuchlin's book, which had been read by the Pope himself with eager pleasure, was a wonder of the day, and was in the most perfect unison with the whole tone of Cornelius Agrippa's mind; he really understood it deeply,
it was most dear to him as a theosophist, and he was not to be blamed if he felt, also that of all the books in the world there was none of which the exposition would so fully serve his purpose of displaying the extent and depth of his own store of knowledge." [Ibid, Agrippa, p 234]

Being upon this occasion chief of the Austin Friars, Aegidius of Viterbo (1465-1532 CE) once wrote of Reuchlin, that he "'had blessed him and all mortals by his works.' Philip Beroaldus, the younger, wrote to him, The 'Pope Julius II (as Giuliano Della Rovere 1443-1513 CE, as Pope in 1503) has read your Pythagorean book, as he reads all good books, greedily; then it was read by [13 yo] Cardinal de'Medici (1475-1521 CE, as Pope Leo X in 1513), and I am expecting next to have my turn.' Christian speculation about the Kabbalah continued to develop under the endowment of the Medicis in Florence where, at the Platonic Academy, it was pursued in close connection with the new horizons opened up by the Renaissance in general. These Florentine circles believed they had discovered in the Kabbalah an original divine revelation to mankind that had been lost and would now be restored.
With the aid of which it was possible not only to understand the teachings of Pythagoras, Plato, and the Orphics, all of whom they greatly admired, but also the secrets of the Catholic faith. The introduction of the Kabbalah into the Latin tongue and founder of this Christian school of Kabbalah,
according to Reuchlin'a comments in 'De arte cabalistica', was the renowned Florentine prodigy Giovanni Pico della Mirandola (1463-94 CE), who vainly believed on the basis of axiology, that he could prove the dogmas of the Trinity and the Incarnation on the basis of Kabbalistic axioms.
[Encyclopedia Judaica, © 1971 Keter Publishing House, Ltd, Jerusalem,
Israel]

Although an axiom is generally recognised as truth of an established and universally accepted rule. In logic, mathematics and the sciences, it is essentially a proposition which is assumed without proof for the sake of studying the consequences that follow from it. When Pico della Mirandola declared that "'no science yields greater proof of angels, purgatory,
hellfire, and the divinty of Christ than magic and the Kabbalah,' Pope Sixtus IV (1414-84 CE) 'was delighted and had the Kabbalah translated into Latin for the use of students of divinity." [cf: Gustav Davidson's Dictionary of Angels, p 24]

It is also to Aegidius (d. 1532 CE), a frequent recipient of Hebrew and Latin translations of former scholarly works, that the scribal colophon in the 1499-1504 CE edition of the Aramaic Targum Neofiti 1: Deuteronomy is presumed dedicated and perhaps by whom references to idols within the [Deuteronomy 4:1-26] text were eliminated by censorship. The term 'Neofiti'
was an appellation from Southern Italy applied to Jewish converts to Christianity--whose descendents were suspected of maintaining a secret alliance with Judaism. [Ref: Encyclopodia Judaica] Aegidius was by 1497, a Master of Theology and later became vicar general of the Augustinians in 1506; Prior General in 1507, and Cardinal in 1517. He was one of several Christian Kabbalists who made considerable effort to master the common ground between the Kabbalah and Christianity and this is reflected in his work Scechina and On the Hebrew Letters.

Reuchlin promulgated widely his 1517 De Arte Cabalistica ('On the Science of the Kabbalah') and articulated it by the notion popularly held amongst the Church Fathers, that when "God created the heaven and earth", it was allegorically interpreted to mean spirit and matter. Consistent with the views of bi-polar animastic belief held amongst primative religions, the spirit was thought comprised of transcendent heirarchies of angelic and other intelligent agencies, as ministers by whom the ways of man were considered influenced. Accordingly Voltaire in his 'Of Angels, Genii and Devils', defines Animastic as meaning 'The Animated' and thereby implies an order of angels as, 'blessed souls which, by the Hebrew, is called ISSIM,
that is nobles, lords and princes.' In addition to Animastic being claimed as the ruling or guardian angel of Moses, it is regarded as embodying the Kabbalistic order referred to by the appellation, 'the soul of the Messiah,
Metatron, soul of the world.' [Davidson, Dictionary of Angels, 1967]

That such as they, who bear only a symbollic and casual reference to the truth of Torah, cannot call themselves Christians. Perhaps this is what the 7th-day (Saturday) Sabbath keeping and Everlasting Covenant participant,
Hebrew Torah Scholar, Greek Philosopher and Christian Apostle Paul meant when he says, "...Chiefly because to [the Jews] were committed the Oracles {Logos} of God. For what if some did not believe? Will their unbelief make the faithfulness of God without effect? Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar.

As it is written:'That you may be found just when you speak, and blameless when you judge. Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me. Behold, you desire truth in the inward parts, and in the hidden part you will make me know wisdom. Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. Make me to hear joy and gladness, that the bones which you have broken may rejoice. Hide your face from my sins, and blot out all my iniquities. Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me. Do not cast me away from your presence, and do not take your Holy Spirit from me. Restore to me the joy of your salvation, and uphold me with your generous Spirit. Then I will teach transgressors your ways, and sinners shall be converted to you.'
[Psalms 51:4-13]

' But if our unrighteousness demonstrates the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unjust who inflicts wrath? (I speak as a man.)
Certainly not! For then how will God judge the world?

For if the truth of God has increased through my lie to his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner? And why not say, 'Let us do evil that good may come'?--as we are slanderously reported and as some affirm that we say.
Their condemnation is just. What then? Are we better than they? Not at all.
For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.'" [Romans 3:2-10]

- qolon http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html
"jg" <jg@no-spam> wrote in message news:BQ3Ma.382$oN.15794@no-spam >
> LAD <la.76de145ks02@no-spam> wrote in message > news:Q%RLa.79$oN.4024@no-spam > > Please don't confuses Catholic Church & Anglican Church.
> >
> > They are totally different.
> >
> That's funny, its supposed to be the same God, they share a mutual > recognition of validity, both have had paedophile trouble....... What > mistake has God made in letting either know his "true plan"?
>

QOLON NOTES:
But perchance if there is meagre substance to your claim to being a Christian, let us see it by demostrating what sort of Christian you are.

Provide us with an exegesis of the following Biblical texts, which appear indicative and central to the 7th-day (Saturday) Sabbath keeping and Everlasting Covenant participant, Hebrew Torah Scholar, Greek Philosopher and Christian Apostle Paul's theology: "If Abraham {father of a great multitude} in circa 40J4W in 2012 BCE was justified by works, he has something of which to boast, but not of God. For what does the Scritpure say?

'And Abram {high father} in circa 40J4W in 2012 BCE believed in the name of the Memra of the Lord {Lord of SABAOTH, Lord of Hosts, Shekinah, Holy Spirit, Word, Memra, Forces & Authority over Chaos} and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. And he said to him: 'I am the Lord who brought you out of the furnace of fire of the Chaldaeans {as demons, or as robbers}.
{ie. Ur {fire, light, a valley} of Chaldeans}.'" [© 1992 The Order of Saint Benedict, circa 1505 CE Aramaic Targum of Neofiti 1: Genesis 15:6-7]

Now to him who works {

eg: Sunday sacred sabbatarians and hymeneal occultists who marry and are given in marriage contrary to Jesus of Nazareth's sayings [Luke 17:22-30;
Matthew 22:29-32; Mark 12:24-27; Luke 20:34 -38] and who's New Testament theology as exegesis is obtained from the Chaldeans [Daniel 1:3-4] rather than the Torah: "There is a man in your kingdom in whom is the Spirit of the Holy God. And in the days of your father, light and understanding and wisdom, like the wisdom of the gods, were found in him; and King Nebuchadnezzar {tears and groans of judgment} your father--your father the king--made him chief of the magicians, astrologers, Chaldeans, and soothsayers. Inasmuch, as an excellent spirit, knowledge, understanding,
interpreting dreams, solving riddles, and explaining enigmas were found in this Daniel {God is my Judge}, whom the king named Belteshazzar {who lays up treasures in secret}, now let Daniel be called, and he will give the interpretation." [Daniel 5:11-12]

By contrast "...They say that Pythagoras (circa 580/570-c.500 BCE and contemporaneous to the Hebrews Babylonian captivity) was an imitator of the Orphean Constitutions, worshipping the gods after the manner of Orpheus,
placed in brazen images, not representing the forms of men, but of the gods themselves, who comprehending and foreseeing all things, resemble in nature and form the whole. He declared their purifications and rites, which are called 'Teletai', having the most exact knowledge of them. Moreover they affirm, he made a composition of the divine Philosophy and service, part whereof he had learned from the Orpheans, part from the Egyptian Priests;
some from the Chaldeans and Magi; some from the Eleusinian Rites, and those of Imber, and Samo-Thracia, and Delos, and Celtae, and Iberians.

Amongst the Latines also is read the Sacred Discourse of Pythagoras, not to all, but to such as are admitted to the doctrine of excellent things, and are not addicted to ought that is dishonest. It prescribes, that men offer libation thrice; and Apollo {one who destroys; destroyer} gives Oracles from a Tripod, because number first consists in a Triad. That we must sacrifice to Venus on the sixth day, because that is the first common number of the number of Universal Nature.

Now after all ways, the thing divided in like manner, assumes as well the power of those things which are taken away, as of those which are left.
That to Hercules we ought to sacrifice on the eight day of the Month, in respect of his being born at the end of seven Months." [Thomas Stanley,
Pythagoras, His Life and Teachings - Being a Photographic Facsimile of the 9th Section of the 1687 Edition of The History of Philosophy, p 545-546]

}, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. But to him who does not work but believes on him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, just as David {well belived; dear} in circa 1040 BCE also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

"Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
Blessed is the man to whom the LORD {YAHWEH} does not impute iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile. ... For this cause eveyone who is godly shall pray to you in a time you may be found; Surely in a flood of great waters they shall not come near him. You are my hiding place; You shall preserve me from trouble; You shall surround me with songs of deliverance.

I will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go; I will guide you with my eye. Do not be like the horse or like the mule, which have no understanding http://www.adventistreview.org/2003-1526/story2.html , which must be harnessed with bit and bridle, else they will not come near you." [©
1982 Nelson Thomas, New King James Bible, Psalms 32:1-2; 6-9]

Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness. How then was it accounted? While he has circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised." [[© 1982
Nelson Thomas, New King James Bible Romans 4:3-11]

"'...For the mountains shall depart and the hills be removed, but My kindness shall not depart from you, nor shall My covenant of peace be removed,' says the LORD, who has mercy on you. 'O you afflicted one, tossed with tempest, and not comforted, behold, I will lay your stones with colorful gems, and lay your foundations with sapphires. I will make your pinnacles of rubies, your gates of crystal, and all your walls of precious stones.

All your children shall be taught by the LORD, and great shall be the peace of your children. In righteousness you shall be established; You shall be far from oppression, for you shall not fear; And from terror, for it shall not come near you. Indeed they shall surely assemble, but not because of Me.
Whoever assembles against you shall fall for your sake. Behold, I have created the blacksmith who blows the coals in the fire, who brings forth an instrument for his work; And I have created the spoiler to destroy.

No weapon formed against you shall prosper, and every tongue which rises against you in judgment you shall condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is from Me," Says the LORD."
[© 1982 Nelson Thomas, New King James Version, Isaiah 54:10 -17]

- Qolon http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/


From: "Qolon" (telos@no-spam)
Subject: Re: - The Catholic Church says Sorry
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:56:12 GMT

Given that one of our nation's sons, Mel Gibson is about to release his testimony in film on the life of Jesus of Nazareth http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_795953.html , I think there is an important comment which needs to be made concerning his interview in a December 1991, where he is said to denouce gays.

It is essential that recognition is also given to his other views raised at the time where he is one of few individuals to have publically commented on the lack of historical continuity and biblical integrity which comprise Roman Catholic belief as it relates to that community of faith's traditional understanding of the astrological/numerological term: MALAKOS {

Which is derived from the Greek/Egyptian sophistic sciences {sarkikos sophia = Malakos where Mala means very; most in the greatest degree or particularly:-chiefly, most of all, especially} by a numerological (cosmism as ra=1) metathesis metaschematizo-{transform, of stars and planets,
changing of constellations; cf: Satan & his ministers are transformed into angels-aggelos of light-phos http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/moment.html#ZOON
} and Hymeneal Occultism as ARSENOKOITES {

ie. Sunday sacred sabbatarians and hymeneal occultists who marry and are given in marriage contrary to Jesus of Nazareth's sayings [Luke 17:22-30;
Matthew 22:29-32; Mark 12:24-27; Luke 20:34 -38] and who's New Testament theology as exegesis is obtained from the Chaldeans [Daniel 1:3-4] rather than the Torah http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/particular.html#TITLE
}:--
"Do I sound like a homosexual?" he asked. "Do I talk like them? Do I move like them?

"What happens is when you're an actor, they stick that label on you,"
Gibson said. "I go from playing rugby one week to taking dance classes in black leotards the next. Many of the girls that I met in school took it for granted that I was gay."

Gibson's holds extreme conservative views on other issues.

He has quit the Catholic Church because he believes the reforms of the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s went too far.

"For 1,950 years [the church] does one thing and then in the 60s, all of a sudden they turn everything inside out and begin to do strange things that go against the rules," he explained to El Pais.

"Everything that had been heresy is no longer heresy, according to the [new] rules. We [Catholics] are being cheated. ... The church has stopped being critical. It has relaxed. I don't believe them, and I have no intention of following their trends.

"It's the church that has abandoned me, not me who has abandoned it," he said.

Like the Catholic Church, Gibson opposes birth control, saying, "God is the only one who knows how many children we should have, and we should be ready to accept them." [Copyright ©1992 Rex Wockner and affiliated publications http://internetdump.com/users/glbtlasvegaslive/mgletter.html ]

Aegidius of Viterbo (1465-1532 CE) in writing of John Reuchlin's (1455-1522
CE) Kabbalistic work on the Hebrew letters which gave rise, due to computation error to the Y2K fiction and an insubstantial claim to Jesus Christ, notes that he "'had blessed him and all mortals by his works.'
Philip Beroaldus, the younger, wrote to him, The 'Pope Julius II (as Giuliano Della Rovere 1443-1513 CE, as Pope in 1503) has read your Pythagorean book, as he reads all good books, greedily; then it was read by Cardinal de'Medici (The Paedophile Pope 1475-1521 CE, as Cardinal at 13 yo,
Pope Leo X in 1513), and I am expecting next to have my turn.'

Christian speculation about the Kabbalah continued to develop under the endowment of the Medicis in Florence where, at the Platonic Academy, it was pursued in close connection with the new horizons opened up by the Renaissance in general. These Florentine circles believed they had discovered in the Kabbalah an original divine revelation to mankind that had been lost and would now be restored. With the aid of which it was possible not only to understand the teachings of Pythagoras, Plato, and the Orphics,
all of whom they greatly admired, but also the secrets and non-Christian basis of the Catholic faith.

When speaking of their dependency on the Pythagorean/Chaldean {demons,
robbers} interpretation rather than the Torah as conveyed by Hebrew Torah Scholar, Greek Philosopher and Christian Apostle Paul's use of those terms,
it is important to recognise his other comments on mysticism numerously given [1Thessalonians 4:3-9] and that Pythagoras (circa 580/570-c.500 BCE)
being contemporaneous to the Hebrews Babylonian captivity, was an imitator of the Orphean Constitutions, worshipping the gods after the manner of Orpheus, placed in brazen images, not representing the forms of men, but of the gods themselves, who comprehending and foreseeing all things, resemble in nature and form the whole. He declared their purifications and rites,
which are called 'Teletai' {

Where katharmoi (purification rites) of the Lower Mysteries and teletai (perfection of labours) pertaining to the Greater Mysteries of Bacchus,
whereby the thiaseuesthai (Initiate) is brought into the religious fraternity or organisation (thiasos)

But as the Hebrew/Christian Apostle Paul says, 'first-proton proved-dokimazo' {cf: 'ekponein edokimaze' he approved of their working}.
The stem word 'dokh' [as in 'Lord-Kurios is the avenger-ekdikos'] denotes that faith is active participation ie, 'tested in battle' as the most fundamental category in the human quest for relation to transcendence and therefore pushes aside an all too easy and passive identification of faith with religion or belief:

"For this is the will-thelema of God-theos, even your sanctification-hagiasmos, that ye should abstain from fornication-porneia {hymeneal mysticism}

That every-hekastos one of you {individually; any, both, each (one), every (man, one, woman)} should know-eido how to possess-ktaomai his vessel-skeuos {The Hebrew/Christian Apostle Paul was designated by Jesus Christ as the 'chosen-ekloge vessel-skeuos' within the early church [Acts 23:11-15]} in sanctification-hagiasmos and honour-timê; Not in the lust-pathos of concupiscence-epithumia {longing, desire; see: EPHESUS (desire); EVI as unjust, desirous, my desire}, even-kai as the Gentiles-ethnos which-ho know-eido not God-theos:

That no-me man go-huperbaino beyond-huperbaino {transcend} and defraud-pleonekteo his brother-adelphos in any matter-pragma: because-dioti that the Lord-Kurios is the avenger-ekdikos of all-pas such-touton, as we also-kai have forewarned-proepo you and testified-diamarturomai. For God-theos hath not called-kaleo us unto uncleanness-akatharsia (cf:
katharmoi (purification rites) of the Lower Mysteries and teletai (perfection of labours) pertaining to the Greater Mysteries of Bacchus,
whereby the thiaseuesthai (Initiate) is brought into the religious fraternity or organisation (thiasos); Arsenokoite/Arsenogenes [1Corinthians 6:9; 1 Timothy 1:10] = moral corruption concerning Everlasting Covenant Defilement), but unto holiness-hagiasmos. He therefore-toigaroun that despiseth-atheteo {to set aside, that is, (by implication) to disesteem,
neutralize or violate:-cast off, despise, disannul, frustrate, bring to nought, reject}, despiseth-atheteo not man-anthropos, but God-theos, who hath also-kai given-didomi unto us his holy-hagios Spirit-pneuma.

But as touching-peri brotherly-philadelphia love-philadelphia ye need-chreia {employment, that is, an affair; also (by implication) occasion, demand,
requirement or destitution:-business, lack, necessary (-ity), need (-ful),
use, want; cf: Apostolic succession [Acts 6:1-7]} not that I write-grapho unto you: for ye yourselves-autos are taught-theodidaktos of God-theodidaktos to love-agapao one-allelon another-allelon."
[1Thessalonians 4:3-9 ]

}, having the most exact knowledge of them. Moreover they affirm, he made a composition of the divine Philosophy and service, part whereof he had learned from the Orpheans, part from the Egyptian Priests; some from the Chaldeans and Magi; some from the Eleusinian Rites, and those of Imber, and Samo-Thracia, and Delos, and Celtae, and Iberians. Amongst the Latines also is read the Sacred Discourse of Pythagoras, not to all, but to such as are admitted to the doctrine of excellent things, and are not addicted to ought that is dishonest. The introduction of the Kabbalah into the Latin tongue and founder of this Christian school of Kabbalah, according to Reuchlin'a comments in 'De arte cabalistica', was the renowned Florentine prodigy Giovanni Pico della Mirandola (1463-94 CE), who vainly believed on the basis of axiology, that he could prove the dogmas of the Trinity and the Incarnation on the basis of Kabbalistic axioms.

Although an axiom is generally recognised as truth of an established and universally accepted rule. In logic, mathematics and the sciences, it is essentially a proposition which is assumed without proof for the sake of studying the consequences that follow from it. When Pico della Mirandola declared that "'no science yields greater proof of angels, purgatory,
hellfire, and the divinty of Christ than magic and the Kabbalah,' Pope Sixtus IV (1414-84 CE) 'was delighted and had the Kabbalah translated into Latin for the use of students of divinity." [cf: Gustav Davidson's Dictionary of Angels, p 24]

- Qolon http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/