AUS RELIGION ISLAM 5 RE PORK FORBIDDEN IN CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM
From: Mike Craney (mcraney@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Pork forbidden in Christianity and Islam?
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:05:01 GMT


Andre wrote:
>> Dude. Freed from the curse of the Law. Christ is the fulfillment of >> the Law.
>> Read the damn New Testament before you run your mouth.
> > > That's funny, one would think the words of God would never change; why > then should you worry about the old or the new testiment when words were > qouted from the bible. Makes you wonder, wouldn't you agree? :)

Not even a little. :-) :-) :-)

God and man were subject to a number of convenants, starting with God and Adam, moving on to God and Noah, then to God and Abraham, God and Moses, and finally God and man through His Son, Jesus Christ.

Here's a little quiz for you. During what period of time was man a vegetarian? Do some research and report back.

After you toy around with that a little bit, you'll realize that although God is unchanging, He is also merciful, and through His mercy man has lived with Him under different covenant relationships. Although the specifics of each appeared to differ, they were all, however, based on the concept of faith and love toward Him. That is in essence what is unchanging. This is laid out in an ad hoc fashion in the words of His Son Jesus Christ, and somewhat more systematically in the Book of Hebrews.

Now, if you (personally) wish to laserlock on the Mosaic covenant and exchew pork, that's your business, and in doing so you don't disturb God in the least, as ALL of his covenants are reflections of His righteousness.

Just don't go off and think that doing so has squat to do with your salvation. It doesn't.

Mike

From: Mike Craney (mcraney@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Pork forbidden in Christianity and Islam?
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:50:32 GMT

Andre wrote:
>> God and man were subject to a number of convenants, starting with God >> and Adam, moving on to God and Noah, then to God and Abraham, > > > So you believe in Abraham? And where may I ask Abraham lived?
No, because you're not responding to the issue in question here, that being the difference between 1) the unchanging nature of God, and 2) the changing convants between God and man, and 3) the action of faith. You put that question in play when you misunderstood the difference between 1) and 2) previous. Where you think Abraham hung his hat couldn't be less relevant to the theological issue.

<snip>
> > > His Son? Read my post where I've given references from the Old and New > testiment to him being His Son (God forbid).
I did. Old ground.

Mike

From: Mike Craney (mcraney@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Pork forbidden in Christianity and Islam?
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:01:16 GMT

Andre wrote:
> <snip>
> > cheers mate,
> Cheers.

Mike

Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:52:43 +1000
From: Andre (food_crazy@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Pork forbidden in Christianity and Islam?

> Unbeleivers will burn in hell, according to jewish scriptures, the > christian faith of Islam. Burning in Hell has nothing to do with us > killing anyone.
>

I meant the "...christian faith or Islam..."


Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:16:29 +1000
From: Andre (food_crazy@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Pork forbidden in Christianity and Islam?

Get a life, in when you do, start reading and researching all over again!

The Ayatollah of Rock 'n Rolla! wrote:
> Horse patootie. Abraham was from the city of Ur. Ishmael was his "bad seed".
> Ishmael is at war with the descendants of Isaac.
> "Andre" <food_crazy@no-spam> wrote in message > news:3EF6F3CB.8030600@no-spam > >>>God and man were subject to a number of convenants, starting with God >>>and Adam, moving on to God and Noah, then to God and Abraham,
>>
>>So you believe in Abraham? And where may I ask Abraham lived? And what >>house did Abraham build? That's a little quiz for you. I'll answer that >>for you: Ka'bah. He built that with his son Ismail. Abraham had no >>religion, and yes he believe in One God. God's religion started in >>Arabia with Ka'bah and perfected in Arabia with the same house of God.
>>
>>
>>>God and Moses, and finally God and man through His Son, Jesus Christ.
>>
>>His Son? Read my post where I've given references from the Old and New >>testiment to him being His Son (God forbid). God is One. He has no son,
>>stop insulting Jesus for God's sakes.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Here's a little quiz for you. During what period of time was man a >>>vegetarian? Do some research and report back.
>>>
>>>After you toy around with that a little bit, you'll realize that >>>although God is unchanging, He is also merciful, and through His mercy >>>man has lived with Him under different covenant relationships. Although >>>the specifics of each appeared to differ, they were all, however, based >>>on the concept of faith and love toward Him. That is in essence what is >>>unchanging. This is laid out in an ad hoc fashion in the words of His >>>Son Jesus Christ, and somewhat more systematically in the Book of >>
> Hebrews.
> >>>Now, if you (personally) wish to laserlock on the Mosaic covenant and >>>exchew pork, that's your business, and in doing so you don't disturb God >>>in the least, as ALL of his covenants are reflections of His >>
> righteousness.
> >>>Just don't go off and think that doing so has squat to do with your >>>salvation. It doesn't.
>>>
>>>Mike >>>
>>
> >