FFS !!!!!!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s895980.htm
Photos of prisoners, Aborigines used in target practice
It has been revealed that Queensland's Special Emergency Response Team is
using pictures of real people for target practice.
Police Minister Tony McGrady says he does not condone the practice and he
has asked Police Commissioner Bob Atkinson to investigate other methods of
training.
The images include photos of prisoners and Aborigines.
Commissioner Atkinson has told Channel Seven that members of the Hostage and
Counter Terrorism Unit need to train for real life hostage and terrorist
situations but he has apologised nonetheless.
"As a result of this regrettably being published if any person is identified
then on behalf of the police department and they're embarrassed by that then
I sincerely apologise to them," he said.
Community groups say they are outraged.
ATSIC Commissioner for Queensland South, Ray Robinson, has called for a
royal commission, saying police officers shooting photos of Aborigines sets
the reconciliation process back 30 years.
"It's a despicable act, I think it's outrageous in a country where we're
trying to achieve reconciliation between black and white Australians," he
said.
Civil libertarians are calling for a Crime and Misconduct inquiry, saying
the practice is absolutely appalling.
Cheers,
Jeff.
Jeff wrote:
> FFS !!!!!!
>
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s895980.htm
> Photos of prisoners, Aborigines used in target practice
>
> It has been revealed that Queensland's Special Emergency Response
> Team is using pictures of real people for target practice.
>
> Police Minister Tony McGrady says he does not condone the practice
> and he has asked Police Commissioner Bob Atkinson to investigate
> other methods of training.
>
> The images include photos of prisoners and Aborigines.
<snip>
Strange the article fails to mention that photos of white people were used
too, including photos of serving police officers. Talk about selective
journalism.
Mick wrote:
> Strange the article fails to mention that photos of white people were
> used too, including photos of serving police officers. Talk about
> selective journalism.
Was just thinking that myself, good to see the minority has the loudest
voice again.
-- Pete --
>> Souths - running like a well oiled machine..... just no fuel. <<
Pete <pete@no-spam> wrote:
> Mick wrote:
>> Strange the article fails to mention that photos of white people were
>> used too, including photos of serving police officers. Talk about
>> selective journalism.
>
> Was just thinking that myself, good to see the minority has the
> loudest voice again.
I agree with Jeff. It's sexist. The targets should have 50% female
representation.
Just like Leila Khaled said
"Shoot the Women First:"
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0679415963/
From Kirkus Reviews
A thoughtful if inconclusive study of female terrorists by a writer for The
Observer. Intrigued by the advice given to recruits of Interpol and European
antiterrorist squads to ``shoot the women first,'' MacDonald decided to find
out just ``why the less violent sex is regarded by anti-terrorist squads as
the more lethal.'' She met with female members of the Basque separatist
organization ETA, the PLO, the Intifada, the IRA, the Red Army, and the
Baader-Meinhof gang, as well as with international authorities on terror. In
South Korea, MacDonald interviewed Kim Hyon Hui, who planted the bomb that
killed all the passengers on board Korean Air Flight 858. Except for a
couple of terrorists like Kim, who shows symptoms of a ``borderline
personality,'' and like PLO member Leila Khaled, who's unable ``to put
herself into her victim's shoes,'' the women appear disarmingly normal and
unremarkable. Some, like Rita O'Hare of the IRA, see violence as a
``people's only weapon'' but admit that ``face to face is difficult.''
Others argue that violence is necessary for the struggle because, as one ETA
member puts it, ``with arms you can get the results very quickly.'' Many,
like Italian Red Brigade member Susanna Roncconi and German Red Army Faction
terrorist Astrid Proll, seem to have joined their movements out of strong
political and feminist convictions. Though experts note the role played by
such allegedly female traits as pragmatism, ruthlessness, and
industriousness, MacDonald comes to no firm conclusions. She does suggest
that significant factors include women's need to prove themselves, and the
opportunity to wield power, to be ``able to influence the world about you
instead of experiencing it passively.'' MacDonald raises as many questions
as she answers, but, by writing the first book on a disturbing subject,
she's also provided a useful and informative introduction. (Eight pages of
b&w photographs--not seen.) -- Copyright ©1992, Kirkus Associates, LP. All
rights reserved.
Sam
"Pete" <pete@no-spam> wrote in message
news:AX2Oa.253$Xx6.5395@no-spam
> Mick wrote:
> > Strange the article fails to mention that photos of white people were
> > used too, including photos of serving police officers. Talk about
> > selective journalism.
>
> Was just thinking that myself, good to see the minority has the loudest
> voice again.
Around asrl way the minority are still a minority. Noisy little pricks some
of them.
>
> -- Pete --
> >> Souths - running like a well oiled machine..... just no fuel. <<
>
>
Mick <mksharp.nospam@no-spam> shat the following logs:
> Jeff wrote:
>
>> FFS !!!!!!
>>
>>
>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s895980.htm
>> Photos of prisoners, Aborigines used in target practice
>>
>> It has been revealed that Queensland's Special Emergency Response
>> Team is using pictures of real people for target practice.
>>
>> Police Minister Tony McGrady says he does not condone the practice
>> and he has asked Police Commissioner Bob Atkinson to investigate
>> other methods of training.
>>
>> The images include photos of prisoners and Aborigines.
>
> <snip>
>
> Strange the article fails to mention that photos of white people were
> used too, including photos of serving police officers. Talk about
> selective journalism.
No surprise to see the Aborigines over-represented as targets in a shooting
gallery, eh Mick?
Cheers,
Jeff.
Pete <pete@no-spam> shat the following logs:
> Mick wrote:
>> Strange the article fails to mention that photos of white people were
>> used too, including photos of serving police officers. Talk about
>> selective journalism.
>
> Was just thinking that myself, good to see the minority has the
> loudest voice again.
Too many chips huh?
Cheers,
Jeff.
Jeff wrote:
> Mick <mksharp.nospam@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>> Jeff wrote:
>>
>>> FFS !!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s895980.htm
>>> Photos of prisoners, Aborigines used in target practice
>>>
>>> It has been revealed that Queensland's Special Emergency Response
>>> Team is using pictures of real people for target practice.
>>>
>>> Police Minister Tony McGrady says he does not condone the practice
>>> and he has asked Police Commissioner Bob Atkinson to investigate
>>> other methods of training.
>>>
>>> The images include photos of prisoners and Aborigines.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Strange the article fails to mention that photos of white people were
>> used too, including photos of serving police officers. Talk about
>> selective journalism.
>
> No surprise to see the Aborigines over-represented as targets in a
> shooting gallery, eh Mick?
It took you all day and thats the best response you could come up with?
Mick <mksharp.nospam@no-spam> shat the following logs:
> Jeff wrote:
>
>> Mick <mksharp.nospam@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>
>>>> FFS !!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s895980.htm
>>>> Photos of prisoners, Aborigines used in target practice
>>>>
>>>> It has been revealed that Queensland's Special Emergency Response
>>>> Team is using pictures of real people for target practice.
>>>>
>>>> Police Minister Tony McGrady says he does not condone the practice
>>>> and he has asked Police Commissioner Bob Atkinson to investigate
>>>> other methods of training.
>>>>
>>>> The images include photos of prisoners and Aborigines.
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Strange the article fails to mention that photos of white people
>>> were used too, including photos of serving police officers. Talk
>>> about selective journalism.
>>
>> No surprise to see the Aborigines over-represented as targets in a
>> shooting gallery, eh Mick?
>
> It took you all day and thats the best response you could come up
> with?
Terra Nullius mate..... empty land! The Aborigines aren't supposed to have
existed, so why don't the Qld emergency response units choose to go shoot up
some clumps of spinifex instead? It would make as much sense!
Interesting concept however that the indigenous population can be regarded
as erm.... potential terrorists. I mean what are they gonna do? Perpetrate a
terrorist act with a packet of stolen biscuits and a lawnmower, huh?
The road to reconciliation sure is a long way away in Australia.
Cheers,
Jeff.
Jeff wrote:
> Mick <mksharp.nospam@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>> Jeff wrote:
>>
>>> Mick <mksharp.nospam@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> FFS !!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s895980.htm
>>>>> Photos of prisoners, Aborigines used in target practice
>>>>>
>>>>> It has been revealed that Queensland's Special Emergency Response
>>>>> Team is using pictures of real people for target practice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Police Minister Tony McGrady says he does not condone the practice
>>>>> and he has asked Police Commissioner Bob Atkinson to investigate
>>>>> other methods of training.
>>>>>
>>>>> The images include photos of prisoners and Aborigines.
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> Strange the article fails to mention that photos of white people
>>>> were used too, including photos of serving police officers. Talk
>>>> about selective journalism.
>>>
>>> No surprise to see the Aborigines over-represented as targets in a
>>> shooting gallery, eh Mick?
>>
>> It took you all day and thats the best response you could come up
>> with?
>
> Terra Nullius mate..... empty land! The Aborigines aren't supposed to
> have existed, so why don't the Qld emergency response units choose to
> go shoot up some clumps of spinifex instead? It would make as much
> sense!
>
> Interesting concept however that the indigenous population can be
> regarded as erm.... potential terrorists. I mean what are they gonna
> do? Perpetrate a terrorist act with a packet of stolen biscuits and a
> lawnmower, huh?
This whole story is just media sensationalism at its best. For over 10
years police have been shooting at pictures of people. Some pictures were
of criminals, some of serving police officers, some of just plain ordinary
folk. They were just whatever pictures they could get hold of at the time.
There was no selection process, no profiling, no detailed analysis of
anything. They were just pictures. Indigenous police officers even shot at
them. My Brother even tells me some people even shot at pictures of
themselves.
Then some journalist comes along and creates something out of absolutely
nothing. There was no conspiracy, no nothing. Its just, as I said,media
sensationalism by some journo trying to make a name for himself.
Jeff wrote:
>
> Mick <mksharp.nospam@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>> Jeff wrote:
>>
>>> Mick <mksharp.nospam@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> FFS !!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s895980.htm
>>>>> Photos of prisoners, Aborigines used in target practice
>>>>>
>>>>> It has been revealed that Queensland's Special Emergency Response
>>>>> Team is using pictures of real people for target practice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Police Minister Tony McGrady says he does not condone the practice
>>>>> and he has asked Police Commissioner Bob Atkinson to investigate
>>>>> other methods of training.
>>>>>
>>>>> The images include photos of prisoners and Aborigines.
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> Strange the article fails to mention that photos of white people
>>>> were used too, including photos of serving police officers. Talk
>>>> about selective journalism.
>>>
>>> No surprise to see the Aborigines over-represented as targets in a
>>> shooting gallery, eh Mick?
>>
>> It took you all day and thats the best response you could come up
>> with?
>
> Terra Nullius mate..... empty land! The Aborigines aren't supposed to
> have existed, so why don't the Qld emergency response units choose to
> go shoot up some clumps of spinifex instead? It would make as much
> sense!
>
> Interesting concept however that the indigenous population can be
> regarded as erm.... potential terrorists. I mean what are they gonna
> do? Perpetrate a terrorist act with a packet of stolen biscuits and a
> lawnmower, huh?
Shag, after drinking all their metho, they're lethal weapons when they light
up their smoke. Talk about suicide bombing!
> The road to reconciliation sure is a long way away in Australia.
--
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Mick <mksharp.nospam@no-spam> shat the following logs:
> Jeff wrote:
>
>> Mick <mksharp.nospam@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mick <mksharp.nospam@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>>>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> FFS !!!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s895980.htm
>>>>>> Photos of prisoners, Aborigines used in target practice
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has been revealed that Queensland's Special Emergency Response
>>>>>> Team is using pictures of real people for target practice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Police Minister Tony McGrady says he does not condone the
>>>>>> practice and he has asked Police Commissioner Bob Atkinson to
>>>>>> investigate other methods of training.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The images include photos of prisoners and Aborigines.
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> Strange the article fails to mention that photos of white people
>>>>> were used too, including photos of serving police officers. Talk
>>>>> about selective journalism.
>>>>
>>>> No surprise to see the Aborigines over-represented as targets in a
>>>> shooting gallery, eh Mick?
>>>
>>> It took you all day and thats the best response you could come up
>>> with?
>>
>> Terra Nullius mate..... empty land! The Aborigines aren't supposed to
>> have existed, so why don't the Qld emergency response units choose to
>> go shoot up some clumps of spinifex instead? It would make as much
>> sense!
>>
>> Interesting concept however that the indigenous population can be
>> regarded as erm.... potential terrorists. I mean what are they gonna
>> do? Perpetrate a terrorist act with a packet of stolen biscuits and a
>> lawnmower, huh?
>
> This whole story is just media sensationalism at its best. For over
> 10 years police have been shooting at pictures of people. Some
> pictures were of criminals, some of serving police officers, some of
> just plain ordinary folk. They were just whatever pictures they
> could get hold of at the time. There was no selection process, no
> profiling, no detailed analysis of anything. They were just
> pictures. Indigenous police officers even shot at them. My Brother
> even tells me some people even shot at pictures of themselves.
Such anecdotal evidence may well be true to a limited extent, but it doesn't
alter the fact that shooting up aboriginal targets is 'insensitive' in the
extreme (as is the existence of the Nigger Brown Stand in Toowoomba) if the
reconciliation process is to be taken seriously.
> Then some journalist comes along and creates something out of
> absolutely nothing. There was no conspiracy, no nothing. Its just,
> as I said,media sensationalism by some journo trying to make a name
> for himself.
I recall someone in here (mentioning no names of course) saying exactly the
same thing last year when the Bulldogs salary cap rort was still considered
a rumour.
Bloddy journalists, eh?
Cheers,
Jeff.
Jeff <jeff9011spammo@no-spam> shat the following logs:
> Mick <mksharp.nospam@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>> Jeff wrote:
>>
>>> Mick <mksharp.nospam@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> FFS !!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s895980.htm
>>>>> Photos of prisoners, Aborigines used in target practice
>>>>>
>>>>> It has been revealed that Queensland's Special Emergency Response
>>>>> Team is using pictures of real people for target practice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Police Minister Tony McGrady says he does not condone the practice
>>>>> and he has asked Police Commissioner Bob Atkinson to investigate
>>>>> other methods of training.
>>>>>
>>>>> The images include photos of prisoners and Aborigines.
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> Strange the article fails to mention that photos of white people
>>>> were used too, including photos of serving police officers. Talk
>>>> about selective journalism.
>>>
>>> No surprise to see the Aborigines over-represented as targets in a
>>> shooting gallery, eh Mick?
>>
>> It took you all day and thats the best response you could come up
>> with?
>
> Terra Nullius mate..... empty land! The Aborigines aren't supposed to
> have existed, so why don't the Qld emergency response units choose to
> go shoot up some clumps of spinifex instead? It would make as much
> sense!
>
> Interesting concept however that the indigenous population can be
> regarded as erm.... potential terrorists. I mean what are they gonna
> do? Perpetrate a terrorist act with a packet of stolen biscuits and a
> lawnmower, huh?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s896181.htm
Why the fuss over targets, Qld police ask
<Well duh!>
The Queensland Police Union says it cannot understand the fuss over the use
of real photos for target practice.
<No surprises there>
Special Emergency Response Team officers have been using the photos,
including criminal mugshots and pictures of Aboriginal people, for
anti-terrorist training.
Civil libertarians and other community groups are outraged.
Union president Gary Wilkinson says he does not know whether there have ever
been any Aboriginal terrorists.
"I don't know but they're always threatening in the newspaper that they're
going to be. But that's irrelevant, I mean you're trying to get a
cross-section of the community, to prepare for all eventualities," he said.
<Aboriginals always threatening to be terrorists, huh?>
<LMAO at this insecure racist fuggwit>
"You're trying to get a situation where there could be Aboriginal hostages,
there could be Aboriginal terrorists, there could be white ones, there could
be, heaven forbid, Arab ones."
<Arab ones too, huh? Heaven forbid indeed!>
<So when is it gonna be High Noon at Woomera?>
Dr Clive Begg of the Prisoner Aid Organisation says it is unacceptable.
"What would be the response if the faces on those targets were of the Qld
Parliament? Did anyone check to make sure that the Premier's face wasn't
there for example, or the Police Minister's face who has had difficulties
with his union in the past?" he said.
Cheers,
Jeff.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s896728.htm
Target photos hark back to 'bad old days'
Some Indigenous Queenslanders plan to boycott a flag-raising ceremony at
Brisbane's police headquarters tomorrow to protest against the use of
photographs of real people for target practice.
The Queensland Police Service has come under fire for using real
photographs, including two of Aborigines, for anti-terrorism training.
The Australian and Torres Strait Islander Commission's (ATSIC's) south-east
Queensland commissioner, Robbie Williams, says he is shocked by the police
service's attitude.
He says he will not be attending tomorrow's raising of the Indigenous flag,
a planned National and Aboriginal Islander Day Observance Committee (NAIDOC)
week event.
He says community elders are disturbed by the photograph issue but they have
vowed not to let it overshadow the importance of NAIDOC week.
"They've come through the apartheid of the Bjelke Petersen years and in the
early '70s where they were bashed and knocked around with batons and kicked
and dragged across and chucked into paddy wagons and stuff like that," Mr
Williams said.
"It just looks like we're going back to the old days.
"We're going to stand strong now, we're not going to let things like that
happen now and affect our week, we won't cop that."
Mr Williams says ATSIC representatives will make their point of view known
to the Queensland Police commissioner today.
Cheers,
Jeff.
Jeff <jeff9011spammo@no-spam> wrote:
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s896728.htm
> Target photos hark back to 'bad old days'
>
> Some Indigenous Queenslanders plan to boycott a flag-raising ceremony
> at Brisbane's police headquarters tomorrow to protest against the use
> of photographs of real people for target practice.
>
> The Queensland Police Service has come under fire for using real
> photographs, including two of Aborigines, for anti-terrorism training.
Outrageous.
What's worse, only one of them is gay.
In future, at least half the photos must be of Wimmen of varying races.
Sam
Jeff <jeff9011spammo@no-spam> wrote:
> Union president Gary Wilkinson says he does not know whether there
> have ever been any Aboriginal terrorists.
Well yes, of course there has. And given our history wouldn't you expect
that?
> "I don't know but they're always threatening in the newspaper that
> they're going to be. But that's irrelevant, I mean you're trying to
> get a cross-section of the community, to prepare for all
> eventualities," he said.
>
> <Aboriginals always threatening to be terrorists, huh?>
> <LMAO at this insecure racist fuggwit>
Well actually yes, they threatened the Olympics. White Australia reacted
with a "sorry" campaign and an opening ceremony which painted the English in
a not so flattering light.
> "You're trying to get a situation where there could be Aboriginal
> hostages, there could be Aboriginal terrorists, there could be white
> ones, there could be, heaven forbid, Arab ones."
>
> <Arab ones too, huh? Heaven forbid indeed!>
> <So when is it gonna be High Noon at Woomera?>
Muslim would've been a better choice than Arab. JI is promising a terrorist
attack on Australian soil.
> Dr Clive Begg of the Prisoner Aid Organisation says it is
> unacceptable.
>
> "What would be the response if the faces on those targets were of the
> Qld Parliament? Did anyone check to make sure that the Premier's face
> wasn't there for example, or the Police Minister's face who has had
> difficulties with his union in the past?" he said.
They'd probably laugh.
Sam
Mick <mksharp.nospam@no-spam> wrote:
> This whole story is just media sensationalism at its best. For over
> 10 years police have been shooting at pictures of people. Some
> pictures were of criminals, some of serving police officers, some of
> just plain ordinary folk. They were just whatever pictures they
> could get hold of at the time. There was no selection process, no
> profiling, no detailed analysis of anything. They were just
> pictures. Indigenous police officers even shot at them. My Brother
> even tells me some people even shot at pictures of themselves.
>
> Then some journalist comes along and creates something out of
> absolutely nothing. There was no conspiracy, no nothing. Its just,
> as I said,media sensationalism by some journo trying to make a name
> for himself.
His next groundbreaking scoop could be about how the Australian Army has
been practicing war games for the last thirty years against an enemy
remarkably similar to Indonesia.
Sam
Anthony Swann <swanna@no-spam> wrote:
> So what you're saying is that it's "insensitive" to use Aboriginal
> targets, but that it doesn't matter if the photos are of
> non-Aboriginal people?
>
> I ask this because I seriously doubt you'd be jumping up and down
> about this issue if the story didn't mention anything about
> Aboriginal photos being used.
He's just jealous they don't have a picture of him.
Sam
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:23:28 +1000
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Jeff wrote:
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s896728.htm
> Target photos hark back to 'bad old days'
>
> Some Indigenous Queenslanders plan to boycott a flag-raising ceremony at
> Brisbane's police headquarters tomorrow to protest against the use of
> photographs of real people for target practice.
>
> The Queensland Police Service has come under fire for using real
> photographs, including two of Aborigines, for anti-terrorism training.
I must say I am surprised to find that it's only two photos of Aborigines
being used, considering the way that the press/media has been carrying on
over here. How many photos are being used in total?
> The Australian and Torres Strait Islander Commission's (ATSIC's) south-east
> Queensland commissioner, Robbie Williams,
*LOL* "I'd put my shagging boots away, but I can't seem to find the
closet".
Ant.
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:30:03 +1000
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Jeff wrote:
> Mick <mksharp.nospam@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>
> > This whole story is just media sensationalism at its best. For over
> > 10 years police have been shooting at pictures of people. Some
> > pictures were of criminals, some of serving police officers, some of
> > just plain ordinary folk. They were just whatever pictures they
> > could get hold of at the time. There was no selection process, no
> > profiling, no detailed analysis of anything. They were just
> > pictures. Indigenous police officers even shot at them. My Brother
> > even tells me some people even shot at pictures of themselves.
>
> Such anecdotal evidence may well be true to a limited extent, but it
> doesn't alter the fact that shooting up aboriginal targets is
> 'insensitive' in the extreme (as is the existence of the Nigger Brown
> Stand in Toowoomba) if the reconciliation process is to be taken
> seriously.
So what you're saying is that it's "insensitive" to use Aboriginal
targets, but that it doesn't matter if the photos are of non-Aboriginal
people?
I ask this because I seriously doubt you'd be jumping up and down about
this issue if the story didn't mention anything about Aboriginal photos
being used.
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Slippery Sam <sonof@no-spam> shat the following logs:
> Jeff <jeff9011spammo@no-spam> wrote:
>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s896728.htm
>> Target photos hark back to 'bad old days'
>>
>> Some Indigenous Queenslanders plan to boycott a flag-raising ceremony
>> at Brisbane's police headquarters tomorrow to protest against the use
>> of photographs of real people for target practice.
>>
>> The Queensland Police Service has come under fire for using real
>> photographs, including two of Aborigines, for anti-terrorism
>> training.
>
> Outrageous.
>
> What's worse, only one of them is gay.
>
> In future, at least half the photos must be of Wimmen of varying
> races.
>
> Sam
One of the photos should be of this tosser :-)
http://members.rogers.com/djslipperysam/
Cheers,
Jeff.
Jeff <jeff9011spammo@no-spam> wrote:
> Slippery Sam <sonof@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>> Jeff <jeff9011spammo@no-spam> wrote:
>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s896728.htm
>>> Target photos hark back to 'bad old days'
>>>
>>> Some Indigenous Queenslanders plan to boycott a flag-raising
>>> ceremony at Brisbane's police headquarters tomorrow to protest
>>> against the use of photographs of real people for target practice.
>>>
>>> The Queensland Police Service has come under fire for using real
>>> photographs, including two of Aborigines, for anti-terrorism
>>> training.
>>
>> Outrageous.
>>
>> What's worse, only one of them is gay.
>>
>> In future, at least half the photos must be of Wimmen of varying
>> races.
>>
>> Sam
>
> One of the photos should be of this tosser :-)
>
> http://members.rogers.com/djslipperysam/
Don't like "Pakis" much do you?
Sam
Anthony Swann <swanna@no-spam> whilst enjoying the
feel of that sweet, sweet wood moaned:
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Jeff wrote:
>
>> Mick <mksharp.nospam@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>>
>>> This whole story is just media sensationalism at its best.
>>> For over 10 years police have been shooting at pictures of
>>> people. Some pictures were of criminals, some of serving
>>> police officers, some of just plain ordinary folk. They
>>> were just whatever pictures they could get hold of at the
>>> time. There was no selection process, no profiling, no
>>> detailed analysis of anything. They were just pictures.
>>> Indigenous police officers even shot at them. My Brother
>>> even tells me some people even shot at pictures of
>>> themselves.
>>
>> Such anecdotal evidence may well be true to a limited extent,
>> but it doesn't alter the fact that shooting up aboriginal
>> targets is 'insensitive' in the extreme (as is the existence
>> of the Nigger Brown Stand in Toowoomba) if the reconciliation
>> process is to be taken seriously.
>
> So what you're saying is that it's "insensitive" to use
> Aboriginal targets, but that it doesn't matter if the photos are
> of non-Aboriginal people?
> I ask this because I seriously doubt you'd be jumping up and
> down about this issue if the story didn't mention anything about
> Aboriginal photos being used.
What other group where there's meant to be a reconciliation process
in place were set up as targets?
Daniel.
Oswald P Wrong <ossiepwrong@no-spam> wrote:
>> One of the photos should be of this tosser :-)
>>
>> http://members.rogers.com/djslipperysam/
>>
>
> He's 5'6"
>
> Way too tall.
>
> 'Sam' is only 5'2" according to my records :-)
Speaking of your records.
I've just been listening to your Dexter Radley project.
Now I understand why you're so fixated on the Middle East.
You're in love with the men:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Campus/5876/listen.to.dexter.htm
Night In Cairo
Pharaoh took me too his side
He say you don't have to hide
Took me on a camel ride
On a Night in Cairo
Then he took me to his tomb
And he took me in a room
He say I'll back real soon
On a Night in Cairo
Now if only you could convince your buddy Jeff to be more open with his
homoerotic fantasies. I'm sure he'd feel better with it out in the open.
Sam
Slippery Sam <sonof@no-spam> shat the following logs:
> Jeff <jeff9011spammo@no-spam> wrote:
>> Union president Gary Wilkinson says he does not know whether there
>> have ever been any Aboriginal terrorists.
>
> Well yes, of course there has. And given our history wouldn't you
> expect that?
From Whitey Australia, yes! There's been 214 years of terrorism inflicted on
the indigenous peoples after all.
Cheers,
Jeff.
Anthony Swann <swanna@no-spam> shat the following logs:
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Jeff wrote:
>
>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s896728.htm
>> Target photos hark back to 'bad old days'
>>
>> Some Indigenous Queenslanders plan to boycott a flag-raising
>> ceremony at Brisbane's police headquarters tomorrow to protest
>> against the use of photographs of real people for target practice.
>>
>> The Queensland Police Service has come under fire for using real
>> photographs, including two of Aborigines, for anti-terrorism
>> training.
>
> I must say I am surprised to find that it's only two photos of
> Aborigines being used
Oh.... you expected more?
> considering the way that the press/media has
> been carrying on over here.
Can you spell *R E C O N C I L I A T I O N* Pat?
Cheers,
Jeff.
Anthony Swann <swanna@no-spam> shat the following logs:
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Jeff wrote:
>
>> Mick <mksharp.nospam@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>>
>>> This whole story is just media sensationalism at its best. For over
>>> 10 years police have been shooting at pictures of people. Some
>>> pictures were of criminals, some of serving police officers, some of
>>> just plain ordinary folk. They were just whatever pictures they
>>> could get hold of at the time. There was no selection process, no
>>> profiling, no detailed analysis of anything. They were just
>>> pictures. Indigenous police officers even shot at them. My Brother
>>> even tells me some people even shot at pictures of themselves.
>>
>> Such anecdotal evidence may well be true to a limited extent, but it
>> doesn't alter the fact that shooting up aboriginal targets is
>> 'insensitive' in the extreme (as is the existence of the Nigger Brown
>> Stand in Toowoomba) if the reconciliation process is to be taken
>> seriously.
>
> So what you're saying is that it's "insensitive" to use Aboriginal
> targets
Absofookinglutely.
Hint: R E C O N C I L I A T I O N !!!!!!
> I ask this because I seriously doubt you'd be jumping up and down
> about this issue if the story didn't mention anything about
> Aboriginal photos being used.
I've noticed your knee jerking once again mate.
Cheers,
Jeff.
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:43:23 +1000
On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Jeff wrote:
> Anthony Swann <swanna@no-spam> shat the following logs:
> > On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Jeff wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s896728.htm
> >> Target photos hark back to 'bad old days'
> >>
> >> Some Indigenous Queenslanders plan to boycott a flag-raising
> >> ceremony at Brisbane's police headquarters tomorrow to protest
> >> against the use of photographs of real people for target practice.
> >>
> >> The Queensland Police Service has come under fire for using real
> >> photographs, including two of Aborigines, for anti-terrorism
> >> training.
> >
> > I must say I am surprised to find that it's only two photos of
> > Aborigines being used
>
> Oh.... you expected more?
The way that the media and people like yourself have been carrying on, I
was under the impression that the only photos used were those of
Aborigines.
That's why I was surprised to find that it was only "two" (I say "two"
because news.com.au gave the number as being "three").
> > considering the way that the press/media has
> > been carrying on over here.
>
> Can you spell *R E C O N C I L I A T I O N* Pat?
If you were serious about "reconciliation", then surely you would be
objecting to the use of ALL photos in the target practice mentioned in the
story.
To me, it appears that you are using this as a means to beat a political
drum. By objecting to the use of photos of Aborigines while not
mentioning anything about the other photos, you are creating a race issue
from nothing.
Or do you believe that it's perfectly okay to shoot at photos of whitey,
but that it's wrong to shoot at photos of blacky?
If it was only photos of Aboriginies used in the target practice, I would
also certainly be objecting as it would then be an issue of race.
However, seeing as photos of people from different descents were used,
I don't see why this should be twisted into being an issue about race.
Ant.
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Jeff <jeff9011spammo@no-spam> whilst enjoying the feel of
that sweet, sweet wood moaned:
> DaNRL <asrltopposter@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>> Anthony Swann <swanna@no-spam> whilst enjoying the
>> feel of that sweet, sweet wood moaned:
>>
>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Jeff wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mick <mksharp.nospam@no-spam> shat the following
>>>> logs:
>>>>
>>>>> This whole story is just media sensationalism at its best.
>>>>> For over 10 years police have been shooting at pictures of
>>>>> people. Some pictures were of criminals, some of serving
>>>>> police officers, some of just plain ordinary folk. They
>>>>> were just whatever pictures they could get hold of at the
>>>>> time. There was no selection process, no profiling, no
>>>>> detailed analysis of anything. They were just pictures.
>>>>> Indigenous police officers even shot at them. My Brother
>>>>> even tells me some people even shot at pictures of
>>>>> themselves.
>>>>
>>>> Such anecdotal evidence may well be true to a limited
>>>> extent, but it doesn't alter the fact that shooting up
>>>> aboriginal targets is 'insensitive' in the extreme (as is
>>>> the existence of the Nigger Brown Stand in Toowoomba) if
>>>> the reconciliation process is to be taken seriously.
>>>
>>> So what you're saying is that it's "insensitive" to use
>>> Aboriginal targets, but that it doesn't matter if the photos
>>> are of non-Aboriginal people?
>>
>>> I ask this because I seriously doubt you'd be jumping up and
>>> down about this issue if the story didn't mention anything
>>> about Aboriginal photos being used.
>>
>> What other group where there's meant to be a reconciliation
>> process in place were set up as targets?
>
> <round of applause>
>
> Ockasionally you make sense.
>
> I'll have to reconsider not killfiling you after all :-)
Gee thanks
No really :->
Daniel.
Jeff <jeff9011spammo@no-spam> wrote:
> Slippery Sam <sonof@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>> Jeff <jeff9011spammo@no-spam> wrote:
>>> Union president Gary Wilkinson says he does not know whether there
>>> have ever been any Aboriginal terrorists.
>>
>> Well yes, of course there has. And given our history wouldn't you
>> expect that?
>
> From Whitey Australia, yes! There's been 214 years of terrorism
> inflicted on the indigenous peoples after all.
Cripes shag. You're so f*ggen right.
It's outrageous. Why hasn't our joint head of state, the English-backed
Queen of the British Commonwealth done something about it? Why does she
allow these poor homeless starving underprivileged indigenous heroes to be
packraped every morning by the vicous capitalist Anglo Saxon tribe from
England?
As fellow white brothers of the British Commonwealth we must provide food
and shelter to these savages. Do you have an address where I can send a food
parcel?
The poor f*ggin savages can't be expected to fend for themselves, with only
the piss-weak wad of money, shelter and cars dumped on them by the heartless
white homos.
Dave
"Jeff" <jeff9011spammo@no-spam> wrote in message
news:bead9a$2un8h$1@no-spam
> FFS !!!!!!
Jeeze.
There's no pleasin' some people.
At least it's only photos at present...
This is a suprising improvement...
CP
"Jeff" <jeff9011spammo@no-spam> wrote in message
news:bef8fg$4a9tf$1@no-spam
> DaNRL <asrltopposter@no-spam> shat the following logs:
> > Anthony Swann <swanna@no-spam> whilst enjoying the
> > feel of that sweet, sweet wood moaned:
> >
> >> On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Jeff wrote:
> >>
> >>> Mick <mksharp.nospam@no-spam> shat the following logs:
> >>>
> >>>> This whole story is just media sensationalism at its best.
> >>>> For over 10 years police have been shooting at pictures of
> >>>> people. Some pictures were of criminals, some of serving
> >>>> police officers, some of just plain ordinary folk. They
> >>>> were just whatever pictures they could get hold of at the
> >>>> time. There was no selection process, no profiling, no
> >>>> detailed analysis of anything. They were just pictures.
> >>>> Indigenous police officers even shot at them. My Brother
> >>>> even tells me some people even shot at pictures of
> >>>> themselves.
> >>>
> >>> Such anecdotal evidence may well be true to a limited extent,
> >>> but it doesn't alter the fact that shooting up aboriginal
> >>> targets is 'insensitive' in the extreme (as is the existence
> >>> of the Nigger Brown Stand in Toowoomba) if the reconciliation
> >>> process is to be taken seriously.
> >>
> >> So what you're saying is that it's "insensitive" to use
> >> Aboriginal targets, but that it doesn't matter if the photos are
> >> of non-Aboriginal people?
> >
> >> I ask this because I seriously doubt you'd be jumping up and
> >> down about this issue if the story didn't mention anything about
> >> Aboriginal photos being used.
> >
> > What other group where there's meant to be a reconciliation
process
> > in place were set up as targets?
>
> <round of applause>
>
> Ockasionally you make sense.
>
> I'll have to reconsider not killfiling you after all :-)
Steady on , Jeff.
Don't speak or decide in haste...
CP
Chris Parslow <chrisnp@no-spam> whilst enjoying the feel of
that sweet, sweet wood moaned:
> "Jeff" <jeff9011spammo@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:bef8fg$4a9tf$1@no-spam
>> DaNRL <asrltopposter@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>>> Anthony Swann <swanna@no-spam> whilst enjoying
>>> the feel of that sweet, sweet wood moaned:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Jeff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mick <mksharp.nospam@no-spam> shat the following
>>>>> logs:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This whole story is just media sensationalism at its best.
>>>>>> For over 10 years police have been shooting at pictures of
>>>>>> people. Some pictures were of criminals, some of serving
>>>>>> police officers, some of just plain ordinary folk. They
>>>>>> were just whatever pictures they could get hold of at the
>>>>>> time. There was no selection process, no profiling, no
>>>>>> detailed analysis of anything. They were just pictures.
>>>>>> Indigenous police officers even shot at them. My Brother
>>>>>> even tells me some people even shot at pictures of
>>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> Such anecdotal evidence may well be true to a limited
>>>>> extent, but it doesn't alter the fact that shooting up
>>>>> aboriginal targets is 'insensitive' in the extreme (as is
>>>>> the existence of the Nigger Brown Stand in Toowoomba) if
>>>>> the reconciliation process is to be taken seriously.
>>>>
>>>> So what you're saying is that it's "insensitive" to use
>>>> Aboriginal targets, but that it doesn't matter if the
>>>> photos are of non-Aboriginal people?
>>>
>>>> I ask this because I seriously doubt you'd be jumping up and
>>>> down about this issue if the story didn't mention anything
>>>> about Aboriginal photos being used.
>>>
>>> What other group where there's meant to be a reconciliation
>>> process in place were set up as targets?
>> <round of applause>
>> Ockasionally you make sense.
>> I'll have to reconsider not killfiling you after all :-)
> Steady on , Jeff.
> Don't speak or decide in haste...
Don't worry CP Jiff'll never killfile me ... he loves me too much
Daniel.
Anthony Swann <swanna@no-spam> shat the following logs:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Jeff wrote:
>
>> Anthony Swann <swanna@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Jeff wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s896728.htm
>>>> Target photos hark back to 'bad old days'
>>>>
>>>> Some Indigenous Queenslanders plan to boycott a flag-raising
>>>> ceremony at Brisbane's police headquarters tomorrow to protest
>>>> against the use of photographs of real people for target practice.
>>>>
>>>> The Queensland Police Service has come under fire for using real
>>>> photographs, including two of Aborigines, for anti-terrorism
>>>> training.
>>>
>>> I must say I am surprised to find that it's only two photos of
>>> Aborigines being used
>>
>> Oh.... you expected more?
>
> The way that the media and people like yourself have been carrying
> on, I was under the impression that the only photos used were those of
> Aborigines.
I agree..... you are way too impressionable.
Wanna start thinking for yourself for a change?
Start by wiping that 'rouge' off your neck first.
> That's why I was surprised to find that it was only "two" (I say "two"
> because news.com.au gave the number as being "three").
Translation:
Only two Abos lined up? Queensland Cops must try harder!
>>> considering the way that the press/media has
>>> been carrying on over here.
>>
>> Can you spell *R E C O N C I L I A T I O N* Pat?
>
> If you were serious about "reconciliation", then surely you would be
> objecting to the use of ALL photos in the target practice mentioned
> in the story.
>
> To me, it appears that you are using this as a means to beat a
> political drum. By objecting to the use of photos of Aborigines
> while not mentioning anything about the other photos, you are
> creating a race issue from nothing.
>
> Or do you believe that it's perfectly okay to shoot at photos of
> whitey, but that it's wrong to shoot at photos of blacky?
Feel free to point out where I've said it's ok to shoot at photos of Whitey.
> If it was only photos of Aboriginies used in the target practice, I
> would also certainly be objecting as it would then be an issue of
> race. However, seeing as photos of people from different descents
> were used,
>
> I don't see why this should be twisted into being an issue about race.
You don't see it as being an issue about race huh?
ROLF
You obviously didn't read the comments from the Police Union Chief Gary
Wilkinson, did you? Or perhaps you did but you saw no problem with those
comments.
"You're trying to get a situation where there could be Aboriginal hostages,
there could be Aboriginal terrorists, there could be white ones, there could
be - heaven forbid - Arab ones" (Wilkinson)
No problem with police racism in that statement is there Pat?
No Sirree..... Yeeeee Haaaaaa!
And here's another racist gem from Wilkinson:
"GERALD TOOTH: And as to the question of whether there have ever been any
Aboriginal terrorists which would warrant the use of their images?"
"GARY WILKINSON: I don't know, but they're always threatening in the
newspaper that they're going to be"
I'd suggest that the operative word in amongst that quote above is the word
"they", which is hardly a pointer to the existence of a police mindset
geared towards reconciliation now is it?
Cheers,
Jeff.
Anthony Swann <swanna@no-spam> shat the following logs:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Jeff wrote:
>
>> Anthony Swann <swanna@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Jeff wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mick <mksharp.nospam@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>>>>
>>>>> This whole story is just media sensationalism at its best. For
>>>>> over 10 years police have been shooting at pictures of people.
>>>>> Some pictures were of criminals, some of serving police officers,
>>>>> some of just plain ordinary folk. They were just whatever
>>>>> pictures they could get hold of at the time. There was no
>>>>> selection process, no profiling, no detailed analysis of
>>>>> anything. They were just pictures. Indigenous police officers
>>>>> even shot at them. My Brother even tells me some people even
>>>>> shot at pictures of themselves.
>>>>
>>>> Such anecdotal evidence may well be true to a limited extent, but
>>>> it doesn't alter the fact that shooting up aboriginal targets is
>>>> 'insensitive' in the extreme (as is the existence of the Nigger
>>>> Brown Stand in Toowoomba) if the reconciliation process is to be
>>>> taken seriously.
>>>
>>> So what you're saying is that it's "insensitive" to use Aboriginal
>>> targets
>>
>> Absofookinglutely.
>> Hint: R E C O N C I L I A T I O N !!!!!!
>
> Nice try. Now try addressing the whole statement that I put to you
> originally:
>
> -----
>
> So what you're saying is that it's "insensitive" to use Aboriginal
> targets, but that it doesn't matter if the photos are of
> non-Aboriginal people?
Given the genocidal history/mass slaughter of Aborigines in Australia at the
hands of Whitey, I'd say it's far more insensitive to be using Aboriginal
targets when there's allegedly a reconciliation process going on, wouldn't
you?
> Why are you only objecting to the use of Aboriginal photos, but not
> the other ones?
Feel free to point out where I've mentioned that I'm comfortable with photos
of Whitey being used.
>>> I ask this because I seriously doubt you'd be jumping up and down
>>> about this issue if the story didn't mention anything about
>>> Aboriginal photos being used.
>>
>> I've noticed your knee jerking once again mate.
>
> At least it's not my hand, mate. :-)
>
> As I have said in another post, if the photos were exclusively
> Aboriginal photos, then I'd be objecting strongly as well.
Well I'm not aware of any examples of Aboriginal terrorism... are you?
> However,
> it simply looks like you're trying to create a race issue out of
> this, which is hardly helpful to anyone.
Another of Pat's knee-jerk sessions on any issue regarding the plight of
Aborigines duly noted.
Cheers,
Jeff.
Chris Parslow <chrisnp@no-spam> shat the following logs:
> "Jeff" <jeff9011spammo@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:bef8fg$4a9tf$1@no-spam
>> DaNRL <asrltopposter@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>>> Anthony Swann <swanna@no-spam> whilst enjoying the
>>> feel of that sweet, sweet wood moaned:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Jeff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mick <mksharp.nospam@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This whole story is just media sensationalism at its best.
>>>>>> For over 10 years police have been shooting at pictures of
>>>>>> people. Some pictures were of criminals, some of serving
>>>>>> police officers, some of just plain ordinary folk. They
>>>>>> were just whatever pictures they could get hold of at the
>>>>>> time. There was no selection process, no profiling, no
>>>>>> detailed analysis of anything. They were just pictures.
>>>>>> Indigenous police officers even shot at them. My Brother
>>>>>> even tells me some people even shot at pictures of
>>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> Such anecdotal evidence may well be true to a limited extent,
>>>>> but it doesn't alter the fact that shooting up aboriginal
>>>>> targets is 'insensitive' in the extreme (as is the existence
>>>>> of the Nigger Brown Stand in Toowoomba) if the reconciliation
>>>>> process is to be taken seriously.
>>>>
>>>> So what you're saying is that it's "insensitive" to use
>>>> Aboriginal targets, but that it doesn't matter if the photos are
>>>> of non-Aboriginal people?
>>>
>>>> I ask this because I seriously doubt you'd be jumping up and
>>>> down about this issue if the story didn't mention anything about
>>>> Aboriginal photos being used.
>>>
>>> What other group where there's meant to be a reconciliation process
>>> in place were set up as targets?
>>
>> <round of applause>
>>
>> Ockasionally you make sense.
>>
>> I'll have to reconsider not killfiling you after all :-)
>
>
> Steady on , Jeff.
>
> Don't speak or decide in haste...
ROLF
Cheers,
Jeff.
"Oswald P Wrong" <ossiepwrong@no-spam> wrote in message
news:3f199294.10309568@no-spam
> I couldn't help but notice that
> "SiD" <slave@no-spam>, Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:44:32 +1200,
> blew it out his posterior thusly:
>
> >Does Bush know about this??
> >
> >Seriously .................i wonder what is wrong witht he universal
picture
> >of a Bullseye??....or even those pictures of the totally black waist to
head
> >pics?
> >
> >SiD
>
> In Queensland they've started using a picture of a Kiwi jokers arse.
Last time i was in QL .....a few years ago now ....i got proprositioned by a
dood holidaying from newcastle....lol....luckily i was old enuff to know a
sleazo when ya see one.
altho i did get a coroneto?? (commonly known as a tip top trumpet over here)
out of the chat.
>
> Apparently the aim of 9 out of 10 Queensland cops has improved
> something severe.
bummer!!
SiD
"Oswald P Wrong" <ossiepwrong@no-spam> wrote in message
news:3f162d1b.6656064@no-spam
> I couldn't help but notice that
> "SiD" <slave@no-spam>, Sun, 13 Jul 2003 16:12:18 +1200,
> blew it out his posterior thusly:
>
> >>
> >> In Queensland they've started using a picture of a Kiwi jokers arse.
> >
> >
> >Last time i was in QL .....a few years ago now ....i got proprositioned
by a
> >dood holidaying from newcastle....lol....luckily i was old enuff to know
a
> >sleazo when ya see one.
>
> Well spotted. Was he a good root?
>
> :-)
He woulda been but i could'nt get must the eraser sticking out his ass
SiD
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:59:15 +1000
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Jeff wrote:
> Anthony Swann <swanna@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>
> >>> considering the way that the press/media has
> >>> been carrying on over here.
> >>
> >> Can you spell *R E C O N C I L I A T I O N* Pat?
> >
> > If you were serious about "reconciliation", then surely you would be
> > objecting to the use of ALL photos in the target practice mentioned
> > in the story.
> >
> > To me, it appears that you are using this as a means to beat a
> > political drum. By objecting to the use of photos of Aborigines
> > while not mentioning anything about the other photos, you are
> > creating a race issue from nothing.
> >
> > Or do you believe that it's perfectly okay to shoot at photos of
> > whitey, but that it's wrong to shoot at photos of blacky?
>
> Feel free to point out where I've said it's ok to shoot at photos of Whitey.
You don't seem to be objecting to it. Why is that?
> > If it was only photos of Aboriginies used in the target practice, I
> > would also certainly be objecting as it would then be an issue of
> > race. However, seeing as photos of people from different descents
> > were used,
> >
> > I don't see why this should be twisted into being an issue about race.
>
> You don't see it as being an issue about race huh?
>
> ROLF
No I don't. I do see it as an issue about the manner in which police are
trained to shoot to kill (which I don't agree with).
> You obviously didn't read the comments from the Police Union Chief Gary
> Wilkinson, did you? Or perhaps you did but you saw no problem with those
> comments.
>
> "You're trying to get a situation where there could be Aboriginal hostages,
> there could be Aboriginal terrorists, there could be white ones, there could
> be - heaven forbid - Arab ones" (Wilkinson)
>
> No problem with police racism in that statement is there Pat?
> No Sirree..... Yeeeee Haaaaaa!
Obviously your sarcasm detector isn't in working order.
> And here's another racist gem from Wilkinson:
>
> "GERALD TOOTH: And as to the question of whether there have ever been any
> Aboriginal terrorists which would warrant the use of their images?"
>
> "GARY WILKINSON: I don't know, but they're always threatening in the
> newspaper that they're going to be"
>
> I'd suggest that the operative word in amongst that quote above is the word
> "they",
He was asked a question exclusively about Aborigines. How else was he
expected to reply?
> which is hardly a pointer to the existence of a police mindset geared
> towards reconciliation now is it?
If you want to twist it to mean that, then yes.
I think his use of the word "always" is a bit rich. However, certain
Aboriginal rights activists have hinted at the possible future use of
suicide bombings recently.
"AN Aboriginal activist has told a Townsville meeting that depressed
Aboriginal youths had threatened to become suicide bombers and target
police stations."
[the complete article is in the Sunday Mail, dated 29th June 2003]
You'll note that this was before the photo furore came out.
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Anthony Swann <swanna@no-spam> shat the following logs:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Jeff wrote:
>
>> Anthony Swann <swanna@no-spam> shat the following logs:
>>
>>>>> considering the way that the press/media has
>>>>> been carrying on over here.
>>>>
>>>> Can you spell *R E C O N C I L I A T I O N* Pat?
>>>
>>> If you were serious about "reconciliation", then surely you would be
>>> objecting to the use of ALL photos in the target practice mentioned
>>> in the story.
>>>
>>> To me, it appears that you are using this as a means to beat a
>>> political drum. By objecting to the use of photos of Aborigines
>>> while not mentioning anything about the other photos, you are
>>> creating a race issue from nothing.
>>>
>>> Or do you believe that it's perfectly okay to shoot at photos of
>>> whitey, but that it's wrong to shoot at photos of blacky?
>>
>> Feel free to point out where I've said it's ok to shoot at photos of
>> Whitey.
>
> You don't seem to be objecting to it. Why is that?
Once again, feel free to point out where I've said it's ok to shoot at
photos of Whitey.
>>> If it was only photos of Aboriginies used in the target practice, I
>>> would also certainly be objecting as it would then be an issue of
>>> race. However, seeing as photos of people from different descents
>>> were used,
>>>
>>> I don't see why this should be twisted into being an issue about
>>> race.
>>
>> You don't see it as being an issue about race huh?
>>
>> ROLF
>
> No I don't. I do see it as an issue about the manner in which police
> are trained to shoot to kill (which I don't agree with).
>
>> You obviously didn't read the comments from the Police Union Chief
>> Gary Wilkinson, did you? Or perhaps you did but you saw no problem
>> with those comments.
>>
>> "You're trying to get a situation where there could be Aboriginal
>> hostages, there could be Aboriginal terrorists, there could be white
>> ones, there could be - heaven forbid - Arab ones" (Wilkinson)
>>
>> No problem with police racism in that statement is there Pat?
>> No Sirree..... Yeeeee Haaaaaa!
>
> Obviously your sarcasm detector isn't in working order.
Oh I see.... the Police Union Chief was merely being sarcastic was he?
Next you'll be telling me he was doing his level best to *disempower* those
racial stereotypes he was so eager to promote, and that he was going about
it in a very fair dinkum way too..... LOL.
>> And here's another racist gem from Wilkinson:
>>
>> "GERALD TOOTH: And as to the question of whether there have ever
>> been any Aboriginal terrorists which would warrant the use of their
>> images?"
>>
>> "GARY WILKINSON: I don't know, but they're always threatening in the
>> newspaper that they're going to be"
>>
>> I'd suggest that the operative word in amongst that quote above is
>> the word "they",
>
> He was asked a question exclusively about Aborigines. How else was he
> expected to reply?
>
>> which is hardly a pointer to the existence of a police mindset geared
>> towards reconciliation now is it?
>
> If you want to twist it to mean that, then yes.
>
> I think his use of the word "always" is a bit rich. However, certain
> Aboriginal rights activists have hinted at the possible future use of
> suicide bombings recently.
>
> "AN Aboriginal activist has told a Townsville meeting that depressed
> Aboriginal youths had threatened to become suicide bombers and target
> police stations."
>
> [the complete article is in the Sunday Mail, dated 29th June 2003]
<Pat's desperate attempt to prove that Abos are terrorists noted>
> You'll note that this was before the photo furore came out.
What's your point here?
Cheers,
Jeff.
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:30:26 +1000
On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Jeff wrote:
> Anthony Swann <swanna@no-spam> shat the following logs:
> > On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Jeff wrote:
> >
> >> Anthony Swann <swanna@no-spam> shat the following logs:
> >>
> >>>>> considering the way that the press/media has
> >>>>> been carrying on over here.
> >>>>
> >>>> Can you spell *R E C O N C I L I A T I O N* Pat?
> >>>
> >>> If you were serious about "reconciliation", then surely you would be
> >>> objecting to the use of ALL photos in the target practice mentioned
> >>> in the story.
> >>>
> >>> To me, it appears that you are using this as a means to beat a
> >>> political drum. By objecting to the use of photos of Aborigines
> >>> while not mentioning anything about the other photos, you are
> >>> creating a race issue from nothing.
> >>>
> >>> Or do you believe that it's perfectly okay to shoot at photos of
> >>> whitey, but that it's wrong to shoot at photos of blacky?
> >>
> >> Feel free to point out where I've said it's ok to shoot at photos of
> >> Whitey.
> >
> > You don't seem to be objecting to it. Why is that?
>
> Once again, feel free to point out where I've said it's ok to shoot at
> photos of Whitey.
My point is proven. Instead of denouncing the whole practice (regardless
of whose photos are being used) as being despicable, you choose instead to
make a racial issue out of it.
> >>> If it was only photos of Aboriginies used in the target practice, I
> >>> would also certainly be objecting as it would then be an issue of
> >>> race. However, seeing as photos of people from different descents
> >>> were used,
> >>>
> >>> I don't see why this should be twisted into being an issue about
> >>> race.
> >>
> >> You don't see it as being an issue about race huh?
> >>
> >> ROLF
> >
> > No I don't. I do see it as an issue about the manner in which police
> > are trained to shoot to kill (which I don't agree with).
> >
> >> You obviously didn't read the comments from the Police Union Chief
> >> Gary Wilkinson, did you? Or perhaps you did but you saw no problem
> >> with those comments.
> >>
> >> "You're trying to get a situation where there could be Aboriginal
> >> hostages, there could be Aboriginal terrorists, there could be white
> >> ones, there could be - heaven forbid - Arab ones" (Wilkinson)
> >>
> >> No problem with police racism in that statement is there Pat?
> >> No Sirree..... Yeeeee Haaaaaa!
> >
> > Obviously your sarcasm detector isn't in working order.
>
> Oh I see.... the Police Union Chief was merely being sarcastic was he?
>
> Next you'll be telling me he was doing his level best to *disempower*
> those racial stereotypes he was so eager to promote, and that he was
> going about it in a very fair dinkum way too..... LOL.
It seems that it's politically incorrect to suggest that terrorists could
come from non-white ranks. I particularly like the way you completely
overlook the fact that he also said that "there could be white
[terrorists]" as well.
> >> And here's another racist gem from Wilkinson:
> >>
> >> "GERALD TOOTH: And as to the question of whether there have ever
> >> been any Aboriginal terrorists which would warrant the use of their
> >> images?"
> >>
> >> "GARY WILKINSON: I don't know, but they're always threatening in the
> >> newspaper that they're going to be"
> >>
> >> I'd suggest that the operative word in amongst that quote above is
> >> the word "they",
> >
> > He was asked a question exclusively about Aborigines. How else was he
> > expected to reply?
> >
> >> which is hardly a pointer to the existence of a police mindset geared
> >> towards reconciliation now is it?
> >
> > If you want to twist it to mean that, then yes.
> >
> > I think his use of the word "always" is a bit rich. However, certain
> > Aboriginal rights activists have hinted at the possible future use of
> > suicide bombings recently.
> >
> > "AN Aboriginal activist has told a Townsville meeting that depressed
> > Aboriginal youths had threatened to become suicide bombers and target
> > police stations."
> >
> > [the complete article is in the Sunday Mail, dated 29th June 2003]
>
> <Pat's desperate attempt to prove that Abos are terrorists noted>
I didn't say that Aborigines are terrorists - all I pointed out was that a
number of Aboriginal individuals had threatened such behaviour.
I also believe that I said the use of the word "always" was somewhat
misleading when describing the regularity of these threats.
> > You'll note that this was before the photo furore came out.
>
> What's your point here?
If you're so smart, why don't you work it out? You seem to be able to
tell me the meaning behind everything else that I say.
Ant.
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