http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/25/sprj.irq.centrifuge/index.html
Of course this isnt a MRV in itself, so no biggie, right?
Jason wrote:
> http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/25/sprj.irq.centrifuge/index.html
>
> Of course this isnt a MRV in itself, so no biggie, right?
Not to those who can READ, anyway.
"U.S. officials: Find is not smoking gun"
Cheers,
Dusty
"Dusty Rhodes" <terra@no-spam> wrote in message
news:0%tKa.25225$hV.1291755@no-spam
> Jason wrote:
> > http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/25/sprj.irq.centrifuge/index.html
> >
> > Of course this isnt a MRV in itself, so no biggie, right?
>
> Not to those who can READ, anyway.
>
> "U.S. officials: Find is not smoking gun"
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dusty
>
>
I never said it was a smoking gun. Its a freaking centrifuge system for
enriching uranium! Are you to tell me that its nothing, that everyone has
one of those under their rosebush in the backyard!
I think the importance of this discovery is that it IS possible and indeed
LIKELY that there are more components and materials for producing WMD, and
perhaps even WMDs themselves!
You cannot deny this fact having seen this.
SO I'll just sit back and wait.
Unlike you, I am very glad that we did this before Saddam finnaly developed
and USED these things against us. I suppose you would only be happy if
thousands more died before we decided to defend ourselves.
Still, I didn't vote for Bush, Im not too happy with him, but I do
appreciate what went on in Iraq. Saddam was one sick SOB.
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:04:13 -0500, "Jason" <none@no-spam> wrote:
>
>"Dusty Rhodes" <terra@no-spam> wrote in message
>news:0%tKa.25225$hV.1291755@no-spam
>> Jason wrote:
>> > http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/25/sprj.irq.centrifuge/index.html
>> >
>> > Of course this isnt a MRV in itself, so no biggie, right?
>>
>> Not to those who can READ, anyway.
>>
>> "U.S. officials: Find is not smoking gun"
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dusty
>>
>>
>
>I never said it was a smoking gun. Its a freaking centrifuge system for
>enriching uranium! Are you to tell me that its nothing, that everyone has
>one of those under their rosebush in the backyard!
>
>I think the importance of this discovery is that it IS possible and indeed
>LIKELY that there are more components and materials for producing WMD, and
>perhaps even WMDs themselves!
>
>You cannot deny this fact having seen this.
>
>SO I'll just sit back and wait.
>
>Unlike you, I am very glad that we did this before Saddam finnaly developed
>and USED these things against us. I suppose you would only be happy if
>thousands more died before we decided to defend ourselves.
>
>Still, I didn't vote for Bush, Im not too happy with him, but I do
>appreciate what went on in Iraq. Saddam was one sick SOB.
>
>
As the story said in the first paragraph "The parts, with accompanying
plans, were unearthed by Iraqi scientist Mahdi Obeidi who had hidden
them under a rose bush in his garden 12 years ago under orders from
Qusay Hussein and Saddam Hussein's then son-in-law, Hussein Kamel. "
Obeidi buried those parts 12 YEARS ago. Presumably other stuff was
buried as well. But this PROVES beyond a shadow of a doubt that the
UN sanctions and the continued air lock down by the US WORKED and was
STILL working right up to invasion time.
Again the point is that there was NO urgency whatsoever, and
absolutely NO immediate threat to anyone, especially the US.
Add this new evidence to the fact that Iraq has NEVER been associated
in any manner with al Qaida or bin Laden and you simply have to shake
your head and ask yourself just what was the purpose of the invasion,
if all the reasons given have been proven false? Sadaams ONLY
terroist links have been to the Palestinian terroist groups. His main
threat has always been toward his neighbors. He was a latter day
Nassar and dreamed of an Arab Empire run by him. Those goals were
diametrically opposed to the bin Laden objectives.
No, the answer to why the invasion now, did not lie in any threat to
the US, they lay somewhere else.
-=Monte=-
The solution is simple, send pretzels to the Whitehouse!
"Dusty Rhodes" <terra@no-spam> wrote in message
news:0%tKa.25225$hV.1291755@no-spam
> Jason wrote:
> > http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/25/sprj.irq.centrifuge/index.html
> >
> > Of course this isnt a MRV in itself, so no biggie, right?
>
> Not to those who can READ, anyway.
>
> "U.S. officials: Find is not smoking gun"
Headlines mean nothing... CNN has the headline "Record industry to sue
downloaders" for a story that refers to a press release by the RIAA which
actually says they'll be suing a few hundred distributers of pirated music.
The headline indicates that they are suing downloaders.
The CNN article about WMD states that some Iraqi scientist was ordered to
hide parts and instructions involved in a nuclear weapons program back in
1991. This scientist hasn't done anything since... other than tell the U.S.
about it this week.
The scary part is that no inspection would have ever found these parts or
instructions. They were buried under a rose garden or something to that
effect.
Basically, those parts (and possibly others that have not been publicized)
could be used to restart a nuclear weapons program at a moments notice.
This is what I've always personally suspected... that Iraq was close to
producing a nuclear weapon, that they would start up the program once the
world stopped looking in their direction. Indeed, this was the point of the
article that is currently featured on CNN.com.
--
Mike
Jason <none@no-spam> wrote:
: I never said it was a smoking gun. Its a freaking centrifuge system for
: enriching uranium! Are you to tell me that its nothing, that everyone has
: one of those under their rosebush in the backyard!
:
: I think the importance of this discovery is that it IS possible and indeed
: LIKELY that there are more components and materials for producing WMD, and
: perhaps even WMDs themselves!
Here's the problem:
Here's the chief scientist on Iraq's pre-1991 nuclear program
who has buried centrifuge parts (not even an entire centrifuge)
and some documents, pending the departure of weapons inspectors
so that the nuclear program can be restarted with a phone call.
The inspectors left for four years in 1998. The phone call
never came.
If anything, this proves that the Iraqis were NOT working on
rebuilding a nuclear capability at the time of the invasion.
cb
Mike wrote:
> "Dusty Rhodes" <terra@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:0%tKa.25225$hV.1291755@no-spam
>> Jason wrote:
>>> http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/25/sprj.irq.centrifuge/index.html
>>>
>>> Of course this isnt a MRV in itself, so no biggie, right?
>>
>> Not to those who can READ, anyway.
>>
>> "U.S. officials: Find is not smoking gun"
>
> Headlines mean nothing...
<snip of tortured justification>
But QUOTES do. Sheesh.
Cheers,
Dusty
Jason wrote:
> SO I'll just sit back and wait.
So, that's what you call double posting off topic inflammatory bullshit, is
it, hypocrite?
Cheers,
Dusty
Dusty
Here's how it works.
When the Americans come he's gonna dig the old centrifuge out of his back
yard,
whip up some enriched uranium and deliver the nuke on target in 45 minutes.
I heard Tony Blair say it; It must be true.
(sheesh! - At least the Soviets looked like a credible threat in the 50's.)
BTW Anyone heard from Kim Jong (mentally) Ill lately?
I bet his centrifuges are spinning right now.
H.
"Dusty Rhodes" <terra@no-spam> wrote in message
news:KcHKa.38684$TJ.1482451@no-spam
> Mike wrote:
> > "Dusty Rhodes" <terra@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:0%tKa.25225$hV.1291755@no-spam
> >> Jason wrote:
> >>>
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/25/sprj.irq.centrifuge/index.html
> >>>
> >>> Of course this isnt a MRV in itself, so no biggie, right?
> >>
> >> Not to those who can READ, anyway.
> >>
> >> "U.S. officials: Find is not smoking gun"
> >
> > Headlines mean nothing...
>
> <snip of tortured justification>
>
> But QUOTES do. Sheesh.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dusty
>
>
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:02:52 -0500, "H. Adam Stevens"
<solo@no-spam> wrote:
>Dusty
>Here's how it works.
>When the Americans come he's gonna dig the old centrifuge out of his back
>yard,
>whip up some enriched uranium and deliver the nuke on target in 45 minutes.
>I heard Tony Blair say it; It must be true.
>(sheesh! - At least the Soviets looked like a credible threat in the 50's.)
>BTW Anyone heard from Kim Jong (mentally) Ill lately?
>I bet his centrifuges are spinning right now.
>H.
>
>"Dusty Rhodes" <terra@no-spam> wrote in message
Shit! Are you serious? The Ko-re-yuns got nuclear weapons? Time for
regime change, I say. Kim Jong Il is a murderous dictator who has
starved millions to death and done who knows what to thousands of
others.
We MUST stop him before it's too late. The U.S. MUST act unilateraly
before Kim gives those weapons to Al Kyder!
Right?
"mh" <mh.anti.spam.obratschk@no-spam> wrote in
message news:tphmfv8q2hfe15orba7i1kkpkpqctvbg2o@no-spam
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:02:52 -0500, "H. Adam Stevens"
> <solo@no-spam> wrote:
>
> >Dusty
> >Here's how it works.
> >When the Americans come he's gonna dig the old centrifuge out of his back
> >yard,
> >whip up some enriched uranium and deliver the nuke on target in 45
minutes.
> >I heard Tony Blair say it; It must be true.
> >(sheesh! - At least the Soviets looked like a credible threat in the
50's.)
> >BTW Anyone heard from Kim Jong (mentally) Ill lately?
> >I bet his centrifuges are spinning right now.
> >H.
> >
> >"Dusty Rhodes" <terra@no-spam> wrote in message
> Shit! Are you serious? The Ko-re-yuns got nuclear weapons? Time for
> regime change, I say. Kim Jong Il is a murderous dictator who has
> starved millions to death and done who knows what to thousands of
> others.
>
> We MUST stop him before it's too late. The U.S. MUST act unilateraly
> before Kim gives those weapons to Al Kyder!
>
> Right?
>
>
You betcha'
Al who? ;-)
I forgot to ask, does Kim have any oil?
"H. Adam Stevens" <solo@no-spam> wrote in message
news:vfmgs9jc721k68@no-spam
> Dusty
> Here's how it works.
> When the Americans come he's gonna dig the old centrifuge out of his back
> yard,
> whip up some enriched uranium and deliver the nuke on target in 45
minutes.
> I heard Tony Blair say it; It must be true.
> (sheesh! - At least the Soviets looked like a credible threat in the
50's.)
> BTW Anyone heard from Kim Jong (mentally) Ill lately?
> I bet his centrifuges are spinning right now.
> H.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0425184226/qid=1056655228/sr=8-4/ref=sr_8_4/002-2881222-9696861?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
Too bad the movie had to tarnish an otherwise good book (although it ends
rather quickly). Granted it's fiction, I would not be surprised if a small
group were able to pull this off within a few years. I hope it never
happens, and I'll be utterly disgusted if it does, but I will not be
surprised.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/nuclear/article/0,2763,983714,00.html
Here's another fun one about two really smart guys with no nuclear
background designing (not building) a nuclear weapon using public domain
materials. This happened 50 years ago.
Just thought I'd share...
--
Mike
Mike wrote:
> "Dusty Rhodes" <terra@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:KcHKa.38684$TJ.1482451@no-spam
>> Mike wrote:
>>> "Dusty Rhodes" <terra@no-spam> wrote in message
>>> news:0%tKa.25225$hV.1291755@no-spam
>>>> Jason wrote:
>>>>>
> http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/25/sprj.irq.centrifuge/index.html
>
>>>> "U.S. officials: Find is not smoking gun"
>>>
>>> Headlines mean nothing...
>>
>> <snip of tortured justification>
>>
>> But QUOTES do. Sheesh.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/06/26/sprj.irq.white.house/index.html
> http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/26/sprj.irq.centrifuge/index.html
>
> Two different stories, two different spins. Here's a quote from the
> one you must've missed.
>
> -- BEGIN QUOTE --
>
> David Kay, who led three U.N. arms inspection missions in Iraq in
> 1991-92 and now heads the CIA's search for unconventional weapons,
> started work two days ago in Baghdad. CNN spoke to him about the case
> over a secure teleconferencing line.
>
> "It begins to tell us how huge our job is," Kay said. "Remember, his
> material was buried in a barrel behind his house in a rose garden.
TWELVE FRICKIN' YEARS AGO! Which part of "imminent threat" is confusing you?
Cheers,
Dusty
H. Adam Stevens wrote:
> Al who? ;-)
Osama been forgotten.
Cheers,
Dusty
Mike wrote:
> "Dusty Rhodes" <terra@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:xlIKa.26104$hV.1393788@no-spam
>> TWELVE FRICKIN' YEARS AGO! Which part of "imminent threat" is
>> confusing you?
>
> Are you claiming that the nuclear technology from 12 years ago is
> somehow less deadly?
<snip of crap unread>
Are you claiming to be so stupid you don't understand the meaning "imminent
threat?"
Cheers,
Dusty
"Dusty Rhodes" <terra@no-spam> wrote in message
news:S0JKa.39670$TJ.1490295@no-spam
> <snip of crap unread>
I'll consider this debate won until you bother to respond logically. It was
fun, thanks!
--
Mike
"Mike" <sorry@no-spam> wrote in message
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> "Dusty Rhodes" <terra@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:S0JKa.39670$TJ.1490295@no-spam
>
> > <snip of crap unread>
>
> I'll consider this debate won until you bother to respond logically. It
was
> fun, thanks!
>
> --
> Mike
>
>
Yeah Dusty Bottoms has a real anger management issue. He tends to whine and
moan instead of debate.
Best off ignoring that one.
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:22:59 -0500, "H. Adam Stevens"
<solo@no-spam> wrote:
>>
>You betcha'
>Al who? ;-)
>I forgot to ask, does Kim have any oil?
>
>
But, but, but ... I thought it wasn't ABOUT the oil?!?!?!?!?!
Mike wrote:
> "Dusty Rhodes" <terra@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:S0JKa.39670$TJ.1490295@no-spam
>
>> <snip of crap unread>
>
> I'll consider this debate won until you bother to respond logically.
> It was fun, thanks!
And I'll still consider you an idiot until you digest the meaning of
"imminent threat."
Cheers,
Dusty