AUSTIN GENERAL 5 RE SUVS PICKUP TRUCKS ARE A MAJOR MENACE AND NEED TO GO
From: "Mike" (sorry@no-spam)
Subject: Re: SUVs/Pickup Trucks are a major menace and need to go!!!
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:25:45 -0500


"Mike Epperson" <mikee4821@no-spam> wrote in message news:230620032128381460%mikee4821@no-spam > And it is so much easier to just touch the accelerator a bit when > overtaking in the left lane and let the guy behind me get by. Hell,
> let him go! I can use him and his brake lights as advance warning.
> Why hang out on speed control at 1/2 mph more than the car I'm > overtaking just to piss off the folks behind me? That's dumn.

I stopped doing that when I got a ticket in Lancaster for doing 8 over when I passed a tour bus. Now my policy is to go the posted speed limit no matter how ludicrous it is. That way the morons who determined the speed can see how stupid it is and they might just change it.

Sad thing is, I still have to pass people even when I go the speed limit.

And the temptation to speed is so much greater when I'm in the tiny car.
It's not quite as easy to go the speed limit when you are in a tiny vehicle and people are pushing you from behind.

--
Mike

From: "Anathema" (spamfree@no-spam)
Subject: Re: SUVs/Pickup Trucks are a major menace and need to go!!!
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:30:11 GMT

"Juan Jimenez" <b-d-5-n_os-p-a-m@no-spam> wrote in message news:zxKJa.2541$Ab2.5981@no-spam >
> "Anathema" <spamfree@no-spam> wrote in message > news:DVHJa.3297$pl5.1317@no-spam > >
> >
> > No No Juan. After this they go to work driving gravel trucks.
>
> At the sandbox?
>
We could only wish for such a blessing. I'm speaking of the asshole gravel truck drivers who get paid by the load and drive accordingly. Tailgating,
speeding, running reds, etc... They essentially work for themselves so their driving safety record is not important. How many loads they can transport that day is the only concern on their minds. I encourage you to jam your brakes while going "the speed limit" in the far left lane with one of these assholes on your rear bumper. That'll teach him a lesson, and I'm sure you're big dodge will hold up fine.


From: Flogodino@no-spam (Flogodino)
Subject: Re: SUVs/Pickup Trucks are a major menace and need to go!!!
Date: 24 Jun 2003 08:58:40 -0700

"Juan Jimenez" <b-d-5-n_os-p-a-m@no-spam> wrote in message news:<raPJa.3803$3d.3121@no-spam>...

> > <Flogodino@no-spam> wrote:
> > >
> > > You're lucky he didn't have a gun and blow you away.
> > He's lucky he didn't try. For one thing, Miata's don't fare well against RAM > trucks.

Um..I think your missing the point here. It really doesn't matter what KIND of car one is sitting in when they fire the bullet into your brain. It's more an issue of aim and size of the gun. In fact, a Miata, being as nimble as it is could meneauver better than a large truck. That way he could get right up to you and blow you away before you could pee in your pants. You would never see it coming. He would just pull up next to you and fire.

On the bright side, before you bled to death, you MAY be able to ram him with your truck. But only if it's heavy traffic. Otherwise, he is long gone.


From: Flogodino@no-spam (Flogodino)
Subject: Re: SUVs/Pickup Trucks are a major menace and need to go!!!
Date: 24 Jun 2003 09:00:42 -0700

Nigel Reed <see@no-spam> wrote in message news:<s39js-kpj.ln1@no-spam>...
> Flogodino <flogodino@no-spam> wrote:
> > You had my attention...
> > > fucking way. You threaten my life and my children's life with your > > > Then blew it.
> > Regards > Nigel
Agreed. I got a little carried away, and shouldn't have posted that portion.


From: "Anathema" (spamfree@no-spam)
Subject: Re: SUVs/Pickup Trucks are a major menace and need to go!!!
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:58:07 GMT

"Flogodino" <Flogodino@no-spam> wrote in message news:8ba7114a.0306241034.923b20a@no-spam > "Anathema" <spamfree@no-spam> wrote in message news:<TfZJa.4696$VH4.1446@no-spam>...
> > "Juan Jimenez" <b-d-5-n_os-p-a-m@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:zxKJa.2541$Ab2.5981@no-spam > > >
> > > "Anathema" <spamfree@no-spam> wrote in message > > > news:DVHJa.3297$pl5.1317@no-spam > > > >
> > > >
> > > > No No Juan. After this they go to work driving gravel trucks.
> > >
> > > At the sandbox?
> > >
> > We could only wish for such a blessing. I'm speaking of the asshole gravel > > truck drivers who get paid by the load and drive accordingly.
Tailgating,
> > speeding, running reds, etc... They essentially work for themselves so > > their driving safety record is not important. How many loads they can > > transport that day is the only concern on their minds. I encourage you to > > jam your brakes while going "the speed limit" in the far left lane with one > > of these assholes on your rear bumper. That'll teach him a lesson, and I'm > > sure you're big dodge will hold up fine.
>
> I agree with you 100% that some of those gravel trucks can be a real > menace. But are you serious about jamming your brakes! Do you realize > the damage one of those things could do to you. These things make > SUV's look like Smart cars. You are willing to risk your life just to > "teach him a lesson?????" And what if the person behind the gravel > truck slams into it because of your action, and is killed? I realize > jamming is not the same thing as slamming, but why take the chance?
>
> Frankly, you scare me more than the gravel truck driver.

SARCASM. Rather thinly veiled sarcasm at that. Juan stated he had done that to a Miata who tailgated him. I suggested that he do that to the Gravel truck riding his ass. I agree with you, it's a damn stupid thing to do, which is why I encouraged him to do it to the gravel truck. He would NEVER do it again after that experience, I only assumed he was smart enough to see my SARCASM and not try it. Personally, he shouldn't try it even on small cars because if contact is made swing the ass end of a 1/2 ton Dodge around at highway speed could be a damn scary impact with the center divider or traffic in the right lanes. Course he is apparently not smart enough to realize that the little Miata could cause him to lose control so maybe I shouldn't encourage him to try his version of heroics in front of a gravel truck.
::shrug::


Subject: Re: SUVs/Pickup Trucks and broadband users need to go! (sarcasm)
From: Mapanari (Fakeaddress@no-spam)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 03:34:06 GMT

"Mark Tanaka" <marktanaka@no-spam> babbled and bored us in news:QPSJa.1542$BM.1186021@no-spam
> Yes, broadband cable (2.0 - 2.5 mbs) and DSL (1.6 - 6.0 mbs) users > need to go. They suck up precious bandwidth that dialup 56k or even more > earth-friendly and economical 28.8k users could use. Why should some ass > on a 2.5 mbs pipe suck up the swapped files so quickly and leave the dialup > users in the dust? We should tax them.
> > I'll get in the Expedition and go to city hall and protest immediately!
> > Along those lines, you started me thinking...maybe too much education is hurting the envirnoment?

See, too many liberals and morons staying too long in air conditioned schools financed by taxpayers and graduating to get jobs as, well, cab drivers and pool guys.

Now, 4 years of sitting around partying and draining mom and dad's retirement funds, snoring in air conditioned classrooms, burning gas going to school every day, and all the cane fields and wheat fields with their tons of carbon/petroleoum fertilizers just to make them rum and beer and whisky to drink all day and all night, wouldn't the earth be better off if these liberals just cut out the 4 year college waste and stop hurting mother earth and Gaia and just got jobs as waitresses, whores, teachers, journalists and political analysts right away out of high school?

-- -Mapi
The Mapanari of Usenet.


From: "Rick Rendon" (rrendon@no-spam)
Subject: Re: SUVs/Pickup Trucks are a major menace and need to go!!! ---- Just Raise Gas to 3 bucks/gallon
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 08:45:31 GMT

Silly question here:
If i didn't own a truck and went to the Home Depot or Lowes or what have you, just how am i supposed to get those one or two boards home? or maybe the several 50# bags of dirt and mulch? do you realize that people who own trucks/SUV's generally do so for a purpose (at least everyone I'm familiar with in any case). We all haul stuff around.

I use my in business. How many chimeneas can i put in the bed of my Explorer Sport Trac? about five. How many can i put in a Miata? not sure i want to try that.

As far as I'm concerned drive what you feel comfortable in. Worry about the other guy only when he's a threat to your safety...then just use the ubiquitous cell phone to call in the cops and report the menace :)

South Texan
"SteveR" <texdriver@no-spam> wrote in message news:texdriver-03BD73.18444522062003@no-spam > In article <vfcfed2obbn040@no-spam>,
> "Nathan Larson" <thelarsonfamily@no-spam> wrote:
>
> > "SteveR" <texdriver@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:texdriver-EA364E.18195022062003@no-spam > > > After all, I'm an American, and I'll drive a pickup or SUV if I damn > > > well feel like it as long as it's legal. If people want to ponder > > > whether or not I actually need that pickup, I say get a damn life, go > > > save a damn seal or something.
> >
> > How sad for our future generations that attitudes like this exist.
> >
>
>
> My "future generations" already exist, and they do quite well,
> contribute to this country, and they all drive pickups or SUV's, except > one daughter.
>
> So...like...why is this soooo sad? Because they drive what can be bought > at any car dealership?
>
> Get off it, SUV's are not destroying the freakin' universe.
>
> They only exist because Americans are so fat. Tax the crap out of the > fatty food. I'm skinny, I don't care.
>
> --
> "What do you do when you are in a car with someone who asks you > about the best place to hide a hand grenade?"
> --Salam Pax

From: "MDM" (mdmcbane@no-spam)
Subject: Re: SUVs/Pickup Trucks are a major menace and need to go!!! ---- Just Raise Gas to 3 bucks/gallon
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 15:28:52 GMT

"Rick Rendon" <rrendon@no-spam> wrote in message news:LYwMa.41425$xg5.28443@no-spam > Silly question here:
> If i didn't own a truck and went to the Home Depot or Lowes or what have > you, just how am i supposed to get those one or two boards home? or maybe > the several 50# bags of dirt and mulch? do you realize that people who own > trucks/SUV's generally do so for a purpose (at least everyone I'm familiar > with in any case). We all haul stuff around.

Last week I brought home 1 1/2" 4'x8' sheet of plywood 4 4"x4"x8' posts 2 2"x4"x8' boards in an '86 Volvo 740 wagon, I call it the luxury pickup.
I get around 23MPG city.
Most SUVs I've seen aren't designed for convenient cargo transport. Narrow hatch width, protruding wheelwells, and seats that don't fold flat.


From: Flogodino@no-spam (Flogodino)
Subject: Re: SUVs/Pickup Trucks are a major menace and need to go!!! ---- Just Raise Gas to 3 bucks/gallon
Date: 2 Jul 2003 10:19:21 -0700

"Rick Rendon" <rrendon@no-spam> wrote in message news:<LYwMa.41425$xg5.28443@no-spam>...

> Silly question here:
> If i didn't own a truck and went to the Home Depot or Lowes or what have > you, just how am i supposed to get those one or two boards home? or maybe > the several 50# bags of dirt and mulch? do you realize that people who own > trucks/SUV's generally do so for a purpose (at least everyone I'm familiar > with in any case). We all haul stuff around.

Very good points. True a Miata will not haul much. But using the 'extreme' (Miata) as an example is not a true representation of the cars on the road. There are many mid-size and larger cars that would haul two boards or several bags of mulch just fine. In fact, many of them have fold down back seats. To go one further (I'll have to search for the stats) Many cars actually have more cargo room than some SUV's. Obviously, this is not the case with pick up trucks.

Agreed, many trucks are used to haul things, but many aren't. Rather they are shined daily with fancy decals and add-ons, 4x4 off road,
raised-wheel monoliths that are nothing more than a 'status' symbol to these people. Why, I'll never know. But from the F150 all the way up to the F350 Dooley. They ARE a danger to car drivers. Their very presense on the road presents a danger to us. If one was to hit a car,
the truck wins. Add that to the inablility to see while you are driving behind one, and the danger is increased. I realize, we need trucks of all sizes. But the sheer number of them on the road today has increased by so much, that it is now IMPOSSIBLE to keep away from them on the road. Years ago, one could simply move to another lane, or pass the 18 wheeler etc. But now, no matter what lane you get in, no matter what time, the odds are, that there will be some kind of SUV,
Truck, Hummer etc. in front of you. So, the danger remains a consant.

SUVs are a completely different story. Much has been bantered about this subject already in this forum. Most of them have never been off the concrete, except when they are backing out of the garage and run over their own child because they couldn't see him. Your Navigators,
Escalades and all the other 'luxury' SUVs are nothing more than an American cultural phenomenon for status, false feelings of safety etc.
They pose the same dangers as pick up trucks. Not to mention what the whole lot are doing to our environment, and fuel consumption, leading to higher demand, and thus, higher prices at the pump.

> > I use my in business. How many chimeneas can i put in the bed of my Explorer > Sport Trac? about five. How many can i put in a Miata? not sure i want to > try that.

How many chimeneas do most people buy? I could put at least two or maybe three in my back seat. OTOH. If you are a chimenea delivery man,
then I guess you need a vehicle that can haul a lot of them.
>
> As far as I'm concerned drive what you feel comfortable in. Worry about the > other guy only when he's a threat to your safety...then just use the > ubiquitous cell phone to call in the cops and report the menace :)

That's the core of the problem. People are only thinking about their own concerns, not about what they are doing to the environment, and the dangers they pose to other drivers. That is precisely why we see H2 Hummers barreling down the highway today. Unfortunately, many drivers on American roads have a very arrogant, selfish attitude. The "I'll do whatever I want, to hell with you" approach. In Texas, it's common to see the individual who is typically fat or grossly obese,
bald or shaved head, cap, Skoal, large brand new shiny truck, and an accent that makes hicks sound like aristocrats. Or the 9 mexicans going 20 miles an hour in a 30 year old pickup.
> > South Texan > > "SteveR" <texdriver@no-spam> wrote in message > news:texdriver-03BD73.18444522062003@no-spam > > In article <vfcfed2obbn040@no-spam>,
> > "Nathan Larson" <thelarsonfamily@no-spam> wrote:
> >
> > > "SteveR" <texdriver@no-spam> wrote in message > > > news:texdriver-EA364E.18195022062003@no-spam > > > > After all, I'm an American, and I'll drive a pickup or SUV if I damn > > > > well feel like it as long as it's legal. If people want to ponder > > > > whether or not I actually need that pickup, I say get a damn life, go > > > > save a damn seal or something.
> > >
> > > How sad for our future generations that attitudes like this exist.
> > >
> >
> >
> > My "future generations" already exist, and they do quite well,
> > contribute to this country, and they all drive pickups or SUV's, except > > one daughter.
> >
> > So...like...why is this soooo sad? Because they drive what can be bought > > at any car dealership?
> >
> > Get off it, SUV's are not destroying the freakin' universe.
> >
> > They only exist because Americans are so fat. Tax the crap out of the > > fatty food. I'm skinny, I don't care.
> >
> > --
> > "What do you do when you are in a car with someone who asks you > > about the best place to hide a hand grenade?"
> > --Salam Pax

Subject: Re: SUVs/Pickup Trucks are a major menace and need to go!!! ---- Just Raise Gas to 3 bucks/gallon
From: Mapanari (Fakeaddress@no-spam)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 19:39:37 GMT

"MDM" <mdmcbane@no-spam> babbled and bored us in news:USCMa.378$qk6.249748619@no-spam
> > "Rick Rendon" <rrendon@no-spam> wrote in message > news:LYwMa.41425$xg5.28443@no-spam >> Silly question here:
>> If i didn't own a truck and went to the Home Depot or Lowes or what have >> you, just how am i supposed to get those one or two boards home? or maybe >> the several 50# bags of dirt and mulch? do you realize that people who own >> trucks/SUV's generally do so for a purpose (at least everyone I'm familiar >> with in any case). We all haul stuff around.
> > > > > Last week I brought home > 1 1/2" 4'x8' sheet of plywood > 4 4"x4"x8' posts > 2 2"x4"x8' boards > in an '86 Volvo 740 wagon, I call it the luxury pickup.
> I get around 23MPG city.
> Most SUVs I've seen aren't designed for convenient cargo transport. Narrow > hatch width, protruding wheelwells, and seats that don't fold flat.
> > >
You all are nattering on and on about silly bullshit and off the main subject...see guys, it comes down to freedom and a matter of free choice.

No one "needs" another Big Mac when they're overweight, no one needs to smoke cigarettes or drink excessively, no one needs a $200,000 house or a $20,000 car.
Being able to buy those things with free will and free choice is called "freedom".

Beware the facist socilist communist liberal religious democrat nanny republican assholes who want to limit your freedom and nanny you into subservience, scold you into sullen compliance and especially beware of the social engineering and attempts to get you to comply to a narrow minded bigot's idea of their own heaven on earth; everyone riding bikes or something as silly and as stupid as that.

This is very simple...you don't like SUVs, don't buy one.
You don't like porn on the web? Don't click on it.
You don't like colorized movies? Turn off the color on your tv.
You don't like Hillary or Bush? Don't vote for them.
You don't like guns? Don't own one.

You don't like freedom? Move to China.

-- -Mapi
The Mapanari of Usenet.


From: "Andrew" (buymylightsXSPAMX@no-spam)
Subject: Re: SUVs/Pickup Trucks are a major menace and need to go!!! ---- Just Raise Gas to 3 bucks/gallon
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 20:56:33 GMT

"Flogodino" <Flogodino@no-spam> wrote in message news:8ba7114a.0307020919.2ddede86@no-spam > "Rick Rendon" <rrendon@no-spam> wrote in message news:<LYwMa.41425$xg5.28443@no-spam>...
> > Silly question here:
> > If i didn't own a truck and went to the Home Depot or Lowes or what have > > you, just how am i supposed to get those one or two boards home? or maybe > > the several 50# bags of dirt and mulch? do you realize that people who own > > trucks/SUV's generally do so for a purpose (at least everyone I'm familiar > > with in any case). We all haul stuff around.
>
> Very good points. True a Miata will not haul much. But using the > 'extreme' (Miata) as an example is not a true representation of the > cars on the road. There are many mid-size and larger cars that would > haul two boards or several bags of mulch just fine. In fact, many of > them have fold down back seats. To go one further (I'll have to search > for the stats) Many cars actually have more cargo room than some > SUV's. Obviously, this is not the case with pick up trucks.
>
> Agreed, many trucks are used to haul things, but many aren't. Rather > they are shined daily with fancy decals and add-ons, 4x4 off road,
> raised-wheel monoliths that are nothing more than a 'status' symbol to > these people. Why, I'll never know. But from the F150 all the way up > to the F350 Dooley. They ARE a danger to car drivers. Their very > presense on the road presents a danger to us. If one was to hit a car,
> the truck wins.

I owned a Ford F150. A lady who was not paying attention pulled right out in front of me while I was traveling about 25 miles on a side street. She never saw me coming and it was close enough that I only had about three feet of skid marks before I "t-boned" her drivers side door. If I would have been in a car the Cop told her she would probably have been dead due to the fact my truck was wide and stretch across her little Ford Escort from front tires to back. Something less wide would have penetrated her vehicle. I guess my point is vehicles aren't dangerous... stupid lazy drivers are.
Thank goodness no one was seriously injured accept her insurance company...
it caused $ 4,800.00 dollars damage on my truck. Now I drive a Supercrew and probably always will. I'm safer and protected from those who don't know what they're doing.

Add that to the inablility to see while you are > driving behind one, and the danger is increased. I realize, we need > trucks of all sizes. But the sheer number of them on the road today > has increased by so much, that it is now IMPOSSIBLE to keep away from > them on the road. Years ago, one could simply move to another lane, or > pass the 18 wheeler etc. But now, no matter what lane you get in, no > matter what time, the odds are, that there will be some kind of SUV,
> Truck, Hummer etc. in front of you. So, the danger remains a consant.
>
> SUVs are a completely different story. Much has been bantered about > this subject already in this forum. Most of them have never been off > the concrete, except when they are backing out of the garage and run > over their own child because they couldn't see him. Your Navigators,
> Escalades and all the other 'luxury' SUVs are nothing more than an > American cultural phenomenon for status, false feelings of safety etc.
> They pose the same dangers as pick up trucks. Not to mention what the > whole lot are doing to our environment, and fuel consumption, leading > to higher demand, and thus, higher prices at the pump.
>
> >
> > I use my in business. How many chimeneas can i put in the bed of my Explorer > > Sport Trac? about five. How many can i put in a Miata? not sure i want to > > try that.
>
> How many chimeneas do most people buy? I could put at least two or > maybe three in my back seat. OTOH. If you are a chimenea delivery man,
> then I guess you need a vehicle that can haul a lot of them.
> >
>
> > As far as I'm concerned drive what you feel comfortable in. Worry about the > > other guy only when he's a threat to your safety...then just use the > > ubiquitous cell phone to call in the cops and report the menace :)
>
> That's the core of the problem. People are only thinking about their > own concerns, not about what they are doing to the environment, and > the dangers they pose to other drivers. That is precisely why we see > H2 Hummers barreling down the highway today. Unfortunately, many > drivers on American roads have a very arrogant, selfish attitude. The > "I'll do whatever I want, to hell with you" approach. In Texas, it's > common to see the individual who is typically fat or grossly obese,
> bald or shaved head, cap, Skoal, large brand new shiny truck, and an > accent that makes hicks sound like aristocrats. Or the 9 mexicans > going 20 miles an hour in a 30 year old pickup.
>
> >
> > South Texan > >
> > "SteveR" <texdriver@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:texdriver-03BD73.18444522062003@no-spam > > > In article <vfcfed2obbn040@no-spam>,
> > > "Nathan Larson" <thelarsonfamily@no-spam> wrote:
> > >
> > > > "SteveR" <texdriver@no-spam> wrote in message > > > > news:texdriver-EA364E.18195022062003@no-spam > > > > > After all, I'm an American, and I'll drive a pickup or SUV if I damn > > > > > well feel like it as long as it's legal. If people want to ponder > > > > > whether or not I actually need that pickup, I say get a damn life,
go > > > > > save a damn seal or something.
> > > >
> > > > How sad for our future generations that attitudes like this exist.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My "future generations" already exist, and they do quite well,
> > > contribute to this country, and they all drive pickups or SUV's,
except > > > one daughter.
> > >
> > > So...like...why is this soooo sad? Because they drive what can be bought > > > at any car dealership?
> > >
> > > Get off it, SUV's are not destroying the freakin' universe.
> > >
> > > They only exist because Americans are so fat. Tax the crap out of the > > > fatty food. I'm skinny, I don't care.
> > >
> > > --
> > > "What do you do when you are in a car with someone who asks you > > > about the best place to hide a hand grenade?"
> > > --Salam Pax