AZ GENERAL 66 RE SWAMPED BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS
From: Vandiver606@no-spam (Tom)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: 30 Jun 2003 02:44:00 -0700


Graphic Queen <graphicqueen@no-spam> wrote in message news:<26evfvg5msrd7smuqh9tm74rg66narbgct@no-spam>...

> Swamped by illegal immigrants > > > The deaths of 19 undocumented immigrants in a hot Texas trailer last > month reminded us that despite the administration's ramped-up efforts > at border control, illegal aliens are still flowing across our > borders. > An estimated 700,000 illegals enter the United States each year. The > number of people arrested trying to cross the U.S.-Mexican border has > risen in the past year. In California alone, arrests jumped 10% from > October through May. > > Our porous borders pose not only a threat to our national security,
> but also work as a burden on our welfare system, our health care > systems and the overall economy. > > Illegal immigration cuts into the wages of American workers. According > to Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), who is head of the Congressional > Immigration Reform Caucus, "Massive immigration of low-skilled,
> low-wage workers ... depresses wage rates for people who are at the > low economic end of the scale. ... The overall effect will be the > decline of the living standard of every American, or most Americans." > > He is among those who say this is a problem that the administration is > overlooking because it considers these low-wage workers a desirable > part of our economy. > > Tancredo said, "If I tomorrow go to the administration and President > Bush and say, 'I have a foolproof plan that will stop all illegal > immigration into this country,' they would say, 'Get out of here.'" > > There are some groups, such as the conservative think tank the Cato > Institute, that propose the legalization of Mexican migration. Daniel > Griswold, associate director of the Center for Trade Policy Studies at > Cato, says the U.S. economy would be better off. > > According to Griswold, the pool of Americans who would be happy to > take the low-skilled jobs now filled by illegal aliens is shrinking.
> "We're getting older and better educated, and unwilling and unsuited > to fill these [low-skilled] jobs." > > But this argument is seriously flawed, said George Borjas, a professor > at the Kennedy School of Government. > > Borjas said, "The correct statement is illegal immigrants do jobs > natives don't want to do at the going wage." And, he said, "If illegal > immigrants weren't here, we would still want our lawns mowed and our > children raised or whatever." > > There is research to support Borjas' argument. A National Academy of > Sciences study found that more than 40% of wage losses of low-skilled > workers was due to the immigration of workers. Other research from the > early 1990s found that more than 700,000 low-skill U.S. workers were > jobless because of illegal immigration. > > Many people, including Tancredo, believe that stricter sanctions > against the employers who hire illegal immigrants are necessary to > combat the problem. > > "Right now, the employer sanction program is basically a joke," Borjas > said. > > The administration is playing a dangerous game by not coming down > harder on the employers who hire illegals. > > Tancredo warned, "What they're trying to do is, somehow or other,
> allow for the movement of millions of people across the borders into > the United States illegally, and therefore provide a source of cheap > labor, while simultaneously trying to keep out people who would do us > great harm, terrorists." > > End the demand > > They cannot, of course, have it both ways. The administration has > proposed billions in new funding for border patrol, but it will never > be enough until they effectively deal with the demand side of the > equation. > > It's time for both business and government leaders to end the > wink-and-nod approach to the hiring of illegal aliens. And it's time > for this administration to form a national policy on immigration and > border security that effectively reduces the threat of terrorism and > stops the drain on our economy. It's time to take our borders > seriously > > Originally published on June 29, 2003 > > > > http://www.nydailynews.com/news/col/story/96543p-87419c.html
The sucking sound you hear is President Bush working on the hispanic voting bloc. Who will pay for the crimes committed against American citizens by the flood of illegal aliens?

Tom

From: briang@no-spam (Brian Gordon)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: 30 Jun 2003 11:27:04 -0700

In article <vg0tbgr793lg60@no-spam>,
rascie <rascie@no-spam> wrote:
>well who is going to pay when american citizens (non hispanics) commit >crimes against their own kind (as in fellow american citizens).
>
>I think we should all go back to where we came from and give the country >back to the natives of this land?
>whatcha think?
>

Well, I was born in the USA, as were my parents. Where am I eligible to "go back to"? I know I have at least some Scotch, Irish, English and German ancestors. I think there is some French, too. Do I just send several pounds of me to each country?

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From: "Gonzo" (nospam@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:08:50 GMT

You need to take a good look at "who" is commiting the crimes in this country before making an ignorant statement like that.

If you want to live in a third world slum then that's your perogative but I for one want to keep my country clean, safe and strong just like the way my ancestors and predecesors worked so hard to build.

"rascie" <rascie@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg0tbgr793lg60@no-spam > well who is going to pay when american citizens (non hispanics) commit > crimes against their own kind (as in fellow american citizens).
>
> I think we should all go back to where we came from and give the country > back to the natives of this land?
> whatcha think?
>
> rascie >
> > The sucking sound you hear is President Bush working on the hispanic > > voting bloc. Who will pay for the crimes committed against American > > citizens by the flood of illegal aliens?
> >
> > Tom >
>


From: "Rob Jones" (RJones@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:35:42 -0500

the only real Americans are native Indians. the rest of us are immigrants.
whitey took care of that, though. now whitey wants some real cheap labor, so they say, "come on over, mexicano, I've got lots of stuff for you to do"
yep, real patriotic folks. citizens already here with family don't matter.

---rj
"rascie" <rascie@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg0tbgr793lg60@no-spam > well who is going to pay when american citizens (non hispanics) commit > crimes against their own kind (as in fellow american citizens).
>
> I think we should all go back to where we came from and give the country > back to the natives of this land?
> whatcha think?
>
> rascie >
> > The sucking sound you hear is President Bush working on the hispanic > > voting bloc. Who will pay for the crimes committed against American > > citizens by the flood of illegal aliens?
> >
> > Tom >
>


From: "Rob Jones" (RJones@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:39:00 -0500

Poverty is what creates crime. its like a cancer and it grows with the help of people like georgie and his Rich friends who don't want to pay any taxes because they don't owe this country a damn thing. they would have become Rich and successful anywhere, not just in America, right? Wrong. if ole'
georgie had been born in Iraq, he'd(being as small as he is) just end up being someone's punk. (assuming his wealthy dad would have been a punk, too)

--rj
"Gonzo" <nospam@no-spam> wrote in message news:6V%La.28960$XV.1888513@no-spam > You need to take a good look at "who" is commiting the crimes in this > country before making an ignorant statement like that.
>
> If you want to live in a third world slum then that's your perogative but I > for one want to keep my country clean, safe and strong just like the way my > ancestors and predecesors worked so hard to build.
>
> "rascie" <rascie@no-spam> wrote in message > news:vg0tbgr793lg60@no-spam > > well who is going to pay when american citizens (non hispanics) commit > > crimes against their own kind (as in fellow american citizens).
> >
> > I think we should all go back to where we came from and give the country > > back to the natives of this land?
> > whatcha think?
> >
> > rascie > >
> > > The sucking sound you hear is President Bush working on the hispanic > > > voting bloc. Who will pay for the crimes committed against American > > > citizens by the flood of illegal aliens?
> > >
> > > Tom > >
> >
>
>


From: Red Cloud (redcloud@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:06:16 -0700

On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:35:42 -0500, "Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote:
>the only real Americans are native Indians. the rest of us are immigrants.

Even the so-called "native Indians" are immigrants, those that now have rights to the land, under control by political boundary, are those that can take and hold the land. Those non-native Indians do not, did not and cannot.


From: "Angel" (thecomputergoddess@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:07:42 -0700

Dear racist rob.

native american indians immigrated before the europeans, but they are also immigrants.

flush racist
"Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg17p235mjhc11@no-spam > the only real Americans are native Indians. the rest of us are immigrants.
> whitey took care of that, though. now whitey wants some real cheap labor,
so > they say, "come on over, mexicano, I've got lots of stuff for you to do"
> yep, real patriotic folks. citizens already here with family don't matter.
>
> ---rj >
>
> "rascie" <rascie@no-spam> wrote in message > news:vg0tbgr793lg60@no-spam > > well who is going to pay when american citizens (non hispanics) commit > > crimes against their own kind (as in fellow american citizens).
> >
> > I think we should all go back to where we came from and give the country > > back to the natives of this land?
> > whatcha think?
> >
> > rascie > >
> > > The sucking sound you hear is President Bush working on the hispanic > > > voting bloc. Who will pay for the crimes committed against American > > > citizens by the flood of illegal aliens?
> > >
> > > Tom > >
> >
>
>


From: Elvis on Line (songs@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:54:23 GMT

Rob Jones wrote:
> Poverty is what creates crime. its like a cancer and it grows with the help > of people like georgie and his Rich friends who don't want to pay any taxes > because they don't owe this country a damn thing. they would have become > Rich and successful anywhere, not just in America, right? Wrong. if ole'
> georgie had been born in Iraq, he'd(being as small as he is) just end up > being someone's punk. (assuming his wealthy dad would have been a punk, too)
> > --rj >
Right, and AIDS is spread by lack of funding.
There are a lot of poor people who don't commit crimes. Crimes are mostly related to race. Minorities commit most of the violent crimes.


From: Elvis on Line (songs@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:55:48 GMT

Rob Jones wrote:
> the only real Americans are native Indians. the rest of us are immigrants.
> whitey took care of that, though. now whitey wants some real cheap labor, so > they say, "come on over, mexicano, I've got lots of stuff for you to do"
> yep, real patriotic folks. citizens already here with family don't matter.
> > ---rj >
Every illegal caught in the US should be kneecapped and sent back. The next time you see someone limping you grab them and check for documents. That way noone gets profiled by race.


From: Elvis on Line (songs@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:56:37 GMT

Red Cloud wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:35:42 -0500, "Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote:
> >>the only real Americans are native Indians. the rest of us are immigrants.
> > > Even the so-called "native Indians" are immigrants, those that now have rights
> to the land, under control by political boundary, are those that can take and
> hold the land. Those non-native Indians do not, did not and cannot.
>
It was the Indians misfortune to be caught on our property when we got here.


From: Elvis on Line (songs@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:57:21 GMT

Angel wrote:
> Dear racist rob.
> > native american indians immigrated before the europeans, but they are also > immigrants.
> > flush racist >
But they are unfortunate in that they did not have automatic weapons.


From: "Phxbrd" (phxbrd@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:26:07 GMT

"Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message news:3F00B386.6070009@no-spam >
> >>>
> >
> > so should everyone go back to the great rift valley where humans > > became? or to the sea where life sprung forth first? We could always > > decimate the planet and spread the carbon combounds and gasses back > > to the stars that formed them in their core. or are we just refering > > to origins as of recorded history? in which case I don't wanna go > > back to dallas, it smells bad there.
> >
>
> Most major cities are starting to smell like Mexican cities. It's the > dirty diapers left in parking lots.

I've always wondered about that. Are you sure it's only Mexicans? It's 107F as I type. Would you keep a shitty Pampers in your Exploder?


From: "Gonzo" (nospam@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:38:27 GMT

"Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg17v53q27pl53@no-spam > Poverty is what creates crime. its like a cancer and it grows with the help > of people like georgie and his Rich friends who don't want to pay any taxes > because they don't owe this country a damn thing. they would have become > Rich and successful anywhere, not just in America, right? Wrong. if ole'
> georgie had been born in Iraq, he'd(being as small as he is) just end up > being someone's punk. (assuming his wealthy dad would have been a punk,
too)

Then the immigrants who settled in the west in the 1800s must have been a bunch of crack heads then? They were the poorest of them all yet they worked and flourished.

Most immigrants now days simply want a handout. I am a first generation European immigrant myself but I live in south Texas so I can tell you a little bit about most illegal immigrants from the south. Not too many people realize that even Illegals can and do get accepted for Social Services. This is MY and YOUR tax dollars we are talking about!

I EARNED my naturalization and it took me almost a year to finally get it.
I tried to get it overseas when I was in the Navy but had to wait to get stateside (U.S. Teritory) to finalize it. The day that I was sworn is they (The Govt) had an entire auditorium filled with about 300-600 Illegal immigrants mostly from Mexico who basically had been rewarded with a FREE citizenship by Bush Sr. This was back in 89 IIRC and it made me sick to my stomach. I stood there and watched as 90% of the Mixicans in line in front of me failed the language requirement but were still told to "just sit down"
for the naturalization ceremony etc.

Just food for thought: If it is so bad in Mexico, then why don't the people DO something about it rather than run away from it to live off of what WE have built up here?


From: "Gonzo" (nospam@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:47:03 GMT

"Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg17p235mjhc11@no-spam > the only real Americans are native Indians.

No, actually they are immigrants as well. But since they had no concept of national sovereignity they were doomed to extinction like the dinosaur that roamed the Americas before them.

> the rest of us are immigrants.
> whitey took care of that, though.

Who is "whitey"???

>now whitey wants some real cheap labor, so
Again, who is "whitey"? Im white and I say deport all IAs. Not enough jobs here for legal immigrands as well as native North Americans! So who exactly is this "whitey" person you keep bringing up? Do you have some sort of insecurity issue with your own race perhaps?

> they say, "come on over, mexicano,

Who is "they"? And how do YOU know what "they" say?

>I've got lots of stuff for you to do"
> yep, real patriotic folks. citizens already here with family don't matter.

Maybe in your state but if I knew about an IA in my town I would call the INS myself personally. If YOU are turning your back on IAs then that is YOUR problem and YOU are the one who has lost his patriotism. YOU do not speak for me! Let's just be clear about that!


From: "Greylock" (vincin@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:56:55 GMT

It would appear you want to admit illegal aliens so you can appear less illiterate by comparison.

If the illegals come here, they bring their culture here, and it it their culture that is the problem. Let them solve their problems in their own country. If they want to come here, let them do it legally. Otherwise, send their asses back.

As you have such a bleeding heart for their probems, why don't you go with them and help them out. I'm sure they would love to hear your suggestions.

"Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg1fg8s0cbusfa@no-spam > most Mexicans just want to get out of the hell hole their in. only 1% of > Mexicans OWN 90% of that country's wealth. and those few wealthy pricks come > to America to get their medical care, go shopping, party,etc.
> they don't give a rat's ass about their country, only their money. sound > familiar? of course, we have a much larger middle class than Mexico, but > its shrinking.
> this country should be making every effort to stimulate Mexico's economy > (and our own) and helping to rid them of there incredibly corrupt > government. its a rotten stinking sore of a government because the richies > own everything and have no use for a government. without an effective > government and FAIR elections, 90% of the population doesn't have a prayer.
> and what do they do, they come over here for a decent life. they're not > criminals because Mexico has already taken everything they have. and > America is headed in the same direction as Mexico. that's the pathetic > thing about the whole mess. if EVERYONE (including Enron) paid their taxes,
> and the government did its job without being paid off my big business and > the rich, then this country would be 10 times better than it is. we're on > our way to being just another corrupt, 3rd world country. it may take 20
or > 30 years, but we'll get there if we continue on this path.
>
> ---rj >
>
> "Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message > news:3F00B283.7040104@no-spam > >
> >
> > Rob Jones wrote:
> > > Poverty is what creates crime. its like a cancer and it grows with the > help > > > of people like georgie and his Rich friends who don't want to pay any > taxes > > > because they don't owe this country a damn thing. they would have become > > > Rich and successful anywhere, not just in America, right? Wrong. if > ole'
> > > georgie had been born in Iraq, he'd(being as small as he is) just end up > > > being someone's punk. (assuming his wealthy dad would have been a punk,
> too)
> > >
> > > --rj > > >
> >
> > Right, and AIDS is spread by lack of funding.
> > There are a lot of poor people who don't commit crimes. Crimes are > > mostly related to race. Minorities commit most of the violent crimes.
> >
>
>


From: "Phxbrd" (phxbrd@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:59:10 GMT

> > the only real Americans are native Indians.
>
> No, actually they are immigrants as well. But since they had no concept of > national sovereignity they were doomed to extinction like the dinosaur that > roamed the Americas before them.

Screw national sovereignty. They had no concept of privately owned land,
and welcomed the first gringos. They had their hustlers and land developers though. Those selling Manhattan Island for $24 had no title or claim to the land. They considered it uninhabitable and had never lived there. Smart Indians. It still is.


From: "Greylock" (vincin@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:02:36 GMT

Most - not all - but most, understand the comcept of trash cans. But not the illegals. The world is their trash can. By the evidence, they like it that way.

"Phxbrd" <phxbrd@no-spam> wrote in message news:3O2Ma.19468$C83.1852379@no-spam >
> "Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message > news:3F00B386.6070009@no-spam > >
> > >>>
> > >
> > > so should everyone go back to the great rift valley where humans > > > became? or to the sea where life sprung forth first? We could always > > > decimate the planet and spread the carbon combounds and gasses back > > > to the stars that formed them in their core. or are we just refering > > > to origins as of recorded history? in which case I don't wanna go > > > back to dallas, it smells bad there.
> > >
> >
> > Most major cities are starting to smell like Mexican cities. It's the > > dirty diapers left in parking lots.
>
> I've always wondered about that. Are you sure it's only Mexicans? It's > 107F as I type. Would you keep a shitty Pampers in your Exploder?
>
>
>


From: "anon" (anon@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:03:11 -0700

I don't mind paying taxes for the benefit of US Citizens. I will not pay taxes to support illegal aliens and their offspring. After taking advantage off all available loopholes, I only pay taxes on Social Security and a military pension.

"Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg17v53q27pl53@no-spam > Poverty is what creates crime. its like a cancer and it grows with the help > of people like georgie and his Rich friends who don't want to pay any taxes > because they don't owe this country a damn thing. they would have become > Rich and successful anywhere, not just in America, right? Wrong. if ole'
> georgie had been born in Iraq, he'd(being as small as he is) just end up > being someone's punk. (assuming his wealthy dad would have been a punk,
too)
>
> --rj >
>
> "Gonzo" <nospam@no-spam> wrote in message > news:6V%La.28960$XV.1888513@no-spam > > You need to take a good look at "who" is commiting the crimes in this > > country before making an ignorant statement like that.
> >
> > If you want to live in a third world slum then that's your perogative but > I > > for one want to keep my country clean, safe and strong just like the way > my > > ancestors and predecesors worked so hard to build.
> >
> > "rascie" <rascie@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:vg0tbgr793lg60@no-spam > > > well who is going to pay when american citizens (non hispanics) commit > > > crimes against their own kind (as in fellow american citizens).
> > >
> > > I think we should all go back to where we came from and give the country > > > back to the natives of this land?
> > > whatcha think?
> > >
> > > rascie > > >
> > > > The sucking sound you hear is President Bush working on the hispanic > > > > voting bloc. Who will pay for the crimes committed against American > > > > citizens by the flood of illegal aliens?
> > > >
> > > > Tom > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


From: "anon" (anon@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:07:37 -0700

Illegals from Mexico should be put ashore at Acapulco without shoes or money.

"Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message news:3F00B2D8.3000802@no-spam >
>
> Every illegal caught in the US should be kneecapped and sent back. The > next time you see someone limping you grab them and check for documents.
> That way noone gets profiled by race.
>


From: "Phxbrd" (phxbrd@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:11:14 GMT

The subject reminds me it must be breeding system in the swamps with all these klan vermin suddenly popping up.


From: "Rob Jones" (RJones@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:13:48 -0500

your property? "your property" will be there long after your are buried and forgotten.

--rj
"Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message news:3F00B30A.4000206@no-spam >
>
> Red Cloud wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:35:42 -0500, "Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote:
> >
> >>the only real Americans are native Indians. the rest of us are immigrants.
> >
> >
> > Even the so-called "native Indians" are immigrants, those that now have rights > > to the land, under control by political boundary, are those that can take and > > hold the land. Those non-native Indians do not, did not and cannot.
> >
>
> It was the Indians misfortune to be caught on our property when we got > here.
>


From: "Rob Jones" (RJones@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:23:04 -0500

I'm not bleeding for anyone's problems. I'm just stating the reason why they come here. its simple economics. they are broken, dirt poor people. you would be the same, but you were lucky and was born in the U.S. I'm not saying I'd love them to come over. that's stupid. they would just end up taking my job and get paid half of what I get paid, sooner or later. big business likes them, though, because it saves them alot of labor costs.
simple economics. ole george and company will reap the benefits of hiring mexicano's and you will be the one that has to deal with the downside of uncontrolled immigration. welcome to America, aint' it great?

--rj
"Greylock" <vincin@no-spam> wrote in message news:Xe3Ma.34506$hV.2118770@no-spam > It would appear you want to admit illegal aliens so you can appear less > illiterate by comparison.
>
> If the illegals come here, they bring their culture here, and it it their > culture that is the problem. Let them solve their problems in their own > country. If they want to come here, let them do it legally. Otherwise,
send > their asses back.
>
> As you have such a bleeding heart for their probems, why don't you go with > them and help them out. I'm sure they would love to hear your suggestions.
>
> "Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message > news:vg1fg8s0cbusfa@no-spam > > most Mexicans just want to get out of the hell hole their in. only 1%
of > > Mexicans OWN 90% of that country's wealth. and those few wealthy pricks > come > > to America to get their medical care, go shopping, party,etc.
> > they don't give a rat's ass about their country, only their money. sound > > familiar? of course, we have a much larger middle class than Mexico,
but > > its shrinking.
> > this country should be making every effort to stimulate Mexico's economy > > (and our own) and helping to rid them of there incredibly corrupt > > government. its a rotten stinking sore of a government because the richies > > own everything and have no use for a government. without an effective > > government and FAIR elections, 90% of the population doesn't have a > prayer.
> > and what do they do, they come over here for a decent life. they're not > > criminals because Mexico has already taken everything they have. and > > America is headed in the same direction as Mexico. that's the pathetic > > thing about the whole mess. if EVERYONE (including Enron) paid their > taxes,
> > and the government did its job without being paid off my big business and > > the rich, then this country would be 10 times better than it is. we're on > > our way to being just another corrupt, 3rd world country. it may take 20
> or > > 30 years, but we'll get there if we continue on this path.
> >
> > ---rj > >
> >
> > "Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:3F00B283.7040104@no-spam > > >
> > >
> > > Rob Jones wrote:
> > > > Poverty is what creates crime. its like a cancer and it grows with the > > help > > > > of people like georgie and his Rich friends who don't want to pay any > > taxes > > > > because they don't owe this country a damn thing. they would have > become > > > > Rich and successful anywhere, not just in America, right? Wrong. if > > ole'
> > > > georgie had been born in Iraq, he'd(being as small as he is) just end > up > > > > being someone's punk. (assuming his wealthy dad would have been a > punk,
> > too)
> > > >
> > > > --rj > > > >
> > >
> > > Right, and AIDS is spread by lack of funding.
> > > There are a lot of poor people who don't commit crimes. Crimes are > > > mostly related to race. Minorities commit most of the violent crimes.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


From: "Gonzo" (nospam@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:27:54 GMT

"Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg1h90a27jec79@no-spam > yep, you clowns are living up to texas standards. wanna' know why texas is > such a laugh in the rest of this country? because you truly are stupid,
> narrow-minded, public school 'educated', Nazi pricks. wanna' know why texas > is always 'picked' on in the media? because you all are good entertainment.

MSN.com ????

Damn Son, you use msn as your ISP and you have the gaul to call people from Texas narrow-minded nazis??

Im still debating whether or not I really want to stoop to your level. But at least I take confort in knowing that I was smart enough to get a real ISP LOL!

This is the problem with this country in that everybody is so busy trying to be PC that they have forgotten how to stick up for themselves politically.
What a shame. Looks like our country will be run by gun hating, rainbow flagged liberal mouthpieces LOL!

If Texas ever became it's own Republic again, I wouldn't have my feeling hurt at all. Especially if the rest of the Union goes the same way as CA and FL.


From: "Gonzo" (nospam@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:29:15 GMT

"Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg1hiohth9bi17@no-spam > I'm not bleeding for anyone's problems. I'm just stating the reason why they > come here. its simple economics. they are broken, dirt poor people. you > would be the same, but you were lucky and was born in the U.S. I'm not > saying I'd love them to come over. that's stupid. they would just end up > taking my job and get paid half of what I get paid, sooner or later. big > business likes them, though, because it saves them alot of labor costs.
> simple economics. ole george and company will reap the benefits of hiring > mexicano's and you will be the one that has to deal with the downside of > uncontrolled immigration. welcome to America, aint' it great?

IMO ole george needs to be taken out back and reminded of who pays the bills!


From: "Phxbrd" (phxbrd@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:30:28 GMT

"Gonzo" <nospam@no-spam> wrote in message news:1B3Ma.38985$xg5.12648@no-spam > "Phxbrd" <phxbrd@no-spam> wrote in message > news:ms3Ma.19528$C83.1857104@no-spam > > The subject reminds me it must be breeding system in the swamps with all > > these klan vermin suddenly popping up.
>
> Who are you talking too Phxbrd?
>
> And who are these "klan vermin" you are referring to?
>
> Let me take a wild guess here.. you live in California aka The Granola State > right?

Shit, you got me dude, I mean for real - like. I'm just another valley boy....


From: "Rob Jones" (RJones@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:31:38 -0500

you should not have to pay taxes for non citizens. why don't you tell george and his criminal big business friends to work with mexico to straighten out their government, which is 50 times more corrupt than our own.
george won't do it because it won't improve his wealth or his friends wealth, see how it works?

--rj
"anon" <anon@no-spam> wrote in message news:Dm2dndLEJ84sXJ2iXTWJiA@no-spam > I don't mind paying taxes for the benefit of US Citizens. I will not pay > taxes to support illegal aliens and their offspring. After taking advantage > off all available loopholes, I only pay taxes on Social Security and a > military pension.
>
> "Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message > news:vg17v53q27pl53@no-spam > > Poverty is what creates crime. its like a cancer and it grows with the > help > > of people like georgie and his Rich friends who don't want to pay any > taxes > > because they don't owe this country a damn thing. they would have become > > Rich and successful anywhere, not just in America, right? Wrong. if ole'
> > georgie had been born in Iraq, he'd(being as small as he is) just end up > > being someone's punk. (assuming his wealthy dad would have been a punk,
> too)
> >
> > --rj > >
> >
> > "Gonzo" <nospam@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:6V%La.28960$XV.1888513@no-spam > > > You need to take a good look at "who" is commiting the crimes in this > > > country before making an ignorant statement like that.
> > >
> > > If you want to live in a third world slum then that's your perogative > but > > I > > > for one want to keep my country clean, safe and strong just like the way > > my > > > ancestors and predecesors worked so hard to build.
> > >
> > > "rascie" <rascie@no-spam> wrote in message > > > news:vg0tbgr793lg60@no-spam > > > > well who is going to pay when american citizens (non hispanics)
commit > > > > crimes against their own kind (as in fellow american citizens).
> > > >
> > > > I think we should all go back to where we came from and give the > country > > > > back to the natives of this land?
> > > > whatcha think?
> > > >
> > > > rascie > > > >
> > > > > The sucking sound you hear is President Bush working on the hispanic > > > > > voting bloc. Who will pay for the crimes committed against American > > > > > citizens by the flood of illegal aliens?
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


From: "Rob Jones" (RJones@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:33:34 -0500

if you grew up in a trash can (mexico's rotten government) you would do the same. only when people have hope of a decent life to they begin to care about themselves and their surroundings.

--rj
"Greylock" <vincin@no-spam> wrote in message news:gk3Ma.34508$hV.2119183@no-spam > Most - not all - but most, understand the comcept of trash cans. But not the > illegals. The world is their trash can. By the evidence, they like it that > way.
>
> "Phxbrd" <phxbrd@no-spam> wrote in message > news:3O2Ma.19468$C83.1852379@no-spam > >
> > "Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:3F00B386.6070009@no-spam > > >
> > > >>>
> > > >
> > > > so should everyone go back to the great rift valley where humans > > > > became? or to the sea where life sprung forth first? We could always > > > > decimate the planet and spread the carbon combounds and gasses back > > > > to the stars that formed them in their core. or are we just refering > > > > to origins as of recorded history? in which case I don't wanna go > > > > back to dallas, it smells bad there.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Most major cities are starting to smell like Mexican cities. It's the > > > dirty diapers left in parking lots.
> >
> > I've always wondered about that. Are you sure it's only Mexicans? It's > > 107F as I type. Would you keep a shitty Pampers in your Exploder?
> >
> >
> >
>
>


From: "Rob Jones" (RJones@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:36:38 -0500

its not him and his rich friends because he's giving them huge tax breaks.

--rj
"Gonzo" <nospam@no-spam> wrote in message news:fJ3Ma.38987$xg5.10152@no-spam > "Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message > news:vg1hiohth9bi17@no-spam > > I'm not bleeding for anyone's problems. I'm just stating the reason why > they > > come here. its simple economics. they are broken, dirt poor people. you > > would be the same, but you were lucky and was born in the U.S. I'm not > > saying I'd love them to come over. that's stupid. they would just end up > > taking my job and get paid half of what I get paid, sooner or later. big > > business likes them, though, because it saves them alot of labor costs.
> > simple economics. ole george and company will reap the benefits of hiring > > mexicano's and you will be the one that has to deal with the downside of > > uncontrolled immigration. welcome to America, aint' it great?
>
> IMO ole george needs to be taken out back and reminded of who pays the > bills!
>
>


From: "Rob Jones" (RJones@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:42:36 -0500

gonzo? I hate to disappoint you but its a FAKE email address. I do not use MSN as my ISP, thank god. you should know that, its pretty basic stuff.

--rj
"Gonzo" <nospam@no-spam> wrote in message news:_H3Ma.38986$xg5.34796@no-spam > "Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message > news:vg1h90a27jec79@no-spam > > yep, you clowns are living up to texas standards. wanna' know why texas is > > such a laugh in the rest of this country? because you truly are stupid,
> > narrow-minded, public school 'educated', Nazi pricks. wanna' know why > texas > > is always 'picked' on in the media? because you all are good > entertainment.
>
> MSN.com ????
>
> Damn Son, you use msn as your ISP and you have the gaul to call people from > Texas narrow-minded nazis??
>
> Im still debating whether or not I really want to stoop to your level.
But > at least I take confort in knowing that I was smart enough to get a real ISP > LOL!
>
> This is the problem with this country in that everybody is so busy trying to > be PC that they have forgotten how to stick up for themselves politically.
> What a shame. Looks like our country will be run by gun hating, rainbow > flagged liberal mouthpieces LOL!
>
> If Texas ever became it's own Republic again, I wouldn't have my feeling > hurt at all. Especially if the rest of the Union goes the same way as CA > and FL.
>
>


From: "Gonzo" (nospam@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 00:23:04 GMT

"Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg1htg11cgo5be@no-spam > they cannot because when you are rapped up in where you next meal is, its > hard to be concerned about the rich fucks (all 500 of them) who own your > country.

Oh you mean like the British did to us but we DID something about it? What a cop out.

> also, they are not educated so they don't understand HOW to change > the system(rotten to the core it is)

Yeah and Gen Washington had a masters in bioengeneering so that's how we got our independence right?

> they just know they're being corn holed and want OUT.

To cornhole us.

>the real crime in > mexico is the wealthy few who DO NOTHING to improve their country. its > pathetic.

No, NOBODY does "NOTHING to improve their country" over there. That is the REAL problem.

>THEY have the means to make things work, but as long as it doesn't > affect their immense wealth, they could not care less. Mexicans need to be > armed so they can TAKE their country BACK from the rich criminals. but they > are not armed and the money likes it that way.

Have you ever actually been to Mexico?? If you saw some of the guns they have available down there you wouldn't have made that statement.

>
> ---Thank got for guns for they have made U.S. free.

It takes more than just guns. Thank God for people who have the fortitude and will to make their own destiny. Apparently no such people live in S.America like that with the exeception of Brazil etc.


From: "Gonzo" (nospam@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 00:25:51 GMT

He wanted to do the same thing with IAs just like Bush Sr did in the 80s and that is to reward them for being here illegally by giving them naturalization without working for it or paying for breaking the law in the first place. This basically amounts to being "invaded" and having our Govt do absolutely nothing to stop it.

9/11 is the only reason Bush Jr. is not persuing "free citizenship" at this time because he realizes it would loose him the next election. That's common sense.

"Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg1ic83fuckj9c@no-spam > its not him and his rich friends because he's giving them huge tax breaks.
>
> --rj >
>
> "Gonzo" <nospam@no-spam> wrote in message > news:fJ3Ma.38987$xg5.10152@no-spam > > "Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:vg1hiohth9bi17@no-spam > > > I'm not bleeding for anyone's problems. I'm just stating the reason why > > they > > > come here. its simple economics. they are broken, dirt poor people.
you > > > would be the same, but you were lucky and was born in the U.S. I'm not > > > saying I'd love them to come over. that's stupid. they would just end up > > > taking my job and get paid half of what I get paid, sooner or later.
big > > > business likes them, though, because it saves them alot of labor costs.
> > > simple economics. ole george and company will reap the benefits of > hiring > > > mexicano's and you will be the one that has to deal with the downside of > > > uncontrolled immigration. welcome to America, aint' it great?
> >
> > IMO ole george needs to be taken out back and reminded of who pays the > > bills!
> >
> >
>
>


From: "Gonzo" (nospam@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 00:27:04 GMT

"Phxbrd" <phxbrd@no-spam> wrote in message news:oK3Ma.19553$C83.1858472@no-spam >
> "Gonzo" <nospam@no-spam> wrote in message > news:1B3Ma.38985$xg5.12648@no-spam > > "Phxbrd" <phxbrd@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:ms3Ma.19528$C83.1857104@no-spam > > > The subject reminds me it must be breeding system in the swamps with all > > > these klan vermin suddenly popping up.
> >
> > Who are you talking too Phxbrd?
> >
> > And who are these "klan vermin" you are referring to?
> >
> > Let me take a wild guess here.. you live in California aka The Granola > State > > right?
>
> Shit, you got me dude, I mean for real - like. I'm just another valley > boy....

LOL....figures. Have fun in Kaliforniavik! Won't be long before your gun collection is forced away from you by the ATF LOL!


From: "Gonzo" (nospam@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 00:28:11 GMT

Agree 100%

"Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg1i2rdk4otp0c@no-spam > you should not have to pay taxes for non citizens. why don't you tell > george and his criminal big business friends to work with mexico to > straighten out their government, which is 50 times more corrupt than our > own.
> george won't do it because it won't improve his wealth or his friends > wealth, see how it works?
>
> --rj >
>
> "anon" <anon@no-spam> wrote in message > news:Dm2dndLEJ84sXJ2iXTWJiA@no-spam > > I don't mind paying taxes for the benefit of US Citizens. I will not pay > > taxes to support illegal aliens and their offspring. After taking > advantage > > off all available loopholes, I only pay taxes on Social Security and a > > military pension.
> >
> > "Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:vg17v53q27pl53@no-spam > > > Poverty is what creates crime. its like a cancer and it grows with the > > help > > > of people like georgie and his Rich friends who don't want to pay any > > taxes > > > because they don't owe this country a damn thing. they would have become > > > Rich and successful anywhere, not just in America, right? Wrong. if > ole'
> > > georgie had been born in Iraq, he'd(being as small as he is) just end up > > > being someone's punk. (assuming his wealthy dad would have been a punk,
> > too)
> > >
> > > --rj > > >
> > >
> > > "Gonzo" <nospam@no-spam> wrote in message > > > news:6V%La.28960$XV.1888513@no-spam > > > > You need to take a good look at "who" is commiting the crimes in this > > > > country before making an ignorant statement like that.
> > > >
> > > > If you want to live in a third world slum then that's your perogative > > but > > > I > > > > for one want to keep my country clean, safe and strong just like the > way > > > my > > > > ancestors and predecesors worked so hard to build.
> > > >
> > > > "rascie" <rascie@no-spam> wrote in message > > > > news:vg0tbgr793lg60@no-spam > > > > > well who is going to pay when american citizens (non hispanics)
> commit > > > > > crimes against their own kind (as in fellow american citizens).
> > > > >
> > > > > I think we should all go back to where we came from and give the > > country > > > > > back to the natives of this land?
> > > > > whatcha think?
> > > > >
> > > > > rascie > > > > >
> > > > > > The sucking sound you hear is President Bush working on the > hispanic > > > > > > voting bloc. Who will pay for the crimes committed against > American > > > > > > citizens by the flood of illegal aliens?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


From: "Greylock" (vincin@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 00:29:25 GMT

You said they CAME here for hope.

Now your saying they are trashing my country because they have no hope.

Clearly you are a waste of time.

Adios.

<plonk>

"Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg1i6fgfrlbd40@no-spam > if you grew up in a trash can (mexico's rotten government) you would do the > same. only when people have hope of a decent life to they begin to care > about themselves and their surroundings.
>
> --rj >
>
>
> "Greylock" <vincin@no-spam> wrote in message > news:gk3Ma.34508$hV.2119183@no-spam > > Most - not all - but most, understand the comcept of trash cans. But not > the > > illegals. The world is their trash can. By the evidence, they like it that > > way.
> >
> > "Phxbrd" <phxbrd@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:3O2Ma.19468$C83.1852379@no-spam > > >
> > > "Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message > > > news:3F00B386.6070009@no-spam > > > >
> > > > >>>
> > > > >
> > > > > so should everyone go back to the great rift valley where humans > > > > > became? or to the sea where life sprung forth first? We could always > > > > > decimate the planet and spread the carbon combounds and gasses back > > > > > to the stars that formed them in their core. or are we just refering > > > > > to origins as of recorded history? in which case I don't wanna go > > > > > back to dallas, it smells bad there.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Most major cities are starting to smell like Mexican cities. It's the > > > > dirty diapers left in parking lots.
> > >
> > > I've always wondered about that. Are you sure it's only Mexicans?
It's > > > 107F as I type. Would you keep a shitty Pampers in your Exploder?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


From: "Greylock" (vincin@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 00:31:35 GMT

So anybody who thinks the United States should take control of their borders and eject the illegals is automatically a representative of the Klan?

Your mental processes must be fascinating.

"Phxbrd" <phxbrd@no-spam> wrote in message news:ms3Ma.19528$C83.1857104@no-spam > The subject reminds me it must be breeding system in the swamps with all > these klan vermin suddenly popping up.
>
>
>


From: "Gonzo" (nospam@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 00:32:22 GMT

This is a matter of self pride and self impovement. Singapore had a similar problem like this in the 80s and their Govt stepped in with harsh laws regarding things like that which we take for granted. But the laws worked and Singapore is one of the most beutiful countries in Asia that I have had the pleasure of visiting.

IMO it's still a matter of mindset more than anything. It's the old "blame the rich" and "I don't care" attitude that prevails down south.

Not all S American countries are like this though. Look at Argentina and Brazil. They were poor at one time also.

"Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg1i6fgfrlbd40@no-spam > if you grew up in a trash can (mexico's rotten government) you would do the > same. only when people have hope of a decent life to they begin to care > about themselves and their surroundings.
>
> --rj >
>
>
> "Greylock" <vincin@no-spam> wrote in message > news:gk3Ma.34508$hV.2119183@no-spam > > Most - not all - but most, understand the comcept of trash cans. But not > the > > illegals. The world is their trash can. By the evidence, they like it that > > way.
> >
> > "Phxbrd" <phxbrd@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:3O2Ma.19468$C83.1852379@no-spam > > >
> > > "Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message > > > news:3F00B386.6070009@no-spam > > > >
> > > > >>>
> > > > >
> > > > > so should everyone go back to the great rift valley where humans > > > > > became? or to the sea where life sprung forth first? We could always > > > > > decimate the planet and spread the carbon combounds and gasses back > > > > > to the stars that formed them in their core. or are we just refering > > > > > to origins as of recorded history? in which case I don't wanna go > > > > > back to dallas, it smells bad there.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Most major cities are starting to smell like Mexican cities. It's the > > > > dirty diapers left in parking lots.
> > >
> > > I've always wondered about that. Are you sure it's only Mexicans?
It's > > > 107F as I type. Would you keep a shitty Pampers in your Exploder?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


From: "Gonzo" (nospam@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 00:33:28 GMT

I don't make it a habbit of spying at headers. Im not that paranoid. I do not live in Kalifornia after all LOL!

"Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg1inccvjsf33f@no-spam > gonzo? I hate to disappoint you but its a FAKE email address. I do not use > MSN as my ISP, thank god. you should know that, its pretty basic stuff.
>
> --rj >
>
> "Gonzo" <nospam@no-spam> wrote in message > news:_H3Ma.38986$xg5.34796@no-spam > > "Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:vg1h90a27jec79@no-spam > > > yep, you clowns are living up to texas standards. wanna' know why texas > is > > > such a laugh in the rest of this country? because you truly are stupid,
> > > narrow-minded, public school 'educated', Nazi pricks. wanna' know why > > texas > > > is always 'picked' on in the media? because you all are good > > entertainment.
> >
> > MSN.com ????
> >
> > Damn Son, you use msn as your ISP and you have the gaul to call people > from > > Texas narrow-minded nazis??
> >
> > Im still debating whether or not I really want to stoop to your level.
> But > > at least I take confort in knowing that I was smart enough to get a real > ISP > > LOL!
> >
> > This is the problem with this country in that everybody is so busy trying > to > > be PC that they have forgotten how to stick up for themselves politically.
> > What a shame. Looks like our country will be run by gun hating, rainbow > > flagged liberal mouthpieces LOL!
> >
> > If Texas ever became it's own Republic again, I wouldn't have my feeling > > hurt at all. Especially if the rest of the Union goes the same way as CA > > and FL.
> >
> >
>
>


From: "Greylock" (vincin@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 00:34:40 GMT

Considering the source, I can't but be glad you don't like Texas.

Hopefully that means you'll keep your sorry ass out of here.

Cheers.

"Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg1h90a27jec79@no-spam > yep, you clowns are living up to texas standards. wanna' know why texas is > such a laugh in the rest of this country? because you truly are stupid,
> narrow-minded, public school 'educated', Nazi pricks. wanna' know why texas > is always 'picked' on in the media? because you all are good entertainment.
>
>
> --rj (here i sit, cheeks a flexin', just gave birth to another texan)
>
>
>
> "Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message > news:3F00B2D8.3000802@no-spam > >
> >
> > Rob Jones wrote:
> > > the only real Americans are native Indians. the rest of us are > immigrants.
> > > whitey took care of that, though. now whitey wants some real cheap > labor, so > > > they say, "come on over, mexicano, I've got lots of stuff for you to do"
> > > yep, real patriotic folks. citizens already here with family don't > matter.
> > >
> > > ---rj > > >
> >
> > Every illegal caught in the US should be kneecapped and sent back. The > > next time you see someone limping you grab them and check for documents.
> > That way noone gets profiled by race.
> >
>
>
>


From: "Rob Jones" (RJones@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:44:30 -0500

it IS partly OUR responsibility by default of geography. face the facts,
Mexico isn't going anywhere and neither are the Mexicans. you can't wish them away. they are neighbors and that will not change (unless you can figure out a way to separate the continental plates)
why don't we be Smart and realize that if we get Mexico's shit together,
then that will help us get OUR shit together. WE will benefit from a prosperous, healthy Mexico. pretty wild concept, huh?
if things stay like shit over there, then nothing will change and you might be speaking Spanish in 30 or 40 years.
Mexico needs an effective, non-corrupt government. they have a shitload of natural resources.
and what about drugs? that would be a way to at least slow down the river of drugs coming up thru Mexico. if their government was solid and trustworthy, it would be easier for us to help them fight the scourge of drugs.

----no one is an island.

"Neal Atkins" <natkins@no-spam> wrote in message news:3f00d1f7.9848906@no-spam > On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:31:38 -0500, "Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam>
> wrote:
>
> >you should not have to pay taxes for non citizens. why don't you tell > >george and his criminal big business friends to work with mexico to > >straighten out their government, which is 50 times more corrupt than our > >own.
> >george won't do it because it won't improve his wealth or his friends > >wealth, see how it works?
>
> Why don't you alert the UN, top posting moron? How did "regime > change" in Mexico become a U.S. responsibility?


From: "Gonzo" (nospam@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 01:09:40 GMT

May be but how many Arentins do you know that have came to the US Illegally?

"Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg1mdnhcj6bq61@no-spam > Argentina's unemployment is thru the roof.
>
> --rj >
>
> "Gonzo" <nospam@no-spam> wrote in message > news:qE4Ma.39001$xg5.38985@no-spam > > This is a matter of self pride and self impovement. Singapore had a > similar > > problem like this in the 80s and their Govt stepped in with harsh laws > > regarding things like that which we take for granted. But the laws worked > > and Singapore is one of the most beutiful countries in Asia that I have > had > > the pleasure of visiting.
> >
> > IMO it's still a matter of mindset more than anything. It's the old > "blame > > the rich" and "I don't care" attitude that prevails down south.
> >
> > Not all S American countries are like this though. Look at Argentina and > > Brazil. They were poor at one time also.
> >
> > "Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:vg1i6fgfrlbd40@no-spam > > > if you grew up in a trash can (mexico's rotten government) you would do > > the > > > same. only when people have hope of a decent life to they begin to care > > > about themselves and their surroundings.
> > >
> > > --rj > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Greylock" <vincin@no-spam> wrote in message > > > news:gk3Ma.34508$hV.2119183@no-spam > > > > Most - not all - but most, understand the comcept of trash cans. But > not > > > the > > > > illegals. The world is their trash can. By the evidence, they like it > > that > > > > way.
> > > >
> > > > "Phxbrd" <phxbrd@no-spam> wrote in message > > > > news:3O2Ma.19468$C83.1852379@no-spam > > > > >
> > > > > "Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message > > > > > news:3F00B386.6070009@no-spam > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > so should everyone go back to the great rift valley where humans > > > > > > > became? or to the sea where life sprung forth first? We could > > always > > > > > > > decimate the planet and spread the carbon combounds and gasses > > back > > > > > > > to the stars that formed them in their core. or are we just > > refering > > > > > > > to origins as of recorded history? in which case I don't wanna > go > > > > > > > back to dallas, it smells bad there.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Most major cities are starting to smell like Mexican cities.
It's > > the > > > > > > dirty diapers left in parking lots.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've always wondered about that. Are you sure it's only Mexicans?
> > It's > > > > > 107F as I type. Would you keep a shitty Pampers in your Exploder?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


From: "Angel" (thecomputergoddess@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:44:15 -0700

"Phxbrd" <phxbrd@no-spam> wrote in message news:3O2Ma.19468$C83.1852379@no-spam >
> "Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message > news:3F00B386.6070009@no-spam > >
> > >>>
> > >
> > > so should everyone go back to the great rift valley where humans > > > became? or to the sea where life sprung forth first? We could always > > > decimate the planet and spread the carbon combounds and gasses back > > > to the stars that formed them in their core. or are we just refering > > > to origins as of recorded history? in which case I don't wanna go > > > back to dallas, it smells bad there.
> > >
> >
> > Most major cities are starting to smell like Mexican cities. It's the > > dirty diapers left in parking lots.
>
> I've always wondered about that. Are you sure it's only Mexicans? It's > 107F as I type. Would you keep a shitty Pampers in your Exploder?
>
Only a real asshole would dump it in a parking lot or on the street. Take it to a trash can.


From: "Angel" (thecomputergoddess@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:45:39 -0700

One can be poor and still be clean and dispose of trash properly.

"Gonzo" <nospam@no-spam> wrote in message news:qE4Ma.39001$xg5.38985@no-spam > This is a matter of self pride and self impovement. Singapore had a similar > problem like this in the 80s and their Govt stepped in with harsh laws > regarding things like that which we take for granted. But the laws worked > and Singapore is one of the most beutiful countries in Asia that I have had > the pleasure of visiting.
>
> IMO it's still a matter of mindset more than anything. It's the old "blame > the rich" and "I don't care" attitude that prevails down south.
>
> Not all S American countries are like this though. Look at Argentina and > Brazil. They were poor at one time also.
>
> "Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message > news:vg1i6fgfrlbd40@no-spam > > if you grew up in a trash can (mexico's rotten government) you would do > the > > same. only when people have hope of a decent life to they begin to care > > about themselves and their surroundings.
> >
> > --rj > >
> >
> >
> > "Greylock" <vincin@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:gk3Ma.34508$hV.2119183@no-spam > > > Most - not all - but most, understand the comcept of trash cans. But not > > the > > > illegals. The world is their trash can. By the evidence, they like it > that > > > way.
> > >
> > > "Phxbrd" <phxbrd@no-spam> wrote in message > > > news:3O2Ma.19468$C83.1852379@no-spam > > > >
> > > > "Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message > > > > news:3F00B386.6070009@no-spam > > > > >
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > so should everyone go back to the great rift valley where humans > > > > > > became? or to the sea where life sprung forth first? We could > always > > > > > > decimate the planet and spread the carbon combounds and gasses > back > > > > > > to the stars that formed them in their core. or are we just > refering > > > > > > to origins as of recorded history? in which case I don't wanna go > > > > > > back to dallas, it smells bad there.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Most major cities are starting to smell like Mexican cities. It's > the > > > > > dirty diapers left in parking lots.
> > > >
> > > > I've always wondered about that. Are you sure it's only Mexicans?
> It's > > > > 107F as I type. Would you keep a shitty Pampers in your Exploder?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


From: "Angel" (thecomputergoddess@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:47:22 -0700

What hogwash. I know lots of poor people who aren't criminals and lots of minorities who aren't criminals. Crime is a choice. Some people choose to commit crime.

"Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message news:3F00B283.7040104@no-spam >
>
> Rob Jones wrote:
> > Poverty is what creates crime. its like a cancer and it grows with the help > > of people like georgie and his Rich friends who don't want to pay any taxes > > because they don't owe this country a damn thing. they would have become > > Rich and successful anywhere, not just in America, right? Wrong. if ole'
> > georgie had been born in Iraq, he'd(being as small as he is) just end up > > being someone's punk. (assuming his wealthy dad would have been a punk,
too)
> >
> > --rj > >
>
> Right, and AIDS is spread by lack of funding.
> There are a lot of poor people who don't commit crimes. Crimes are > mostly related to race. Minorities commit most of the violent crimes.
>


From: "Angel" (thecomputergoddess@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:51:41 -0700

"Gonzo" <nospam@no-spam> wrote in message news:DZ2Ma.38850$xg5.17331@no-spam
>
> Then the immigrants who settled in the west in the 1800s must have been a > bunch of crack heads then? They were the poorest of them all yet they > worked and flourished.
>
> Most immigrants now days simply want a handout. I am a first generation > European immigrant myself but I live in south Texas so I can tell you a > little bit about most illegal immigrants from the south. Not too many > people realize that even Illegals can and do get accepted for Social > Services. This is MY and YOUR tax dollars we are talking about!
>
> I EARNED my naturalization and it took me almost a year to finally get it.
> I tried to get it overseas when I was in the Navy but had to wait to get > stateside (U.S. Teritory) to finalize it. The day that I was sworn is they > (The Govt) had an entire auditorium filled with about 300-600 Illegal > immigrants mostly from Mexico who basically had been rewarded with a FREE > citizenship by Bush Sr. This was back in 89 IIRC and it made me sick to my > stomach. I stood there and watched as 90% of the Mixicans in line in front > of me failed the language requirement but were still told to "just sit down"
> for the naturalization ceremony etc.
>
> Just food for thought: If it is so bad in Mexico, then why don't the > people DO something about it rather than run away from it to live off of > what WE have built up here?
>
>
You are the kind of immigrant who helped make America great: here legally,
became citizen, work and pay taxes, etc.

It's easier to expect $$ from the stupid gringos than to actually fix what's wrong in their own country.


From: "Angel" (thecomputergoddess@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:13:14 -0700

I'll vote for that.
"anon" <anon@no-spam> wrote in message news:b5qdnb9Zd_qFlZyiU-KYvQ@no-spam > Your are right about Singapore being a beautiful city. They do not tolerate > illegal aliens. Employers of illegals are heavily fined and sent to prison.
> The illegals are not just fed, and given a free ride home, they are usually > sentenced to prison terms, and are used as laborers (like the old chain > gangs) to pay for their keep while serving their sentences. Punishment for > both illegals and their employers usually includes caining. They have very > few repeat offenders.
>
> "Gonzo" <nospam@no-spam> wrote in message > news:qE4Ma.39001$xg5.38985@no-spam > > This is a matter of self pride and self impovement. Singapore had a > similar > > problem like this in the 80s and their Govt stepped in with harsh laws > > regarding things like that which we take for granted. But the laws worked > > and Singapore is one of the most beutiful countries in Asia that I have > had > > the pleasure of visiting.
> >
> > IMO it's still a matter of mindset more than anything. It's the old > "blame > > the rich" and "I don't care" attitude that prevails down south.
> >
> > Not all S American countries are like this though. Look at Argentina and > > Brazil. They were poor at one time also.
> >
> > "Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:vg1i6fgfrlbd40@no-spam > > > if you grew up in a trash can (mexico's rotten government) you would do > > the > > > same. only when people have hope of a decent life to they begin to care > > > about themselves and their surroundings.
> > >
> > > --rj > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Greylock" <vincin@no-spam> wrote in message > > > news:gk3Ma.34508$hV.2119183@no-spam > > > > Most - not all - but most, understand the comcept of trash cans. But > not > > > the > > > > illegals. The world is their trash can. By the evidence, they like it > > that > > > > way.
> > > >
> > > > "Phxbrd" <phxbrd@no-spam> wrote in message > > > > news:3O2Ma.19468$C83.1852379@no-spam > > > > >
> > > > > "Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message > > > > > news:3F00B386.6070009@no-spam > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > so should everyone go back to the great rift valley where humans > > > > > > > became? or to the sea where life sprung forth first? We could > > always > > > > > > > decimate the planet and spread the carbon combounds and gasses > > back > > > > > > > to the stars that formed them in their core. or are we just > > refering > > > > > > > to origins as of recorded history? in which case I don't wanna > go > > > > > > > back to dallas, it smells bad there.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Most major cities are starting to smell like Mexican cities.
It's > > the > > > > > > dirty diapers left in parking lots.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've always wondered about that. Are you sure it's only Mexicans?
> > It's > > > > > 107F as I type. Would you keep a shitty Pampers in your Exploder?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


From: "anon" (anon@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:48:07 -0700

I noticed how clean it was and how clean the locals were last time I visited the slums.

"Angel" <thecomputergoddess@no-spam> wrote in message news:XW2dnWm878t5npyiXTWJiA@no-spam > One can be poor and still be clean and dispose of trash properly.
>
> "Gonzo" <nospam@no-spam> wrote in message > news:qE4Ma.39001$xg5.38985@no-spam > > This is a matter of self pride and self impovement. Singapore had a > similar > > problem like this in the 80s and their Govt stepped in with harsh laws > > regarding things like that which we take for granted. But the laws worked > > and Singapore is one of the most beutiful countries in Asia that I have > had > > the pleasure of visiting.
> >
> > IMO it's still a matter of mindset more than anything. It's the old > "blame > > the rich" and "I don't care" attitude that prevails down south.
> >
> > Not all S American countries are like this though. Look at Argentina and > > Brazil. They were poor at one time also.
> >
> > "Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:vg1i6fgfrlbd40@no-spam > > > if you grew up in a trash can (mexico's rotten government) you would do > > the > > > same. only when people have hope of a decent life to they begin to care > > > about themselves and their surroundings.
> > >
> > > --rj > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Greylock" <vincin@no-spam> wrote in message > > > news:gk3Ma.34508$hV.2119183@no-spam > > > > Most - not all - but most, understand the comcept of trash cans. But > not > > > the > > > > illegals. The world is their trash can. By the evidence, they like it > > that > > > > way.
> > > >
> > > > "Phxbrd" <phxbrd@no-spam> wrote in message > > > > news:3O2Ma.19468$C83.1852379@no-spam > > > > >
> > > > > "Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message > > > > > news:3F00B386.6070009@no-spam > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > so should everyone go back to the great rift valley where humans > > > > > > > became? or to the sea where life sprung forth first? We could > > always > > > > > > > decimate the planet and spread the carbon combounds and gasses > > back > > > > > > > to the stars that formed them in their core. or are we just > > refering > > > > > > > to origins as of recorded history? in which case I don't wanna > go > > > > > > > back to dallas, it smells bad there.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Most major cities are starting to smell like Mexican cities.
It's > > the > > > > > > dirty diapers left in parking lots.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've always wondered about that. Are you sure it's only Mexicans?
> > It's > > > > > 107F as I type. Would you keep a shitty Pampers in your Exploder?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


From: Elvis on Line (songs@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 04:51:42 GMT

Rob Jones wrote:
> most Mexicans just want to get out of the hell hole their in. only 1% of > Mexicans OWN 90% of that country's wealth. and those few wealthy pricks come > to America to get their medical care, go shopping, party,etc.
> they don't give a rat's ass about their country, only their money. sound > familiar? of course, we have a much larger middle class than Mexico, but > its shrinking.
> this country should be making every effort to stimulate Mexico's economy > (and our own) and helping to rid them of there incredibly corrupt > government. its a rotten stinking sore of a government because the richies > own everything and have no use for a government. without an effective > government and FAIR elections, 90% of the population doesn't have a prayer.
> and what do they do, they come over here for a decent life. they're not > criminals because Mexico has already taken everything they have. and > America is headed in the same direction as Mexico. that's the pathetic > thing about the whole mess. if EVERYONE (including Enron) paid their taxes,
> and the government did its job without being paid off my big business and > the rich, then this country would be 10 times better than it is. we're on > our way to being just another corrupt, 3rd world country. it may take 20 or > 30 years, but we'll get there if we continue on this path.
> > ---rj
We can start helping the United States by getting rid of the illegal Mexicans, and telling them to go vote in their own country.


From: Elvis on Line (songs@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 04:55:13 GMT

Rob Jones wrote:
> its not him and his rich friends because he's giving them huge tax breaks.
> > --rj >
You have to pay taxes to get a tax break. You have to pay taxes to get a refund.


From: Elvis on Line (songs@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 04:57:38 GMT

Rob Jones wrote:
> they cannot because when you are rapped up in where you next meal is, its > hard to be concerned about the rich fucks (all 500 of them) who own your > country. also, they are not educated so they don't understand HOW to change > the system(rotten to the core it is)
> they just know they're being corn holed and want OUT. the real crime in > mexico is the wealthy few who DO NOTHING to improve their country. its > pathetic. THEY have the means to make things work, but as long as it doesn't > affect their immense wealth, they could not care less. Mexicans need to be > armed so they can TAKE their country BACK from the rich criminals. but they > are not armed and the money likes it that way.
> > ---Thank got for guns for they have made U.S. free.
> >
The problem with Mexico is it is full of Mexicans, and they all think alike. You are right about one thing, it is easy to push unarmed people around.


From: Elvis on Line (songs@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 04:59:00 GMT

Rob Jones wrote:
> you should not have to pay taxes for non citizens. why don't you tell > george and his criminal big business friends to work with mexico to > straighten out their government, which is 50 times more corrupt than our > own.
> george won't do it because it won't improve his wealth or his friends > wealth, see how it works?
> > --rj
Where in our Constitution does it say President Bush has to work to improve Mexico?


From: Elvis on Line (songs@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 05:02:02 GMT

Rob Jones wrote:
> your property? "your property" will be there long after your are buried and > forgotten.
> > --rj >
Yes, but I won't leave it to the Indians.


From: Elvis on Line (songs@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 05:10:12 GMT

Rob Jones wrote:
> if you grew up in a trash can (mexico's rotten government) you would do the > same. only when people have hope of a decent life to they begin to care > about themselves and their surroundings.
> > --rj > >
Go to the Calexico/Mexicali border. On the American side, in Calexio, walk around behind the stores and other buildings. Wear rubber hip boots because you will find human feces every step you take. This is from Mexicans wandering around caring about themselves in better surroundings. Go to LA and spend a weekend evening walking East LA, and see how diversity has strengthened us, and the Mexicans have helped our culture and improved themselves. When they shoot at you or stab you, try to take it in the arm, and avoid arteries.


From: Elvis on Line (songs@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 05:12:51 GMT

anon wrote:
> I noticed how clean it was and how clean the locals were last time I visited > the slums.
> Tell us about the slums.


From: Elvis on Line (songs@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 05:13:28 GMT

anon wrote:
> Your are right about Singapore being a beautiful city. They do not tolerate > illegal aliens. Employers of illegals are heavily fined and sent to prison.
> The illegals are not just fed, and given a free ride home, they are usually > sentenced to prison terms, and are used as laborers (like the old chain > gangs) to pay for their keep while serving their sentences. Punishment for > both illegals and their employers usually includes caining. They have very > few repeat offenders.

And no Mexicans
> > "Gonzo" <nospam@no-spam> wrote in message > news:qE4Ma.39001$xg5.38985@no-spam > >>This is a matter of self pride and self impovement. Singapore had a > > similar > >>problem like this in the 80s and their Govt stepped in with harsh laws >>regarding things like that which we take for granted. But the laws worked >>and Singapore is one of the most beutiful countries in Asia that I have > > had > >>the pleasure of visiting.
>>
>>IMO it's still a matter of mindset more than anything. It's the old > > "blame > >>the rich" and "I don't care" attitude that prevails down south.
>>
>>Not all S American countries are like this though. Look at Argentina and >>Brazil. They were poor at one time also.
>>
>>"Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message >>news:vg1i6fgfrlbd40@no-spam >>
>>>if you grew up in a trash can (mexico's rotten government) you would do >>
>>the >>
>>>same. only when people have hope of a decent life to they begin to care >>>about themselves and their surroundings.
>>>
>>>--rj >>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Greylock" <vincin@no-spam> wrote in message >>>news:gk3Ma.34508$hV.2119183@no-spam >>>
>>>>Most - not all - but most, understand the comcept of trash cans. But >>>
> not > >>>the >>>
>>>>illegals. The world is their trash can. By the evidence, they like it >>>
>>that >>
>>>>way.
>>>>
>>>>"Phxbrd" <phxbrd@no-spam> wrote in message >>>>news:3O2Ma.19468$C83.1852379@no-spam >>>>
>>>>>"Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message >>>>>news:3F00B386.6070009@no-spam >>>>>
>>>>>>>so should everyone go back to the great rift valley where humans >>>>>>>became? or to the sea where life sprung forth first? We could >>>>>>
>>always >>
>>>>>>>decimate the planet and spread the carbon combounds and gasses >>>>>>
>>back >>
>>>>>>>to the stars that formed them in their core. or are we just >>>>>>
>>refering >>
>>>>>>>to origins as of recorded history? in which case I don't wanna >>>>>>
> go > >>>>>>>back to dallas, it smells bad there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Most major cities are starting to smell like Mexican cities. It's >>>>>
>>the >>
>>>>>>dirty diapers left in parking lots.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've always wondered about that. Are you sure it's only Mexicans?
>>>>
>>It's >>
>>>>>107F as I type. Would you keep a shitty Pampers in your Exploder?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> >

From: Elvis on Line (songs@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 05:26:40 GMT

Phxbrd wrote:
>>>the only real Americans are native Indians.
>>
>>No, actually they are immigrants as well. But since they had no concept > > of > >>national sovereignity they were doomed to extinction like the dinosaur > > that > >>roamed the Americas before them.
> > > Screw national sovereignty. They had no concept of privately owned land,
> and welcomed the first gringos. They had their hustlers and land developers > though. Those selling Manhattan Island for $24 had no title or claim to the > land. They considered it uninhabitable and had never lived there. Smart > Indians. It still is.
> I have it on good authority, that the selling Chieftan invested the $24 into mutual funds,
and tobacco. The tribes are now using the profits to build casinos and take the white man's money.


From: "H. Reader" (historyreader@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 01:14:12 -0500

"Phxbrd" <phxbrd@no-spam> wrote in message news:3O2Ma.19468$C83.1852379@no-spam >
> "Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message > news:3F00B386.6070009@no-spam > >
> > >>>
> > >
> > > so should everyone go back to the great rift valley where humans > > > became? or to the sea where life sprung forth first? We could always > > > decimate the planet and spread the carbon combounds and gasses back > > > to the stars that formed them in their core. or are we just refering > > > to origins as of recorded history? in which case I don't wanna go > > > back to dallas, it smells bad there.
> > >
> >
> > Most major cities are starting to smell like Mexican cities. It's the > > dirty diapers left in parking lots.
>
> I've always wondered about that.

Of course you have.

> Are you sure it's only Mexicans?

They're the *only* people I've ever seen dump dirty diapers in parking lots, on the streets, and in the parks. They're really an incredible bunch of pigs.

> It's > 107F as I type. Would you keep a shitty Pampers in your Exploder?

Ever hear of a trash can? Some are actually out in public and handy to parking lots and parks. Idiot.


From: "H. Reader" (historyreader@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 01:19:26 -0500

"Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg1h90a27jec79@no-spam > yep, you clowns are living up to texas standards. wanna' know why texas is > such a laugh in the rest of this country? because you truly are stupid,
> narrow-minded, public school 'educated', Nazi pricks. wanna' know why texas > is always 'picked' on in the media? because you all are good entertainment.

We in Texas are also suffering the invasion from Mexico as well as from Pakistan and every other third-world paradise.
But nobody is trying to take away our guns, and we don't pay state income tax. Laugh all you want, asshole, but stay wherever you are. We don't need any more of you whiney-ass trash moving into this state.


From: "Phxbrd" (phxbrd@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 14:48:14 GMT

"H. Reader" <historyreader@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg29vcagbi6de7@no-spam >
> "Phxbrd" <phxbrd@no-spam> wrote in message > news:3O2Ma.19468$C83.1852379@no-spam > >
> > "Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:3F00B386.6070009@no-spam > > >
> > > >>>
> > > >
> > > > so should everyone go back to the great rift valley where humans > > > > became? or to the sea where life sprung forth first? We could always > > > > decimate the planet and spread the carbon combounds and gasses back > > > > to the stars that formed them in their core. or are we just refering > > > > to origins as of recorded history? in which case I don't wanna go > > > > back to dallas, it smells bad there.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Most major cities are starting to smell like Mexican cities. It's the > > > dirty diapers left in parking lots.
> >
> > I've always wondered about that.
>
> Of course you have.
>
> > Are you sure it's only Mexicans?
>
> They're the *only* people I've ever seen dump dirty diapers > in parking lots, on the streets, and in the parks. They're really > an incredible bunch of pigs.
>
> > It's > > 107F as I type. Would you keep a shitty Pampers in your Exploder?
>
> Ever hear of a trash can? Some are actually out in public and > handy to parking lots and parks. Idiot.

As you hopefully learn more and more about posting, you should learn to put your sig below your text.


From: fugi (fugi@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 15:56:59 -0000

In tx.guns Tom <Vandiver606@no-spam> wrote:
> Graphic Queen <graphicqueen@no-spam> wrote in message news:<26evfvg5msrd7smuqh9tm74rg66narbgct@no-spam>...

>> Swamped by illegal immigrants >> >>
I happen to like mexicans. I saw this really fine mexican girl last weekend... yum yum yum. did a wheelie for her on my motorcycle..

-- The complexity of a weapon is inversely proportional to the IQ of the weapon's operator.


From: "H. Reader" (historyreader@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:23:18 -0500

"Phxbrd" <phxbrd@no-spam> wrote in message news:OahMa.73478$Io.6880678@no-spam >
> "H. Reader" <historyreader@no-spam> wrote in message > news:vg29vcagbi6de7@no-spam > >
> > "Phxbrd" <phxbrd@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:3O2Ma.19468$C83.1852379@no-spam > > >
> > > "Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message > > > news:3F00B386.6070009@no-spam > > > >
> > > > >>>
> > > > >
> > > > > so should everyone go back to the great rift valley where humans > > > > > became? or to the sea where life sprung forth first? We could always > > > > > decimate the planet and spread the carbon combounds and gasses back > > > > > to the stars that formed them in their core. or are we just refering > > > > > to origins as of recorded history? in which case I don't wanna go > > > > > back to dallas, it smells bad there.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Most major cities are starting to smell like Mexican cities. It's the > > > > dirty diapers left in parking lots.
> > >
> > > I've always wondered about that.
> >
> > Of course you have.
> >
> > > Are you sure it's only Mexicans?
> >
> > They're the *only* people I've ever seen dump dirty diapers > > in parking lots, on the streets, and in the parks. They're really > > an incredible bunch of pigs.
> >
> > > It's > > > 107F as I type. Would you keep a shitty Pampers in your Exploder?
> >
> > Ever hear of a trash can? Some are actually out in public and > > handy to parking lots and parks. Idiot.
>
> As you hopefully learn more and more about posting, you should learn to put > your sig below your text.

That means a lot, coming from an asshole who isn't familiar with trash cans.


From: "Phxbrd" (phxbrd@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 17:21:35 GMT

"H. Reader" <historyreader@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg3dbvavgm5a8c@no-spam >
> "Phxbrd" <phxbrd@no-spam> wrote in message > news:OahMa.73478$Io.6880678@no-spam > >
> > "H. Reader" <historyreader@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:vg29vcagbi6de7@no-spam > > >
> > > "Phxbrd" <phxbrd@no-spam> wrote in message > > > news:3O2Ma.19468$C83.1852379@no-spam > > > >
> > > > "Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message > > > > news:3F00B386.6070009@no-spam > > > > >
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > so should everyone go back to the great rift valley where humans > > > > > > became? or to the sea where life sprung forth first? We could > always > > > > > > decimate the planet and spread the carbon combounds and gasses > back > > > > > > to the stars that formed them in their core. or are we just > refering > > > > > > to origins as of recorded history? in which case I don't wanna go > > > > > > back to dallas, it smells bad there.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Most major cities are starting to smell like Mexican cities. It's > the > > > > > dirty diapers left in parking lots.
> > > >
> > > > I've always wondered about that.
> > >
> > > Of course you have.
> > >
> > > > Are you sure it's only Mexicans?
> > >
> > > They're the *only* people I've ever seen dump dirty diapers > > > in parking lots, on the streets, and in the parks. They're really > > > an incredible bunch of pigs.
> > >
> > > > It's > > > > 107F as I type. Would you keep a shitty Pampers in your Exploder?
> > >
> > > Ever hear of a trash can? Some are actually out in public and > > > handy to parking lots and parks. Idiot.
> >
> > As you hopefully learn more and more about posting, you should learn to > put > > your sig below your text.
>
> That means a lot, coming from an asshole who isn't > familiar with trash cans.

How many shitty diapers do you have in your SUV right now, sweety?


From: hc23hc (hc23hc@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 17:40:17 GMT

"H. Reader" wrote:
> > "Phxbrd" <phxbrd@no-spam> wrote > > you should learn to put > > your sig below your text.
> > That means a lot, coming from an asshole who isn't > familiar with trash cans.

Don't shit where you eat, Doug.

.
.
.


From: "Rob Jones" (RJones@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:14:49 -0500

that's odd. Enron (moron) didn't pay taxes for 3 years. and there are corporations who list their headquarters to overseas addresses so they don't have to pay taxes. sometimes nothing more than an overseas postoffice box.
pay taxes? 'the money' doesn't pay taxes unless it has no choice.

--rj
"Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message news:3F011528.4090608@no-spam >
>
> Rob Jones wrote:
> > its not him and his rich friends because he's giving them huge tax breaks.
> >
> > --rj > >
>
> You have to pay taxes to get a tax break. You have to pay taxes to get a > refund.
>


From: "Rob Jones" (RJones@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:18:20 -0500

you are correct. look at our congress. we have the best government money can buy. (:

--rj
"Angel" <thecomputergoddess@no-spam> wrote in message news:FyednVqTlJTXmZyiXTWJkQ@no-spam > What hogwash. I know lots of poor people who aren't criminals and lots of > minorities who aren't criminals. Crime is a choice. Some people choose to > commit crime.
>
>
> "Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message > news:3F00B283.7040104@no-spam > >
> >
> > Rob Jones wrote:
> > > Poverty is what creates crime. its like a cancer and it grows with the > help > > > of people like georgie and his Rich friends who don't want to pay any > taxes > > > because they don't owe this country a damn thing. they would have become > > > Rich and successful anywhere, not just in America, right? Wrong. if > ole'
> > > georgie had been born in Iraq, he'd(being as small as he is) just end up > > > being someone's punk. (assuming his wealthy dad would have been a punk,
> too)
> > >
> > > --rj > > >
> >
> > Right, and AIDS is spread by lack of funding.
> > There are a lot of poor people who don't commit crimes. Crimes are > > mostly related to race. Minorities commit most of the violent crimes.
> >
>
>


From: "Rob Jones" (RJones@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:22:07 -0500

it doesn't. but he swore to uphold the Constitution which states that OUR interests and way of life must be preserved. to do this, Mexico needs to be dealt with.

--rj
"Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message news:3F01160A.6020000@no-spam >
>
> Rob Jones wrote:
> > you should not have to pay taxes for non citizens. why don't you tell > > george and his criminal big business friends to work with mexico to > > straighten out their government, which is 50 times more corrupt than our > > own.
> > george won't do it because it won't improve his wealth or his friends > > wealth, see how it works?
> >
> > --rj >
> Where in our Constitution does it say President Bush has to work to > improve Mexico?
>


From: "anon" (anon@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:03:17 -0700

I must agree with you, they "an incredible bunch of pigs". And don't try to blame it on poor conditions in Mexico. The Mexican's I see dumping and littering are the more affluent Mexicans. They have expensive cars and lots of money to spend at Wal-Mart.

"H. Reader" <historyreader@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg29vcagbi6de7@no-spam >
<snip>
> > > Most major cities are starting to smell like Mexican cities. It's the > > > dirty diapers left in parking lots.
> >
>
> They're the *only* people I've ever seen dump dirty diapers > in parking lots, on the streets, and in the parks. They're really > an incredible bunch of pigs.
>


From: "The Curmudgeon" (grouch@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:09:36 -0700

I'll bet she would be a good lay, if you wiped her ass and gave her a bath first.

"fugi" <fugi@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg3bqb8ul344bc@no-spam > In tx.guns Tom <Vandiver606@no-spam> wrote:
>
> I happen to like mexicans. I saw this really fine mexican girl last > weekend... yum yum yum. did a wheelie for her on my motorcycle..
>
> --

From: fugi (fugi@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 20:16:51 -0000

In tx.guns Gonzo <nospam@no-spam> wrote:
> "fugi" <fugi@no-spam> wrote in message > news:vg3bqb8ul344bc@no-spam >> In tx.guns Tom <Vandiver606@no-spam> wrote:
>> > Graphic Queen <graphicqueen@no-spam> wrote in message > news:<26evfvg5msrd7smuqh9tm74rg66narbgct@no-spam>...
>> >> Swamped by illegal immigrants >> >>
>> >>
>>
>> I happen to like mexicans. I saw this really fine mexican girl last >> weekend... yum yum yum. did a wheelie for her on my motorcycle..

> I do also. Hell I married a Mexican Amercian. The problem I have are the > ones that cross the border illegally to get free social services and trash > the countryside and also the ones that were born and raised here who refuse > to learn English and then blame us for their lack of education even though > it's available to them.

> AFAIK, education is even available at the tax payers expense to illegals > even though they pay no taxes etc. Correct me if I am wrong here.

> No, I do not consider myself to be a racist but there are always people that > think they can benefit from it if they can convince others that I am.

you'll live longer and happier if you stop worrying so much about other people. those who stay illegally are the source of cheap labor which is good for us, bad for them. those who choose to exploit our free education then become a citizen pay taxes later,
good for us bad for them. welfare is a different issue, that should have been taken out of service long ago. but we're not getting into that. point being, it's up to them what they want to do, to an extent. and either decision they make is good for us in some way.
ooh, plus they bring some fine ass daughters over... yum yum yum...

-- The complexity of a weapon is inversely proportional to the IQ of the weapon's operator.


From: "Phxbrd" (phxbrd@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 20:34:25 GMT

"Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg3nr12rg4gg4e@no-spam > it doesn't. but he swore to uphold the Constitution which states that OUR > interests and way of life must be preserved. to do this, Mexico needs to be > dealt with.
>
> --rj
My interests and way of life are doing just fine. If I don't show up for your "dealt with", just go on without me, m'kay?

-grownup

From: "Gonzo" (nospam@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:31:14 GMT

"fugi" <fugi@no-spam> wrote in message news:vg3r1jfo3ahl80@no-spam > you'll live longer and happier if you stop worrying so much about > other people.

The Govt is worrying about it so SOMEBODY has to at least be concerned. I would turn one in, in a heartbeat if I knew for sure and that should be the duty of all legal Americans.

> those who stay illegally are the source of cheap > labor which is good for us,

No, it's bad for us. Not enough jobs here for real citizens IMO. I AM Cheap labor but I am legal. If you make more than $14000 a year then consider yourself lucky.

>bad for them.

Must not be too bad because they are comming over in droves.

>those who choose to > exploit our free education then become a citizen pay taxes later,

More like criminals. Most usually do not even learn proper English. Most of them do not go to school anyway, they are here for the handouts. Hell,
some lived here all their lives and still can't speak English. What's with that?

> good for us bad for them.

No Bad for us. We fork the bill.

> welfare is a different issue, that should > have been taken out of service long ago.

No shit!

>but we're not getting into > that.

But we should because that is part of the issue. You can ignore it.

>point being, it's up to them what they want to do,

And it's up to us to protect our soverignity and our borders.

>to an > extent. and either decision they make is good for us in some way.
> ooh, plus they bring some fine ass daughters over... yum yum yum...

That's a cheap shot.


From: Elvis on Line (songs@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 05:06:23 GMT

Rob Jones wrote:
> that's odd. Enron (moron) didn't pay taxes for 3 years. and there are > corporations who list their headquarters to overseas addresses so they don't > have to pay taxes. sometimes nothing more than an overseas postoffice box.
> pay taxes? 'the money' doesn't pay taxes unless it has no choice.
> > --rj > >
Like I said. You first have to be a tax payer to receive a break in taxes. You have to pay taxes to get a refund.
If you worked overseas, your first $70,000 would be tax free.


From: Elvis on Line (songs@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 05:07:25 GMT

Ken Pisichko wrote:
> > Greylock wrote:
> > >>If the illegals come here, they bring their culture here, and it it their >>culture that is the problem. Let them solve their problems in their own >>country. If they want to come here, let them do it legally. Otherwise, send >>their asses back.
> > > Even legals coming to a new nation bring their culture with them. They bring > their great points, potential for contributing to their new nation, AND their > problems too > > That is a part of allowing immigration. Happened before 9/11 and it is still > happening now. People won't change.
> > Ken > But they don't come here legally in large numbers, it's controlled.


From: Elvis on Line (songs@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 05:11:22 GMT

Rob Jones wrote:
> they do think alike. and they don't go to school or learn anything > worthwhile, other than to survive and beat the system any chance they get.
> others turn to crime.
> > --rj >
You are becomming more lucid.


From: Elvis on Line (songs@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 05:11:56 GMT

Rob Jones wrote:
> it doesn't. but he swore to uphold the Constitution which states that OUR > interests and way of life must be preserved. to do this, Mexico needs to be > dealt with.
> > --rj >
OK, we nuke 'em.


From: Elvis on Line (songs@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 05:15:04 GMT

Rob Jones wrote:
> I agree. but they don't have any HOPE, and when there is not hope, you don't > bother with throwing away trash and taking a shower. you can be poor and > have hope.
> > --rj > You mean that they come here and get free food, free medical, cash wages, total welfare, and they can't even use a trash can because they have no hope?

> "Angel" <thecomputergoddess@no-spam> wrote in message > news:XW2dnWm878t5npyiXTWJiA@no-spam > >>One can be poor and still be clean and dispose of trash properly.
>>
>>"Gonzo" <nospam@no-spam> wrote in message >>news:qE4Ma.39001$xg5.38985@no-spam >>
>>>This is a matter of self pride and self impovement. Singapore had a >>
>>similar >>
>>>problem like this in the 80s and their Govt stepped in with harsh laws >>>regarding things like that which we take for granted. But the laws >>
> worked > >>>and Singapore is one of the most beutiful countries in Asia that I have >>
>>had >>
>>>the pleasure of visiting.
>>>
>>>IMO it's still a matter of mindset more than anything. It's the old >>
>>"blame >>
>>>the rich" and "I don't care" attitude that prevails down south.
>>>
>>>Not all S American countries are like this though. Look at Argentina >>
> and > >>>Brazil. They were poor at one time also.
>>>
>>>"Rob Jones" <RJones@no-spam> wrote in message >>>news:vg1i6fgfrlbd40@no-spam >>>
>>>>if you grew up in a trash can (mexico's rotten government) you would >>>
> do > >>>the >>>
>>>>same. only when people have hope of a decent life to they begin to >>>
> care > >>>>about themselves and their surroundings.
>>>>
>>>>--rj >>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Greylock" <vincin@no-spam> wrote in message >>>>news:gk3Ma.34508$hV.2119183@no-spam >>>>
>>>>>Most - not all - but most, understand the comcept of trash cans. But >>>>
>>not >>
>>>>the >>>>
>>>>>illegals. The world is their trash can. By the evidence, they like >>>>
> it > >>>that >>>
>>>>>way.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Phxbrd" <phxbrd@no-spam> wrote in message >>>>>news:3O2Ma.19468$C83.1852379@no-spam >>>>>
>>>>>>"Elvis on Line" <songs@no-spam> wrote in message >>>>>>news:3F00B386.6070009@no-spam >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>so should everyone go back to the great rift valley where >>>>>>>
> humans > >>>>>>>>became? or to the sea where life sprung forth first? We could >>>>>>>
>>>always >>>
>>>>>>>>decimate the planet and spread the carbon combounds and gasses >>>>>>>
>>>back >>>
>>>>>>>>to the stars that formed them in their core. or are we just >>>>>>>
>>>refering >>>
>>>>>>>>to origins as of recorded history? in which case I don't wanna >>>>>>>
>>go >>
>>>>>>>>back to dallas, it smells bad there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Most major cities are starting to smell like Mexican cities.
>>>>>>
> It's > >>>the >>>
>>>>>>>dirty diapers left in parking lots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've always wondered about that. Are you sure it's only Mexicans?
>>>>>
>>>It's >>>
>>>>>>107F as I type. Would you keep a shitty Pampers in your Exploder?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> >

From: Elvis on Line (songs@no-spam)
Subject: Re: Swamped by illegal immigrants
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 05:21:01 GMT

fugi wrote:
> In tx.guns Gonzo <nospam@no-spam> wrote:
> >>"fugi" <fugi@no-spam> wrote in message >>news:vg3bqb8ul344bc@no-spam >>
>>>In tx.guns Tom <Vandiver606@no-spam> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Graphic Queen <graphicqueen@no-spam> wrote in message >>>
>>news:<26evfvg5msrd7smuqh9tm74rg66narbgct@no-spam>...
>>
>>>>>Swamped by illegal immigrants >>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>I happen to like mexicans. I saw this really fine mexican girl last >>>weekend... yum yum yum. did a wheelie for her on my motorcycle..
>>
> >>I do also. Hell I married a Mexican Amercian. The problem I have are the >>ones that cross the border illegally to get free social services and trash >>the countryside and also the ones that were born and raised here who refuse >>to learn English and then blame us for their lack of education even though >>it's available to them.
> > >>AFAIK, education is even available at the tax payers expense to illegals >>even though they pay no taxes etc. Correct me if I am wrong here.
> > >>No, I do not consider myself to be a racist but there are always people that >>think they can benefit from it if they can convince others that I am.
> > > you'll live longer and happier if yo