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Subject: Re: OT: The dynamics of the Indian IT industry.
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler (lynn@no-spam)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:43:22 GMT


computerguy@no-spam (Dino Jr) writes:
> We all do a bit of griping about the outsourcing of IT jobs to India > and other offshore locations, so I think some of you might find this > informative and interesting. I particularly found the information in > Chapters 9 & 10 quite educational.
>
> http://www.london.edu/cnem/Events/Software_Conference/Desai_paper.pdf >
> "The paper develops a more nuanced explanation of the emergence of > India.s IT industry. It gives due weight to historical accidents,
> namely that the exit of IBM in 1978 left India with a few thousand > programmers familiar with mainframes, and that the presence of a few > thousand Indian engineers in the US led US firms to turn to India > at a time of programmer shortage."

and, in fact, some number of the Indians in the US were the ones that had the connections and started brokering the outsourcing.

one article i ran across (from HK?) several years ago was comparing the infrastructure pros & cons of india vis-a-vis Guangdong province with regard to factors for succesful IT outsourcing. A major factor was comparing infrastructure bureaucracies and the difficulty and lead time in obtaining basic, dependable services (electricity, water,
phones, telecommunications, etc) in support of IT outsourcing.

Frequently, analysis of the sucessess and failures of two similar endevors is more enlightening than a more straight-forward presentation.

quicky search engine attempt just now didn't turn up a whole lot.

-- Anne & Lynn Wheeler | http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ Internet trivia 20th anv http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/rfcietff.htm

From: jmfbahciv@no-spam
Subject: Re: OT: The dynamics of the Indian IT industry.
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 03 09:12:32 GMT

In article <u65mqp8cs.fsf@no-spam>,
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@no-spam> wrote:
>computerguy@no-spam (Dino Jr) writes:
>> We all do a bit of griping about the outsourcing of IT jobs to India >> and other offshore locations, so I think some of you might find this >> informative and interesting. I particularly found the information in >> Chapters 9 & 10 quite educational.
>>
>> http://www.london.edu/cnem/Events/Software_Conference/Desai_paper.pdf >>
>> "The paper develops a more nuanced explanation of the emergence of >> India.s IT industry. It gives due weight to historical accidents,
>> namely that the exit of IBM in 1978 left India with a few thousand >> programmers familiar with mainframes, and that the presence of a few >> thousand Indian engineers in the US led US firms to turn to India >> at a time of programmer shortage."
>
>and, in fact, some number of the Indians in the US were the ones that >had the connections and started brokering the outsourcing.

Yup. JMF had to deal with a group of people in Italy who were outsources. The reason they got the work was because a manager knew them.

>
>one article i ran across (from HK?) several years ago was comparing >the infrastructure pros & cons of india vis-a-vis Guangdong province >with regard to factors for succesful IT outsourcing. A major factor >was comparing infrastructure bureaucracies and the difficulty and lead >time in obtaining basic, dependable services (electricity, water,
>phones, telecommunications, etc) in support of IT outsourcing.

One of the problems that China had was the government was not reliable. If a business made a deal, it might have the investment and business declared to be the property of the government. But they're learning quickly.

>Frequently, analysis of the sucessess and failures of two similar >endevors is more enlightening than a more straight-forward >presentation.

The analysis is more interesting, too :-)

/BAH
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From: Charles Richmond (richmond@no-spam)
Subject: Re: OT: The dynamics of the Indian IT industry.
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:49:31 GMT

Nico de Jong wrote:
> > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...]
> > The underlying problem with outside programmers on a contract, is that the > money seeps out of the country, instead of being used here.
> Hey, that's the same problem as the U.S. The money and the job opportunites are seeping out of the country. *Not* good from my point of view...

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