NZ GENERAL 50 RE AN EDUCATED LOT A BREAKFAST WITH RADIO SPORT
From: Phelan (freetrade@no-spam)
Subject: Re: "AN EDUCATED LOT": A breakfast with Radio Sport
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:30:24 +1200


Morrissey Breen wrote:

> "The New Zealand rugby public is actually an educated lot.... and that > is why the inquiring minds keep inquiring."
> -- Martin Devlin.
> > Radio Sport, Tuesday > 8.7.03......................................................................................

> snip
hell, I don't have to listen to the 'Award winning' Marty, I can read your transcripts here, you have waaaaaay too much time on your hands mate !
Thanks for the email, sent him an email telling him how much you really love him, he will be soooo relieved !!!

-- When the looters' state collapses, deprived of the best of its slaves, when it falls to a level of impotent chaos, and dissolves into starving robber gangs fighting to rob one another - when the advocates of morality of sacrifice perish with their final ideal - then and on that day we will return.
John Galt, Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand

From: Phelan (freetrade@no-spam)
Subject: Re: "AN EDUCATED LOT": A breakfast with Radio Sport
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:32:43 +1200

Kip wrote:

> On 8 Jul 2003 13:58:17 -0700, morrisseybreen@no-spam (Morrissey > Breen) wrote:
> > >>"The New Zealand rugby public is actually an educated lot.... and that >>is why the inquiring minds keep inquiring."
>>-- Martin Devlin.
>>
>>Radio Sport, Tuesday >>8.7.03......................................................................................

>>
>>
> > So what's the deal Breen? You listen to the show for three hours, you > can't find the off button or what?
>
er, his hands are 'otherwise' engaged - do not dwell on that too much, it is unhealthily !

He secretly has a crush on Marty, but doesn't know how to adequately display it, hence the incoherent ranting on this ng.

-- When the looters' state collapses, deprived of the best of its slaves, when it falls to a level of impotent chaos, and dissolves into starving robber gangs fighting to rob one another - when the advocates of morality of sacrifice perish with their final ideal - then and on that day we will return.
John Galt, Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand

From: morrisseybreen@no-spam (Morrissey Breen)
Subject: Re: "AN EDUCATED LOT": A breakfast with Radio Sport
Date: 9 Jul 2003 10:29:13 -0700

Kip <rkippenberger@no-spam> wrote in message news:<aoimgvod2m5fgmlah5ds83uhru6upk86dd@no-spam>...

> On 8 Jul 2003 13:58:17 -0700, morrisseybreen@no-spam (Morrissey > Breen) wrote:
> > >"The New Zealand rugby public is actually an educated lot.... and that > >is why the inquiring minds keep inquiring."
> >-- Martin Devlin.
> >
> >Radio Sport, Tuesday > >8.7.03......................................................................................

> >
> > So what's the deal Breen? You listen to the show for three hours, you > can't find the off button or what?

I did it for you, Kip. I (hopefully) saved you a lot of time. Reading my transcript is far more entertaining than listening to morons for three hours, n'est-ce pas?


From: morrisseybreen@no-spam (Morrissey Breen)
Subject: Re: "AN EDUCATED LOT": A breakfast with Radio Sport
Date: 9 Jul 2003 10:48:18 -0700

Poor old NZRugbyIsLife <timer@no-spam> seems a little bewildered in message news:<begdlq$r82$1@no-spam>...
> > It's a bloody BREAKFAST SHOW. Who wants to try to engage in full > intellectual discourse before 8:30 am?
Dear oh dear! Nobody is demanding or expecting that a sports show should be "intellectual". What we do expect is that the host knows something about sports. Devlin does not.

>
>Certainly not Radio Sport's > demographic, those snotty "morning people" just fuck off to National Radio.
>
> > (Scans through the rest of the material and snips it, not seeing a > concrete point).
Do you have a reading problem? My transcript is FULL of "concrete points".

> > If you're looking for an "intelligent sports show", you're looking at > the wrong time of the day, or on the wrong network.

Once again, we don't expect an "intelligent" sports show; we expect just a modicum of knowledge from the host and some intelligent contributions from the people who ring in. We get NEITHER. The dearth of intelligence and knowledge on Radio Sport is shown up starkly by the fact that Devlin's show follows on from the brilliant Los Angeles-based Jim Rome show "The Jungle". What a contrast: a passionate, formidably organised, thoughtful, respected, entertaining commentator who attracts overwhelmingly clever, funny, irreverent callers. And Devlin.
> > I note that you don't follow on to what is supposed to be the > "intellectual" show, which follows from 9 am to noon.

Brendan Telfer is not a lot better than Devlin. There is one decent host on that joke of a station: Graham Hill.


From: The Green Phantom (ask@no-spam)
Subject: Re: "AN EDUCATED LOT": A breakfast with Radio Sport
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 20:32:16 +0100

It appears, that on the issue of Morrissey Breen anyway, Mr Boyd is completely correct.
Years ago there was a description widely used in novels of a certain kind,
typified by the oeuvre of PG Woodhouse. It could usefully be applied to you. You are a blithering idiot. Fortunately I no longer have to put up with you.

regards
The Green Phantom -- I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves.
-- August Strindberg

From: morrisseybreen@no-spam (Morrissey Breen)
Subject: Re: "AN EDUCATED LOT": A breakfast with Radio Sport
Date: 9 Jul 2003 21:12:56 -0700

Nobody can hold it against a person that he's getting on in years. But when a senior citizen shows himself to be an intolerant,
illiterate chump, most people would agree that he should be put down forcefully, just like anyone else. Regrettably, it looks like one of those unpleasant situations has arisen. Someone who has bestowed on himself, obscurely, the ridiculous moniker of "The Green Phantom"
<ask@no-spam> has blundered into an argument with this writer -
moi - in message news:<I2_Oa.48012$xd5.2557498@no-spam>...

>
> It appears, that on the issue of Morrissey Breen anyway, Mr Boyd is > completely correct.
"Mr Boyd"? Eh? Does.... does he mean RICK Boyd?!!?!?!?!?!? Gosh, the silly old duffer is really wheeling out the heavy critical armour!
Je suis simply CRUSHED.
> > Years ago there was a description widely used in novels of a certain kind,
> typified by the oeuvre of PG Woodhouse.

Somethin' tells moi that "The Green Phantom" has never actually read one of Wodehouse's books. Maybe he watched the TV series though!

>
> It could usefully be applied to > you. You are a blithering idiot. The silly old goat. He's DEFINITELY read no Wodehouse. That writer would have had his character say: "You, SIR, are a blithering idiot."

>
> Fortunately I no longer have to put up with you.

Don't shoot yourself, Green Phantom! Calm down! Go and make yourself a nice cup of tea. Now!!!!

Disclaimer: This writer accepts no responsibility for any acts of self-mutilation or suicide perpetrated against himself by the pathetic cyber-entity known as "The Green Phantom".


From: "Sean Byrne" (byrne_sean_spamtrap_@no-spam)
Subject: Re: "AN EDUCATED LOT": A breakfast with Radio Sport
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:31:14 +0100

"Morrissey Breen" <morrisseybreen@no-spam> wrote in message news:fb3a0456.0307091039.ce66c0f@no-spam > The Green Phantom <ask@no-spam> blew a gasket in message > news:<wwGOa.46352$9C6.2348176@no-spam>...
> > Morrissey Breen wrote:
> >
> > [snip completely irrelevant post]
>
> "Completely irrelevant"? How so? What, may I ask, Is a "relevant"
> post?

A clue is in the name of the newsgroup.

It's not alt.radio.breakfastshow.critiques
Later,
Sean

From: NZRugbyIsLife (timer@no-spam)
Subject: Re: "AN EDUCATED LOT": A breakfast with Radio Sport
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:59:16 +1200

Morrissey Breen wrote:
> Poor old NZRugbyIsLife <timer@no-spam> seems a little bewildered in > message news:<begdlq$r82$1@no-spam>...
> >>It's a bloody BREAKFAST SHOW. Who wants to try to engage in full >>intellectual discourse before 8:30 am? > > > Dear oh dear! Nobody is demanding or expecting that a sports show > should be "intellectual". What we do expect is that the host knows > something about sports. Devlin does not.

Which is why they pair Devlin with other people. Devlin is supposed to be the "tone driver".

> > >>Certainly not Radio Sport's >>demographic, those snotty "morning people" just fuck off to National Radio.
>>
> > >>(Scans through the rest of the material and snips it, not seeing a >>concrete point).
> > Do you have a reading problem? My transcript is FULL of "concrete > points".

No, your transcript is simply a transcript in most cases, with the reader supposed to try to read between the lines based on your inflection. Transcript != Argument.

> > >>If you're looking for an "intelligent sports show", you're looking at >>the wrong time of the day, or on the wrong network.
> > > Once again, we don't expect an "intelligent" sports show; we expect > just a modicum of knowledge from the host and some intelligent > contributions from the people who ring in.

They do basically NO call screening. Almost none whatsoever from my experience of calling (in the EVENING, not in the bloody morning).

No Call Screening == people giving basic opinions without anything to back them up == almost no intelligent contributions.

> We get NEITHER. The > dearth of intelligence and knowledge on Radio Sport is shown up > starkly by the fact that Devlin's show follows on from the brilliant > Los Angeles-based Jim Rome show "The Jungle".

And what time-period does that show take place? 6 am NZT == 11 am PST ending time. Not the "Breakfast show crap". And people actually get up EARLY on the west coast of the USA so they don't fall too far behind the east coast who already has a 3 hour head start. A "breakfast" show over there probably ends at 8 am, since everyone is basically at work by that time.

> What a contrast: a > passionate, formidably organised, thoughtful, respected, entertaining > commentator who attracts overwhelmingly clever, funny, irreverent > callers.

In LA, where most of the flamboyant people in the USA try to go. (Either LA, NYC, or Vegas). What a surprise!

> And Devlin.
> > >>I note that you don't follow on to what is supposed to be the >>"intellectual" show, which follows from 9 am to noon.
> > > Brendan Telfer is not a lot better than Devlin. There is one decent > host on that joke of a station: Graham Hill.


From: morrisseybreen@no-spam (Morrissey Breen)
Subject: Re: "AN EDUCATED LOT": A breakfast with Radio Sport
Date: 10 Jul 2003 11:13:13 -0700

"Sean Byrne" <byrne_sean_spamtrap_@no-spam> wrote in message news:<bej89b$qj7$1$830fa78d@no-spam>...


> > A clue is in the name of the newsgroup.
> > It's not alt.radio.breakfastshow.critiques
Oh come on! The dire state of New Zealand sports journalism, in particular rugby journalism, is a scandal. That makes it relevant to both the groups on which I posted it.


From: morrisseybreen@no-spam (Morrissey Breen)
Subject: Re: "AN EDUCATED LOT": A breakfast with Radio Sport
Date: 10 Jul 2003 11:53:02 -0700

NZRugbyIsLife <timer@no-spam> wrote in message news:<bejkd0$7h3$1@no-spam>...

> > No, your transcript is simply a transcript in most cases, with the > reader supposed to try to read between the lines based on your > inflection. Transcript != Argument.

What the hell are you on about? I provided background and context. My transcript has VALUE ADDED.

> > They do basically NO call screening. Almost none whatsoever from my > experience of calling (in the EVENING, not in the bloody morning).

Awwwww NO-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O!!!!!!! Don't tell me you were one of those deranged lunatics who used to plague Doug Golightly with their wof howls and barking and swearing when he was on nights! If you WERE: congratulations, my man!

> > No Call Screening == people giving basic opinions without anything to > back them up == almost no intelligent contributions.
Precisely.

> > > What a contrast: a passionate, formidably organised, thoughtful, > > respected, entertaining commentator who attracts overwhelmingly > > clever, funny, irreverent callers.
> > In LA, where most of the flamboyant people in the USA try to go. (Either > LA, NYC, or Vegas). What a surprise!

Actually, most of the calls seem to come from the midwest and the eastern seaboard. It's a national show.


From: "Tim Scrivens" (scrivensmung@no-spam)
Subject: Re: "AN EDUCATED LOT": A breakfast with Radio Sport
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:55:41 +1200

"Morrissey Breen" <morrisseybreen@no-spam> wrote in message news:fb3a0456.0307101053.4f6c09a1@no-spam > NZRugbyIsLife <timer@no-spam> wrote in message news:<bejkd0$7h3$1@no-spam>...
>
> > > What a contrast: a passionate, formidably organised, thoughtful,
> > > respected, entertaining commentator who attracts overwhelmingly > > > clever, funny, irreverent callers.
> >
> > In LA, where most of the flamboyant people in the USA try to go. (Either > > LA, NYC, or Vegas). What a surprise!
>
> Actually, most of the calls seem to come from the midwest and the > eastern seaboard. It's a national show.

So, 300 million Americans can manage a single intellectually worthy radio show?

Good effort, those Seppos.

And I don't know that Devlin knows "nothing" about sport. After all, they pair him with Ridge in "Game of two halves" as an offset - Ridge being one of the worlds' better beer bottles.


From: morrisseybreen@no-spam (Morrissey Breen)
Subject: Re: "AN EDUCATED LOT": A breakfast with Radio Sport
Date: 11 Jul 2003 10:25:06 -0700

Brian Harmer <brian.harmer@no-spam> nno doubt speaks for most people in message news:<7pirgvkdhjs4g1tj64l208iomcma0m29i6@no-spam>...

> > To be honest, I think people who willingly listen to that sort of > stuff must have solid muscle between the ears!
Yep! You're right! Awwwww..... now..... Hey, are you talkin' about me, mister?!!?!?!?!?
>
> As for transcribing it > and regurgitating it for the unbleieving readers of this ng ... well!

Loook, I did it for you, Brian. For you and the rest of our readers. It's a public service. Look on it as a reverse Reader's Digest. Instead of condensing classic and popular novels, I'm condensing hours of worthless tedium into a compact hundred lines or so.

I hope you guys are GRATEFUL!

Sincerely,

M.Breen for Radio Transcripts Ltd.


From: "ROCK" (ptonga@no-spam)
Subject: Re: "AN EDUCATED LOT": A breakfast with Radio Sport
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:43:31 +1000

"Morrissey Breen" <morrisseybreen@no-spam> wrote in message news:fb3a0456.0307110925.6ffc655f@no-spam > Brian Harmer <brian.harmer@no-spam> nno doubt speaks for most > people in message news:<7pirgvkdhjs4g1tj64l208iomcma0m29i6@no-spam>...
>
> >
> > To be honest, I think people who willingly listen to that sort of > > stuff must have solid muscle between the ears!
>
> Yep! You're right! Awwwww..... now..... Hey, are you talkin' about > me, mister?!!?!?!?!?
> >
> > As for transcribing it > > and regurgitating it for the unbleieving readers of this ng ... well!
>
> Loook, I did it for you, Brian. For you and the rest of our readers.
> It's a public service. Look on it as a reverse Reader's Digest.
> Instead of condensing classic and popular novels, I'm condensing hours > of worthless tedium into a compact hundred lines or so.
>
> I hope you guys are GRATEFUL!
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
>
> M.Breen > for Radio Transcripts Ltd.

Sure Sure you did Breen -
More like you are condensing hours of worthless tedium into a compact hundred lines of worthless tedium (ad nauseum)

;)

Cheers
Paul