OR POLITICS 11 RE THE UNITED NATIONS
From: nobody (nobody@no-spam)
Subject: Re: The United Nations
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 02:14:21 GMT


In article <vfomh3d4sqmjce@no-spam>,
"Baxter" <lbax01.spaminator@no-spam> wrote:

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> > > "nobody" <nobody@no-spam> wrote in message > news:nobody-F1DCA5.21493126062003@no-spam > > In article <vfjcgfb57oeke6@no-spam>,
> > "Baxter" <lbax01.spaminator@no-spam> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > "Bob Tiernan" <zulu.pacifier.com@no-spam> wrote in message > > > news:Pine.GSO.4.53MAILDIR.0306250013590.3517@no-spam > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bill Shatzer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thomas wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > I see you're back again and haven't curtailed your > > > > > > use of illicit substances. You must be high to try > > > > > > and deny that Billy Blow Job was caught cold > > > > > > committing perjury before a Federal Grand Jury.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > No, he came clean (more or less) before the grand > > > > > jury.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And wasn't that great for our system, i.e. that > > > > a sitting President had to answer questions like > > > > he was a regular Joe?
> > > >
> > > You'd prefer a president that classified everything and kept it secret?
> >
> >
> > What a great non sequitor. Try again.
> > Hardly a non sequitor - this Administration is the most secretive of any in > our history.

Still a non sequitor and also unproved. Care to document it? I'd bet on FDR.


From: "alohacyberian" (alohacyberian@no-spam)
Subject: Re: The United Nations
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 09:21:22 GMT

Beware of nature, "cynical in her sunrises," Nietzsche once wrote. He might as well have been warning about history, above all what would prove to be the historical false dawn of 1989. The triumphalist talk, with its conceit that history had somehow come to an end, did not last long; history, the old-fashioned, pitiless, sanguinary kind, was soon back with a vengeance. In fact, the euphoria over the collapse of the Soviet Union had barely worn off when the genocidal wars of "ethnic cleansing" that would sweep through the Balkans between 1991 and 1999 began in Croatia.

The old saying "Save me from what I wish for most" could not have been more appropriate than it was to the breakup of Yugoslavia. The Western powers had wanted an end to the Cold War division of Europe. Well, now they had to deal with all the historical messes that had been festering, in some cases since the end of World War I, but had been frozen or suppressed during the half-century struggle between the United States and the Soviet Union. And the United Nations had wanted a wider role, believing, as senior officials of the world body had been insisting practically since its inception, that the potential of the UN would finally be unlocked were the superpower rivalry ever to end. Then, they said, the UN would show the world what a force for good, and above all for peace, it was, and had had the potential to be all along.
[...]
Enter Bosnia, laughing. The reality was that almost no one had really expected the Soviet empire to collapse, and no government, let alone the UN Secretariat, was either prepared or really in a position to deal competently with the political aftershocks that accompanied its passing.
~ David Rieff, _A Bed For the Night - Humanitarianism In Crisis_
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"nobody" <nobody@no-spam> wrote in message news:nobody-776E8F.22203728062003@no-spam > In article > <w6QKa.23607$3o3.1806827@no-spam>,
> "alohacyberian" <alohacyberian@no-spam> wrote:
>
> > "nobody" <nobody@no-spam> wrote in message > > news:nobody-F1DCA5.21493126062003@no-spam > > > In article <vfjcgfb57oeke6@no-spam>,
> > > "Baxter" <lbax01.spaminator@no-spam> wrote:
> > > > "Bob Tiernan" <zulu.pacifier.com@no-spam> wrote in message > > > > news:Pine.GSO.4.53MAILDIR.0306250013590.3517@no-spam > > > > > Bill Shatzer wrote:
> > > > > > Thomas wrote:
> > > > You'd prefer a president that classified everything and kept it secret?
> > >
> > > What a great non sequitor. Try again.
> > >
> > The United States has never had a president with that kind of power, so I > > wonder what country he's talking about. KM >
>
> The outhisass country.