On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:08:04 -0700, "WinGuru" <anonymous> wrote:
>The "media", as you put it, did no investigation more than reporting (those
>few who even noted the issue) the lies made by the Bush campaign. The
>Boston Globe article (in contrast) was well researched and used direct
>evidence and sworn testimony from direct participants. How can you dismiss
>a directly quoted statement from a senior officer (Col. Turnipseed for
>example) that Bush was AWOL?
>
>There really is no question that Bush was AWOL (actually desertion given the
>war condition) - the only question is why hasn't the press reported this.
The answer is that the press knows what anyone of at least minimal
intelligence does, notwithstanding some retarded Bush-bashing
malcontents, that Bush wasn't AWOL, was NEVER AWOL and if they had
printed that he was they would have looked as idiotic as you do.
For someone who claims to have considerable military experience, you
are shockingly misinformed about the fact that AWOL and honorable
discharge on your DD214 doesn't go together.
However, the height of foolishness is you and your ilk refusing to
face facts and continuing to whip a dead horse ad nauseum.
ALOHA
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"Bill Shatzer" <bshatzer@no-spam> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Thomas wrote:
> Actually, there is nothing about being AWOL which -precludes-
> an honorable discharge. And, in the absense of an actual court
> martial conviction or article 15 punishment for AWOL, there is
> nothing which would authorize anything -other- than an honorable
> discharge.
>
You are flatly mistaken. No one who has been AWOL can receive an honorable
discharge. Period. KM
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"alohacyberian" <alohacyberian@no-spam> wrote in message
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> "Bill Shatzer" <bshatzer@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:Pine.LNX.4.44.0307010014440.18661-100000@no-spam
> > On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Thomas wrote:
>
> > Actually, there is nothing about being AWOL which -precludes-
> > an honorable discharge. And, in the absense of an actual court
> > martial conviction or article 15 punishment for AWOL, there is
> > nothing which would authorize anything -other- than an honorable
> > discharge.
> >
>
> You are flatly mistaken. No one who has been AWOL can receive an
honorable
> discharge. Period. KM
Oh you are so wrong. I know that this isn't the case - since I've had to
discharge soldiers who had an AWOL on their record at some point. (Note: I
never had one of my soldiers go AWOL while under my command.) But, since
you make this claim so definitively, why don't you cite the reference from
the UCMJ that specifies this? Nah, didn't think you could. For your
information, AWOL, as an offense, can be dealt with in a number of ways
depending upon the court and the circumstances.
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, alohacyberian wrote:
> "Bill Shatzer" <bshatzer@no-spam> wrote in message
> > Actually, there is nothing about being AWOL which -precludes-
> > an honorable discharge. And, in the absense of an actual court
> > martial conviction or article 15 punishment for AWOL, there is
> > nothing which would authorize anything -other- than an honorable
> > discharge.
> You are flatly mistaken. No one who has been AWOL can receive an honorable
> discharge. Period. KM
Certainly you have a reference to the appropriate Armed Services
regulations to this effect?
Didn't think so.
I soldiered for Uncle Samuel 'bout the same time the dubya was
busy clearing the Texas skies of Viet Cong (and not after he
disappeared) and I was personally acquainted with several folks
who had been AWOL but who received an honorable discharge - and
a Good Conduct Medal too boot.
In the absense of an actual court martial conviction or
non-judical adjudication (Article 15), there is just nothing
in the -fact- of being AWOL which precluded an honorable discharge.
As with any violation of the UCMJ, they've gotta -catch- you
and they've gotta -convict- you - otherwise, it never happened
so far as discharge status is concerned.
Peace and justice,