On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:20:43 -0700, "WinGuru" <anonymous> wrote:
>
>"Mike Pearson <see .sig>" <nojunk@no-spam> wrote in message
>news:1fx6k9y.kaii841cv96gwN%nojunk@no-spam
>> WinGuru <anonymous> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > What a surprise, someone who can't see or accept the truth admires a
>> > convicted drunken driver, AWOL, privileged, lying, thieving, uncaring
>idiot.
>>
>>
>> You forgot 'cokehead'.
>>
>> Also, he was only AWOL for a relatively short time. After the
>> unauthorized absence went past the 30-day mark he became a full-fledged
>> deserter. It was absolutely disgusting to see him prancing around on a
>> carrier deck in a military flight suit and not wearing the handcuffs he
>> so richly deserves.
>>
>
>You're correct of course. He should be in jail and if he was anyone but a
>son of privilege, he would have been. There is no doubt that he failed to
>report for duty as he was ordered. Be interesting to see how he responds to
>someone who today doesn't show up for duty and then uses the defense that he
>was just following the pResident's example.
Cool off Gomer. In your zeal to appear "informed", you have once
again committed a gaffe so large that it requires a double shoe-ectomy
of your mouth.
The so-called charge that Bush was "AWOL" has been thoroughly
investigated and found to be the imaginings of overheated
ideologically zealous left-wing nuts like yourself.
The man received an honorable discharge, that doesn't happen to
someone who has been AWOL.
Just this once, because you aren't the genius you claim to be, indeed,
you exhibit many dunce-like qualities, I have reproduced the research
here for your enlightenment.
Bottom line for you and your fellow left wing, Bush-bashing wing nuts,
pay attention, I'll go slow so even you and your ilk can understand.
Are you paying attention?
Are you sure?
OK. George W. Bush wasn't AWOL, was never AWOL, and the repeated
charge that he was AWOL is.....................the product of retards.
All of the below research and documentation is available at:
www.TheTruth.com
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39ea05224b3e.htm
I also received a very detailed e-mail from a Navy instructor in
California, who asked to remain nameless:
All the cited documents so far are an assortment of standard form
letters that are found in many reserve
pilots records. The "smoking gun" AWOL proof cite is actually a
standard report evaluation of ANG
members that have transferred during an evaluation period. Each
command is required to submit an
evaluation record even if the member is no longer there to keep a
constant an unbroken line of
evaluation. The "smoking gun" terminology of "Not observed at this
station" is the exact proper wording
found in any members record of evaluation during a transfer which
oddly the previous cited documents
actually prove was the case. This is the standard evaluation extension
language used in almost all
military records. For the Navy the block is listed with "Not Observed"
for the Army it lists "not present for
evaluation”. The flight suspension letter is also a commonplace form
letter suspending flying till an annual
physical exam is completed.
This other "smoking gun" is such a common occurrence especially in the
ANG that there are other people
than George Bush listed on it using the same exact terminology.
Further investigating the documents finds that the AWOL claim is
merely wishful thinking by some who
simply misunderstand what the military documents say or don't know how
common they really are in
many service members records.
As you pointed out in your investigation in the final months of George
Bush's ANG reserve commitment
"when Bush decided to go to business school at Harvard in the fall of
1973, he requested and got an
honorable discharge--eight months before his service was scheduled to
end." The military does not and
cannot by regulation, issue an Honorable Discharge to anyone that has
been AWOL or otherwise
seriously reprimanded as the resume tries to claim.
The Real Military Record of George W. Bush: Not Heroic, but Not AWOL,
Either
By Peter Keating and Karthik Thyagarajan
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
For more than a year, controversy about George W. Bush's Air National
Guard record has bubbled through the press. Interest in the topic has
spiked in recent days, as at least two websites have launched stories
essentially calling Bush AWOL in 1972 and 1973. For example, in
"Finally, the Truth about Bush's Military Record" on TomPaine.com,
Marty Heldt writes, "Bush's long absence from the records comes to an
end one week after he failed to comply with an order to attend 'Annual
Active Duty Training' starting at the end of May 1973... Nothing
indicates in the records that he ever made up the time he missed." And
in Bush's Military Record Reveals Grounding and Absence for Two Full
Years" on Democrats.com, Robert A. Rogers states: "Bush never actually
reported in person for the last two years of his service - in direct
violation of two separate written orders."
Neither is correct.
It's time to set the record straight. The following analysis, which
relies on National Guard documents, extensive interviews with military
officials and previously unpublished evidence of Bush's whereabouts in
the summer and fall of 1972, is the first full chronology of Bush's
military record. Its basic conclusions: Bush may have received
favorable treatment to get into the Guard, served irregularly after
the spring of 1972 and got an expedited discharge, but he did
accumulate the days of service required of him for his ultimate
honorable discharge.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
At the Republican convention in Philadelphia, George W. Bush declared:
"Our military is low on parts, pay and morale. If called on by the
commander-in-chief today, two entire divisions of the Army would have
to report, 'Not ready for duty, sir.'" Bush says he is the candidate
who can "rebuild our military and prepare our armed forces for the
future." On what direct military experience does he make such claims?
George W. Bush applied to join the Texas Air National Guard on May 27,
1968, less than two weeks before he graduated from Yale University.
The country was at war in Vietnam, and at that time, just months after
the bloody Tet Offensive, an estimated 100,000 Americans were on
waiting lists to join Guard units across the country. Bush was sworn
in on the day he applied.
Ben Barnes, former speaker of the Texas House of Representatives,
stated in September 1999 that in late 1967 or early 1968, he asked a
senior official in the Texas Air National Guard to help Bush get into
the Guard as a pilot. Barnes said he did so at the behest of Sidney
Adger, a Houston businessman and friend of former President George H.
W. Bush, then a Texas congressman. Despite Barnes's admission, former
President Bush has denied pulling strings for his son, and retired
Colonel Walter Staudt, George W. Bush's first commander, insists:
"There was no special treatment."
The younger Bush fulfilled two years of active duty and completed
pilot training in June 1970. During that time and in the two years
that followed, Bush flew the F-102, an interceptor jet equipped with
heat-seeking missiles that could shoot down enemy planes. His
commanding officers and peers regarded Bush as a competent pilot and
enthusiastic Guard member. In March 1970, the Texas Air National Guard
issued a press release trumpeting his performance: "Lt. Bush recently
became the first Houston pilot to be trained by the 147th [Fighter
Group] and to solo in the F-102... Lt. Bush said his father was just
as excited and enthusiastic about his solo flight as he was." In
Bush's evaluation for the period May 1, 1971 through April 30, 1972,
then-Colonel Bobby Hodges, his commanding officer, stated, "I have
personally observed his participation, and without exception, his
performance has been noteworthy." In the spring of 1972, however,
National Guard records show a sudden dropoff in Bush's military
activity. Though trained as a pilot at considerable government
expense, Bush stopped flying in April 1972 and never flew for the
Guard again.
Around that time, Bush decided to go to work for Winton "Red" Blount,
a Republican running for the U.S. Senate, in Alabama. Documents from
Ellington Air Force Base in Houston state that Bush "cleared this base
on 15 May." Shortly afterward, he applied for assignment to the 9921st
Air Reserve Squadron in Montgomery, Ala., a unit that required minimal
duty and offered no pay. Although that unit's commander was willing to
welcome him, on May 31 higher-ups at the Air Reserve Personnel Center
in Denver rejected Bush's request to serve at the 9921st, because it
did not offer duty equivalent to his service in Texas. "[A]n obligated
Reservist [in this case, Bush] can be assigned to a specific Ready
Reserve position only," noted the disapproval memo, a copy of which
was sent to Bush. "Therefore, he is ineligible for assignment to an
Air Reserve Squadron."
Despite the military's decision, Bush moved to Alabama. Records
obtained by Georegemag.com show that the Blount Senate campaign paid
Bush about $900 a month from mid-May through mid-November to do
advance work and organize events. Neither Bush's annual evaluation nor
the Air National Guard's overall chronological listing of his service
contain any evidence that he performed Guard duties during that
summer.
On or around his 27th birthday, July 6, 1972, Bush did not take his
required annual medical exam at his Texas unit. As a consequence, he
was suspended from flying military jets. Bush spokesperson Dan
Bartlett told Georgemag.com: "You take that exam because you are
flying, and he was not flying. The paperwork uses the phrase
'suspended from flying,' but he had no intention of flying at that
time."
Some media reports have speculated that Bush took and failed his
physical, or that he was grounded as a result of substance abuse.
Bush's vagueness on the subject of his past drug use has only abetted
such rumors. Bush's commanding officer in Texas, however, denies the
charges. "His flying status was suspended because he didn't take the
exam,not because he couldn't pass," says Hodges. Asked whether Bush
was ever disciplined for using alcohol or illicit drugs, Hodges
replied: "No."
On September 5, Bush wrote to then-Colonel Jerry Killian at his
original unit in Texas, requesting permission to serve with the 187th
Tactical Reconnaisance Group, another Alabama-based unit. "This duty
would be for the months of September, October, and November," wrote
Bush.
This time his request was approved: 10 days later, the Alabama Guard
ordered Bush to report to then-Lieutenant Colonel William Turnipseed
at Dannelly Air Force Base in Montgomery on October 7th and 8th. The
memo noted that "Lieutenant Bush will not be able to satisfy his
flight requirements with our group," since the 187th did not fly
F-102s.
The question of whether Bush ever actually served in Alabama has
become an issue in the 2000 campaign-the Air Force Times recently
reported that "the GOP is trying to locate people who served with Bush
in late 1972 ... to see if they can confirm that Bush briefly served
with the Alabama Air National Guard." Bush's records contain no
evidence that he reported to Dannelly in October. And in telephone
interviews with Georgemag.com, neither Turnipseed, Bush's commanding
officer, nor Kenneth Lott, then chief personnel officer of the 187th,
remembered Bush serving with their unit. "I don't think he showed up,"
Turnipseed said.
Bush maintains he did serve in Alabama. "Governor Bush specifically
remembers pulling duty in Montgomery and respectfully disagrees with
the Colonel," says Bartlett. "There's no question it wasn't memorable,
because he wasn't flying." In July, the Decatur Daily reported that
two former Blount campaign workers recall Bush serving in the Alabama
Air National Guard in the fall of 1972. "I remember he actually came
back to Alabama for about a week to 10 days several weeks after the
campaign was over to complete his Guard duty in the state," stated
Emily Martin, a former Alabama resident who said she dated Bush during
the time he spent in that state.
After the 1972 election, which Blount lost, Bush moved back to Houston
and subsequently began working at P.U.L.L., a community service center
for disadvantaged youths. This period of time has also become a matter
of controversy, because even though Bush's original unit had been
placed on alert duty in October 1972, his superiors in Texas lost
track of his whereabouts. On May 2, 1973, Bush's squadron leader in
the 147th, Lieutenant Colonel William Harris, Jr. wrote: "Lt. Bush has
not been observed at this unit" for the past year. Harris incorrectly
assumed that Bush had been reporting for duty in Alabama all along. He
wrote that Bush "has been performing equivalent training in a
non-flying status with the 187 Tac Recon Gp, Dannelly ANG Base,
Alabama." Base commander Hodges says of Bush's return to Texas: "All I
remember is someone saying he came back and made up his days."
Two documents obtained by Georgemag.com indicate that Bush did make up
the time he missed during the summer and autumn of 1972. One is an
April 23, 1973 order for Bush to report to annual active duty training
the following month; the other is an Air National Guard statement of
days served by Bush that is torn and undated but contains entries that
correspond to the first. Taken together, they appear to establish that
Bush reported for duty on nine occasions between November 29,
1972-when he could have been in Alabama-and May 24, 1973. Bush still
wasn't flying, but over this span, he did earn nine points of National
Guard service from days of active duty and 32 from inactive duty. When
added to the 15 so-called "gratuitous" points that every member of the
Guard got per year, Bush accumulated 56 points, more than the 50 that
he needed by the end of May 1973 to maintain his standing as a
Guardsman.
On May 1, Bush was ordered to report for further active duty training,
and documents show that he proceeded to cram in another 10 sessions
over the next two months. Ultimately, he racked up 19 active duty
points of service and 16 inactive duty points by July 30-which, added
to his 15 gratuitous points, achieved the requisite total of 50 for
the year ending in May 1974.
On October 1, 1973, First Lieutenant George W. Bush received an early
honorable discharge so that he could attend Harvard Business School.
He was credited with five years, four months and five days of service
toward his six-year service obligation.
ALOHA
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"Thomas" <mauicop@no-spam> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:20:43 -0700, "WinGuru" <anonymous> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Mike Pearson <see .sig>" <nojunk@no-spam> wrote in message
> >news:1fx6k9y.kaii841cv96gwN%nojunk@no-spam
> >> WinGuru <anonymous> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > What a surprise, someone who can't see or accept the truth admires a
> >> > convicted drunken driver, AWOL, privileged, lying, thieving, uncaring
> >idiot.
> >>
> >>
> >> You forgot 'cokehead'.
> >>
> >> Also, he was only AWOL for a relatively short time. After the
> >> unauthorized absence went past the 30-day mark he became a full-fledged
> >> deserter. It was absolutely disgusting to see him prancing around on a
> >> carrier deck in a military flight suit and not wearing the handcuffs he
> >> so richly deserves.
> >>
> >
> >You're correct of course. He should be in jail and if he was anyone but
a
> >son of privilege, he would have been. There is no doubt that he failed
to
> >report for duty as he was ordered. Be interesting to see how he responds
to
> >someone who today doesn't show up for duty and then uses the defense that
he
> >was just following the pResident's example.
>
>
>
> Cool off Gomer. In your zeal to appear "informed", you have once
> again committed a gaffe so large that it requires a double shoe-ectomy
> of your mouth.
> The so-called charge that Bush was "AWOL" has been thoroughly
> investigated and found to be the imaginings of overheated
> ideologically zealous left-wing nuts like yourself.
Really? You can show the results of a formal military or justice department
investigation? You can't - you mean all that you really have is his
campaign's statement? Wow, given how truthful (NOT!) that his
administration has been, you just know that they wouldn't fudge the truth -
what a joke!!!!
> The man received an honorable discharge, that doesn't happen to
> someone who has been AWOL.
> Just this once, because you aren't the genius you claim to be, indeed,
> you exhibit many dunce-like qualities, I have reproduced the research
> here for your enlightenment.
[snip]
>
> OK. George W. Bush wasn't AWOL, was never AWOL, and the repeated
> charge that he was AWOL is.....................the product of retards.
>
Statement by affirmation is NOT proof.
You should read the real facts of the situation. Maybe you'll learn
something.
> All of the below research and documentation is available at:
>
> www.TheTruth.com
>
> http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39ea05224b3e.htm
>
>
>
>
> I also received a very detailed e-mail from a Navy instructor in
> California, who asked to remain nameless:
> All the cited documents so far are an assortment of standard form
> letters that are found in many reserve
> pilots records. The "smoking gun" AWOL proof cite is actually a
> standard report evaluation of ANG
> members that have transferred during an evaluation period. Each
> command is required to submit an
> evaluation record even if the member is no longer there to keep a
> constant an unbroken line of
> evaluation. The "smoking gun" terminology of "Not observed at this
> station" is the exact proper wording
> found in any members record of evaluation during a transfer which
> oddly the previous cited documents
> actually prove was the case. This is the standard evaluation extension
> language used in almost all
> military records. For the Navy the block is listed with "Not Observed"
> for the Army it lists "not present for
> evaluation".
Yes, this is the phrase - but it is the phrase used when the person who was
assigned for duty for a specific posting under specific command structure
never showed up. HE NEVER WAS THERE TO PERFORM HIS DUTY!!!! The ONLY way
he could NOT be AWOL is if he can show valid orders for another duty station
(not for one he just happened to show up at) and a evaluation record (OER)
completed and SIGNED by his duly assigned commanding officer, and signed by
that officer's superior officer. When you examine the regulations, this is
the phrase used when the person, who you are supposed to rate (because
that's what military records show was the assigned duty posting), was never
there to be rated and the only conditions are 1) lawfully assigned
elsewhere, 2) in jail, or 3) AWOL.
> The flight suspension letter is also a commonplace form
> letter suspending flying till an annual
> physical exam is completed.
Taking a physical is NOT an optional item. ALL military officers are
required to have an annual physical. At the very least, Bush was guilty of
breaking a general order. What's really interesting though, when you look
at some other facts surrounding the situation, the physical that year was
the first time that a drug test was included as part of the physical. Now
why would Bush, a known alcoholic and suspected other drug user, suddenly
not take a physical just when a drug test was instituted?
> This other "smoking gun" is such a common occurrence especially in the
> ANG that there are other people
> than George Bush listed on it using the same exact terminology.
> Further investigating the documents finds that the AWOL claim is
> merely wishful thinking by some who
> simply misunderstand what the military documents say or don't know how
> common they really are in
> many service members records.
> As you pointed out in your investigation in the final months of George
> Bush's ANG reserve commitment
> "when Bush decided to go to business school at Harvard in the fall of
> 1973, he requested and got an
> honorable discharge--eight months before his service was scheduled to
> end." The military does not and
> cannot by regulation, issue an Honorable Discharge to anyone that has
> been AWOL or otherwise
> seriously reprimanded as the resume tries to claim.
>
True ... but that would only happen if someone were to investigate and
charge him. Is there any explanation of why he was granted what is clearly
against regulations and clearly something that most could never even have a
chance at, ie., skipping out on contractual obligation to the US in
repayment for all that the US taxpayer had spent training him?
>
>
> The Real Military Record of George W. Bush: Not Heroic, but Not AWOL,
> Either
> By Peter Keating and Karthik Thyagarajan
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
>
> For more than a year, controversy about George W. Bush's Air National
> Guard record has bubbled through the press. Interest in the topic has
> spiked in recent days, as at least two websites have launched stories
> essentially calling Bush AWOL in 1972 and 1973. For example, in
> "Finally, the Truth about Bush's Military Record" on TomPaine.com,
> Marty Heldt writes, "Bush's long absence from the records comes to an
> end one week after he failed to comply with an order to attend 'Annual
> Active Duty Training' starting at the end of May 1973... Nothing
> indicates in the records that he ever made up the time he missed." And
> in Bush's Military Record Reveals Grounding and Absence for Two Full
> Years" on Democrats.com, Robert A. Rogers states: "Bush never actually
> reported in person for the last two years of his service - in direct
> violation of two separate written orders."
>
> Neither is correct.
Really??? Funny how the facts sure don't say otherwise.
>
> It's time to set the record straight. The following analysis, which
> relies on National Guard documents, extensive interviews with military
> officials and previously unpublished evidence of Bush's whereabouts in
> the summer and fall of 1972, is the first full chronology of Bush's
> military record. Its basic conclusions: Bush may have received
> favorable treatment to get into the Guard, served irregularly after
> the spring of 1972 and got an expedited discharge, but he did
> accumulate the days of service required of him for his ultimate
> honorable discharge.
ONLY if you accept his statement that he served. Funny thing is there is NO
documentary or eye witness statements to support his contention.
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
>
> At the Republican convention in Philadelphia, George W. Bush declared:
> "Our military is low on parts, pay and morale. If called on by the
> commander-in-chief today, two entire divisions of the Army would have
> to report, 'Not ready for duty, sir.'" Bush says he is the candidate
> who can "rebuild our military and prepare our armed forces for the
> future." On what direct military experience does he make such claims?
>
> George W. Bush applied to join the Texas Air National Guard on May 27,
> 1968, less than two weeks before he graduated from Yale University.
> The country was at war in Vietnam, and at that time, just months after
> the bloody Tet Offensive, an estimated 100,000 Americans were on
> waiting lists to join Guard units across the country. Bush was sworn
> in on the day he applied.
>
> Ben Barnes, former speaker of the Texas House of Representatives,
> stated in September 1999 that in late 1967 or early 1968, he asked a
> senior official in the Texas Air National Guard to help Bush get into
> the Guard as a pilot. Barnes said he did so at the behest of Sidney
> Adger, a Houston businessman and friend of former President George H.
> W. Bush, then a Texas congressman. Despite Barnes's admission, former
> President Bush has denied pulling strings for his son, and retired
> Colonel Walter Staudt, George W. Bush's first commander, insists:
> "There was no special treatment."
Clearly not accurate - Bush got an easy ride; he should have been wading
through a swamp as a infantryman; however, I sure wouldn't have wanted to be
in his platoon - you just know he would be dropping his weapon and running
at the first sign of trouble.
>
> The younger Bush fulfilled two years of active duty and completed
> pilot training in June 1970. During that time and in the two years
> that followed, Bush flew the F-102, an interceptor jet equipped with
> heat-seeking missiles that could shoot down enemy planes. His
> commanding officers and peers regarded Bush as a competent pilot and
> enthusiastic Guard member. In March 1970, the Texas Air National Guard
> issued a press release trumpeting his performance: "Lt. Bush recently
> became the first Houston pilot to be trained by the 147th [Fighter
> Group] and to solo in the F-102... Lt. Bush said his father was just
> as excited and enthusiastic about his solo flight as he was."
In other words ... a stunt for his Dad's campaigns.
> In
> Bush's evaluation for the period May 1, 1971 through April 30, 1972,
> then-Colonel Bobby Hodges, his commanding officer, stated, "I have
> personally observed his participation, and without exception, his
> performance has been noteworthy."
I've written many OERs over the years. This is a phrase used to indicate
that he has to be watched and everything noted.
> In the spring of 1972, however,
> National Guard records show a sudden dropoff in Bush's military
> activity. Though trained as a pilot at considerable government
> expense, Bush stopped flying in April 1972 and never flew for the
> Guard again.
You can't just "stop flying", especially during wartime - there had to be
other factors.
>
> Around that time, Bush decided to go to work for Winton "Red" Blount,
> a Republican running for the U.S. Senate, in Alabama.
He decided????? He was in the military - was there some special rule that
allowed him to one day wake up and decide that he was just going to quit the
military and get a different job? Didn't know you could just quit the
military like that. Gee, I bet that would be interesting news to the
military pilots over in the MiddleEast right now who have been informed that
they are on indefinite extension of service.
> Documents from
> Ellington Air Force Base in Houston state that Bush "cleared this base
> on 15 May." Shortly afterward, he applied for assignment to the 9921st
> Air Reserve Squadron in Montgomery, Ala., a unit that required minimal
> duty and offered no pay. Although that unit's commander was willing to
> welcome him, on May 31 higher-ups at the Air Reserve Personnel Center
> in Denver rejected Bush's request to serve at the 9921st, because it
> did not offer duty equivalent to his service in Texas. "[A]n obligated
> Reservist [in this case, Bush] can be assigned to a specific Ready
> Reserve position only," noted the disapproval memo, a copy of which
> was sent to Bush. "Therefore, he is ineligible for assignment to an
> Air Reserve Squadron."
>
> Despite the military's decision, Bush moved to Alabama. Records
> obtained by Georegemag.com show that the Blount Senate campaign paid
> Bush about $900 a month from mid-May through mid-November to do
> advance work and organize events. Neither Bush's annual evaluation nor
> the Air National Guard's overall chronological listing of his service
> contain any evidence that he performed Guard duties during that
> summer.
Okay, here's the deal - at the very least, from 15 May through at least 1st
May of the NEXT YEAR, no one has ANY record of Bush showing up and serving.
>
> On or around his 27th birthday, July 6, 1972, Bush did not take his
> required annual medical exam at his Texas unit. As a consequence, he
> was suspended from flying military jets. Bush spokesperson Dan
> Bartlett told Georgemag.com: "You take that exam because you are
> flying, and he was not flying. The paperwork uses the phrase
> 'suspended from flying,' but he had no intention of flying at that
> time."
He was suspended from flying. Given how desperate the service was for
pilots at the time, you have got to wonder what condition would result in a
suspension from flying.
>
> Some media reports have speculated that Bush took and failed his
> physical, or that he was grounded as a result of substance abuse.
> Bush's vagueness on the subject of his past drug use has only abetted
> such rumors. Bush's commanding officer in Texas, however, denies the
> charges. "His flying status was suspended because he didn't take the
> exam,not because he couldn't pass," says Hodges. Asked whether Bush
> was ever disciplined for using alcohol or illicit drugs, Hodges
> replied: "No."
>
> On September 5, Bush wrote to then-Colonel Jerry Killian at his
> original unit in Texas, requesting permission to serve with the 187th
> Tactical Reconnaisance Group, another Alabama-based unit. "This duty
> would be for the months of September, October, and November," wrote
> Bush.
>
> This time his request was approved: 10 days later, the Alabama Guard
> ordered Bush to report to then-Lieutenant Colonel William Turnipseed
> at Dannelly Air Force Base in Montgomery on October 7th and 8th. The
> memo noted that "Lieutenant Bush will not be able to satisfy his
> flight requirements with our group," since the 187th did not fly
> F-102s.
Note that the COMMANDER of the unit, Col. Turnipseed, has NO memory of Bush
EVER showing up - no 201 file, no medical file, no attendance records -
NOTHING. I can not believe that a commander would have no memory of a
Congressman's son if he had actually ever shown up.
>
> The question of whether Bush ever actually served in Alabama has
> become an issue in the 2000 campaign-the Air Force Times recently
> reported that "the GOP is trying to locate people who served with Bush
> in late 1972 ... to see if they can confirm that Bush briefly served
> with the Alabama Air National Guard." Bush's records contain no
> evidence that he reported to Dannelly in October. And in telephone
> interviews with Georgemag.com, neither Turnipseed, Bush's commanding
> officer, nor Kenneth Lott, then chief personnel officer of the 187th,
> remembered Bush serving with their unit. "I don't think he showed up,"
> Turnipseed said.
>
> Bush maintains he did serve in Alabama. "Governor Bush specifically
> remembers pulling duty in Montgomery and respectfully disagrees with
> the Colonel," says Bartlett. "There's no question it wasn't memorable,
> because he wasn't flying." In July, the Decatur Daily reported that
> two former Blount campaign workers recall Bush serving in the Alabama
> Air National Guard in the fall of 1972. "I remember he actually came
> back to Alabama for about a week to 10 days several weeks after the
> campaign was over to complete his Guard duty in the state," stated
> Emily Martin, a former Alabama resident who said she dated Bush during
> the time he spent in that state.
>
CAMPAIGN WORKERS - where's the 201 file, where's the medical file and log,
where's the duty logs, where's the attendance logs - NOTHING.
> After the 1972 election, which Blount lost, Bush moved back to Houston
> and subsequently began working at P.U.L.L., a community service center
> for disadvantaged youths. This period of time has also become a matter
> of controversy, because even though Bush's original unit had been
> placed on alert duty in October 1972, his superiors in Texas lost
> track of his whereabouts.
Gee, his unit is placed on alert duty and Bush is nowhere to be found; what
a surprise - NOT!
> On May 2, 1973, Bush's squadron leader in
> the 147th, Lieutenant Colonel William Harris, Jr. wrote: "Lt. Bush has
> not been observed at this unit" for the past year. Harris incorrectly
> assumed that Bush had been reporting for duty in Alabama all along. He
> wrote that Bush "has been performing equivalent training in a
> non-flying status with the 187 Tac Recon Gp, Dannelly ANG Base,
> Alabama." Base commander Hodges says of Bush's return to Texas: "All I
> remember is someone saying he came back and made up his days."
No documentary evidence. No orders. No attendance records, no logs of duty
served or records being turned in - "someone saying he came back" ...
>
> Two documents obtained by Georgemag.com indicate that Bush did make up
> the time he missed during the summer and autumn of 1972. One is an
> April 23, 1973 order for Bush to report to annual active duty training
> the following month; the other is an Air National Guard statement of
> days served by Bush that is torn and undated but contains entries that
> correspond to the first. Taken together, they appear to establish that
Don't you just love that phrase "appear" ???
> Bush reported for duty on nine occasions between November 29,
> 1972-when he could have been in Alabama-and May 24, 1973. Bush still
> wasn't flying, but over this span, he did earn nine points of National
> Guard service from days of active duty and 32 from inactive duty. When
> added to the 15 so-called "gratuitous" points that every member of the
> Guard got per year, Bush accumulated 56 points, more than the 50 that
> he needed by the end of May 1973 to maintain his standing as a
> Guardsman.
Funny how there aren't any pay stubs, attendance records, duty logs, etc. to
demonstrate that he did. Gee, you don't think that maybe, somehow, a form
got modified?
>
> On May 1, Bush was ordered to report for further active duty training,
> and documents show that he proceeded to cram in another 10 sessions
> over the next two months. Ultimately, he racked up 19 active duty
> points of service and 16 inactive duty points by July 30-which, added
> to his 15 gratuitous points, achieved the requisite total of 50 for
> the year ending in May 1974.
>
So in a year, somewhere he attended 19 days of drill. Gee, anyone seen the
logs? Wait, you mean these ones have documentation but the ones for the two
years previous can't be found? Wonder why??
> On October 1, 1973, First Lieutenant George W. Bush received an early
> honorable discharge so that he could attend Harvard Business School.
> He was credited with five years, four months and five days of service
> toward his six-year service obligation.
>
>
Well good for him. Such rough duty - you know those golf courses can be
really tough. Of course, some poor soldier who didn't have well connected
political friends and thereby had to be drafted to fill the spot that Bush
skipped out on spent that time in Vietnam getting shot at.
"Thomas" <mauicop@no-spam> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:20:43 -0700, "WinGuru" <anonymous> wrote:
> >"Mike Pearson <see .sig>" <nojunk@no-spam> wrote in message
> >news:1fx6k9y.kaii841cv96gwN%nojunk@no-spam
> >> WinGuru <anonymous> wrote:
>
> Cool off Gomer. In your zeal to appear "informed", you have once
> again committed a gaffe so large that it requires a double shoe-ectomy
> of your mouth.
>
It's important not to put both feet in your mouth at once or you won't have a
leg to stand on. KM
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"Thomas" <mauicop@no-spam> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:20:43 -0700, "WinGuru" <anonymous> wrote:
> >"Mike Pearson <see .sig>" <nojunk@no-spam> wrote in message
> >news:1fx6k9y.kaii841cv96gwN%nojunk@no-spam
> >> WinGuru <anonymous> wrote:
>
> OK. George W. Bush wasn't AWOL, was never AWOL, and the repeated
> charge that he was AWOL is.....................the product of retards.
>
> All of the below research and documentation is available at:
>
> www.TheTruth.com
>
> http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39ea05224b3e.htm
>
> I also received a very detailed e-mail from a Navy instructor in
> California, who asked to remain nameless:
> All the cited documents so far are an assortment of standard form
> letters that are found in many reserve
> pilots records. The "smoking gun" AWOL proof cite is actually a
> standard report evaluation of ANG
> members that have transferred during an evaluation period. Each
> command is required to submit an
> evaluation record even if the member is no longer there to keep a
> constant an unbroken line of
> evaluation. The "smoking gun" terminology of "Not observed at this
> station" is the exact proper wording
> found in any members record of evaluation during a transfer which
> oddly the previous cited documents
> actually prove was the case. This is the standard evaluation extension
> language used in almost all
> military records. For the Navy the block is listed with "Not Observed"
> for the Army it lists "not present for
> evaluation". The flight suspension letter is also a commonplace form
> letter suspending flying till an annual
> physical exam is completed.
> This other "smoking gun" is such a common occurrence especially in the
> ANG that there are other people
> than George Bush listed on it using the same exact terminology.
> Further investigating the documents finds that the AWOL claim is
> merely wishful thinking by some who
> simply misunderstand what the military documents say or don't know how
> common they really are in
> many service members records.
> As you pointed out in your investigation in the final months of George
> Bush's ANG reserve commitment
> "when Bush decided to go to business school at Harvard in the fall of
> 1973, he requested and got an
> honorable discharge--eight months before his service was scheduled to
> end." The military does not and
> cannot by regulation, issue an Honorable Discharge to anyone that has
> been AWOL or otherwise
> seriously reprimanded as the resume tries to claim.
>
Good stuff! Thanks, that's a keeper! The history (though I snipped it) is
interesting and informative - a breath of fresh air among completely
unfounded charges and invidious invective! KM
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