>>>>> "Bill" == Bill Chevek <billsworld@no-spam> writes:
Bill> I love this state but I have a serious problem with the gas
Bill> prices, the gas taxes, and the no-pump policy. Why is it that
Bill> every year a bill that would fix these problems gets held up in
Bill> the state government by nitwits who don't even have to put gas
Bill> in their cars anymore? And why is it that gas prices here are
Bill> more expensive than anywhere else? Probably because of the extra
Bill> employees that gas stations have to have and the high gasoline
Bill> taxes.
Bill> So why can't we put it up to a vote? I'd bet Oregon would
Bill> overwhelmingly vote for a law that let us have self-serve AND
Bill> gave us some of the lowest gas prices in the country by lowering
Bill> taxes and letting station owners decide what their customers
Bill> preferred rather than the state.
Read these for a backgrounder:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=oregon%20self-service%20gas&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_ugroup=or.*&lr=&num=100&as_scoring=d&hl=en>
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2003, Bill Chevek wrote:
> I love this state but I have a serious problem with the gas prices, the gas
> taxes, and the no-pump policy. Why is it that every year a bill that would
> fix these problems gets held up in the state government by nitwits who don't
> even have to put gas in their cars anymore? And why is it that gas prices
> here are more expensive than anywhere else? Probably because of the extra
> employees that gas stations have to have and the high gasoline taxes.
>
> So why can't we put it up to a vote? I'd bet Oregon would overwhelmingly
> vote for a law that let us have self-serve AND gave us some of the lowest
> gas prices in the country by lowering taxes and letting station owners
> decide what their customers preferred rather than the state.
>
>
What are the gas prices there right now?
In alt.culture.oregon Bill Chevek <billsworld@no-spam> wrote:
: I love this state but I have a serious problem with the gas prices, the gas
: taxes, and the no-pump policy. Why is it that every year a bill that would
: fix these problems gets held up in the state government by nitwits who don't
: even have to put gas in their cars anymore? And why is it that gas prices
: here are more expensive than anywhere else?
Well, perhaps because they aren't? California's prices are
consistenly higher than Oregon's. In Pennsylvania recently, prices
weren't much lower than Oregon's - not enough to complain about.
: Probably because of the extra
: employees that gas stations have to have and the high gasoline taxes.
Gas prices besides taxes vary due to regional supply and local
refinery demands. California requires additional proccessing that
raises their prices.
: So why can't we put it up to a vote? I'd bet Oregon would overwhelmingly
: vote for a law that let us have self-serve AND gave us some of the lowest
: gas prices in the country by lowering taxes and letting station owners
: decide what their customers preferred rather than the state.
I would vote for a ballot initiative that still required stations to
pump your gas for you but allowed people to pump it on their own if
they wished. I'm not hung up on the few extra cents a gallon it
seems to cost to pay people to pump it - what I object to is the loss
my freedom to pump the gas if I wish. Once in a while I like having
it pumped for me, but most of the time I'd prefer to pay at the pump,
pump it, and get out of there.
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"Joni Rathbun" <jrathbun@no-spam> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2003, Bill Chevek wrote:
>
> > I love this state but I have a serious problem with the gas prices, the
gas
> > taxes, and the no-pump policy. Why is it that every year a bill that
would
> > fix these problems gets held up in the state government by nitwits who
don't
> > even have to put gas in their cars anymore? And why is it that gas
prices
> > here are more expensive than anywhere else? Probably because of the
extra
> > employees that gas stations have to have and the high gasoline taxes.
> >
> > So why can't we put it up to a vote? I'd bet Oregon would overwhelmingly
> > vote for a law that let us have self-serve AND gave us some of the
lowest
> > gas prices in the country by lowering taxes and letting station owners
> > decide what their customers preferred rather than the state.
> >
> >
>
> What are the gas prices there right now?
Right now only California and Nevada have higher gas prices than Oregon west
of the Missisiisiissiissiisisiisisisppipi river. You can check prices easily
here at this site:
http://www.gasbuddy.com/
jrw@no-spam (Joyce Reynolds-Ward) writes:
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:37:28 -0700, Joni Rathbun
> <jrathbun@no-spam> wrote:
> >What are the gas prices there right now?
>
> Portland Metro area is running at about the same prices that we saw in
> our loop through Utah and Nevada a couple of weeks ago, including Las
> Vegas. I paid $1.65/gal for Chevron in Corvallis (proper, not on I-5)
> today.
$1.629 at the 76 at the Brownsville exit on Wednesday. $1.549 in
Roseburg at the discount stations.
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"Larry Caldwell" <larryc@no-spam> wrote in message
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> jrw@no-spam (Joyce Reynolds-Ward) writes:
> > On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:37:28 -0700, Joni Rathbun
> > <jrathbun@no-spam> wrote:
>
> > >What are the gas prices there right now?
> >
> > Portland Metro area is running at about the same prices that we saw in
> > our loop through Utah and Nevada a couple of weeks ago, including Las
> > Vegas. I paid $1.65/gal for Chevron in Corvallis (proper, not on I-5)
> > today.
>
> $1.629 at the 76 at the Brownsville exit on Wednesday. $1.549 in
> Roseburg at the discount stations.
>
I work in Brooks, just north of Salem. Gas there is $1.57. Right off I5.
>
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In article <MPG.1967f893b0b3a075989795@no-spam>,
Larry Caldwell <larryc@no-spam> wrote:
> jrw@no-spam (Joyce Reynolds-Ward) writes:
> > On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:37:28 -0700, Joni Rathbun
> > <jrathbun@no-spam> wrote:
>
> > >What are the gas prices there right now?
> >
> > Portland Metro area is running at about the same prices that we saw in
> > our loop through Utah and Nevada a couple of weeks ago, including Las
> > Vegas. I paid $1.65/gal for Chevron in Corvallis (proper, not on I-5)
> > today.
>
> $1.629 at the 76 at the Brownsville exit on Wednesday. $1.549 in
> Roseburg at the discount stations.
1.59 at Arco at intersection of Allen and Lombard in Beaverton this pm.
ummm first off.. we have lower gas prices then Both California and
Washington.. there self serv... 2nd of all this has been put ot a vote umm
almost 8times.. and lost each time.. the majority of the people dont want to
spend the same for gas and have to pump it.. sides... with our gas lower
then many many self serv states like cali and washingtion.. i dont mind
helping keep emplyment and not putting 1000's of people out of work
"Bill Chevek" <billsworld@no-spam> wrote in message
news:GUlLa.9761$aD.1999@no-spam
> I love this state but I have a serious problem with the gas prices, the
gas
> taxes, and the no-pump policy. Why is it that every year a bill that would
> fix these problems gets held up in the state government by nitwits who
don't
> even have to put gas in their cars anymore? And why is it that gas prices
> here are more expensive than anywhere else? Probably because of the extra
> employees that gas stations have to have and the high gasoline taxes.
>
> So why can't we put it up to a vote? I'd bet Oregon would overwhelmingly
> vote for a law that let us have self-serve AND gave us some of the lowest
> gas prices in the country by lowering taxes and letting station owners
> decide what their customers preferred rather than the state.
>
>
On Sun, 29 Jun 2003, Larry Caldwell wrote:
> jrw@no-spam (Joyce Reynolds-Ward) writes:
> > On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:37:28 -0700, Joni Rathbun
> > <jrathbun@no-spam> wrote:
>
> > >What are the gas prices there right now?
> >
> > Portland Metro area is running at about the same prices that we saw in
> > our loop through Utah and Nevada a couple of weeks ago, including Las
> > Vegas. I paid $1.65/gal for Chevron in Corvallis (proper, not on I-5)
> > today.
>
> $1.629 at the 76 at the Brownsville exit on Wednesday. $1.549 in
> Roseburg at the discount stations.
>
>
Yes, you're right about Las Vegas. $1.65 is probably the average. I'm
still seeing $1.70 on many suburban corners but it's $1.63 not far
from the house.
I'd have to drive about 8 miles to get to the nearest station
where one can get service. I don't do it. I swipe my debit
card and go and run thru the car wash now and then.
I do miss full serve but as others have suggested, I'd prefer
having a choice.
In alt.culture.oregon David <asphunter@no-spam> wrote:
: ummm first off.. we have lower gas prices then Both California and
: Washington..
No, not Washington. If you live in Portland, gas prices in Vancouver
are almost always at least a few cents lower than Portland's. At
worst they are the same price, but I have seen that only a few times.
To compare prices, you need to compare the cheapest prices in Portland
with the cheapest in Vancouver, not just compare two random gas
stations. The truck stop stations off I-84 in Troutdale seems to be
the lowest in the Portland area. A few weeks ago, I found gas in
Vancouver 5 cents a gallon cheaper than those two stations in
Troutdale.
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<clw@no-spam> wrote in message
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> In article <MPG.1967f893b0b3a075989795@no-spam>,
> Larry Caldwell <larryc@no-spam> wrote:
>
> > jrw@no-spam (Joyce Reynolds-Ward) writes:
> > > On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:37:28 -0700, Joni Rathbun
> > > <jrathbun@no-spam> wrote:
> >
> > > >What are the gas prices there right now?
> > >
> > > Portland Metro area is running at about the same prices that we saw in
> > > our loop through Utah and Nevada a couple of weeks ago, including Las
> > > Vegas. I paid $1.65/gal for Chevron in Corvallis (proper, not on I-5)
> > > today.
> >
> > $1.629 at the 76 at the Brownsville exit on Wednesday. $1.549 in
> > Roseburg at the discount stations.
>
> 1.59 at Arco at intersection of Allen and Lombard in Beaverton this pm.
1.49 at several stations in N. Portland.
On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 01:24:02 GMT, "Bill Chevek" <billsworld@no-spam>
wrote:
snip
>Right now only California and Nevada have higher gas prices than Oregon west
>of the Missisiisiissiissiisisiisisisppipi river. You can check prices easily
>here at this site:
Doesn't hold for actual experience driving I-15 in Utah.
jrw
> <clw@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:clw-AD75E7.21284728062003@no-spam
> > In article <MPG.1967f893b0b3a075989795@no-spam>,
> > Larry Caldwell <larryc@no-spam> wrote:
> >
> > > jrw@no-spam (Joyce Reynolds-Ward) writes:
> > > > On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:37:28 -0700, Joni Rathbun
> > > > <jrathbun@no-spam> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >What are the gas prices there right now?
> > > >
> > > > Portland Metro area is running at about the same prices that we saw
in
> > > > our loop through Utah and Nevada a couple of weeks ago, including
Las
> > > > Vegas. I paid $1.65/gal for Chevron in Corvallis (proper, not on
I-5)
> > > > today.
> > >
> > > $1.629 at the 76 at the Brownsville exit on Wednesday. $1.549 in
> > > Roseburg at the discount stations.
> >
> > 1.59 at Arco at intersection of Allen and Lombard in Beaverton this pm.
>
> 1.49 at several stations in N. Portland.
Average price for Oregon is $1.60, average price for Washington is $1.50.
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> No, not Washington. If you live in Portland, gas prices in Vancouver
> are almost always at least a few cents lower than Portland's.
And if you've ever driven past about 15 miles from the border, you'd
notice that these savings are exclusive to the border towns to Oregon.
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In alt.culture.oregon Paul Johnson <baloo@no-spam> wrote:
: The 29 Jun 2003 15:08:30 GMT, Andrew <usenetMYSHOES@no-spam> wrote:
:> No, not Washington. If you live in Portland, gas prices in Vancouver
:> are almost always at least a few cents lower than Portland's.
: And if you've ever driven past about 15 miles from the border, you'd
: notice that these savings are exclusive to the border towns to Oregon.
Just as when you insisted repeatedly that "Hawthorne Blvd" was spelled
without an 'e", you are simply wrong again. Gas prices are cheaper in
other parts of Washington than in Oregon, more than just border
towns. I have observed this driving from Portland to Seattle - just
like anyone else can.
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:29:30 GMT
Dave Thompson <dav13795@no-spam> wrote in message
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>
> > <clw@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:clw-AD75E7.21284728062003@no-spam
> > > In article <MPG.1967f893b0b3a075989795@no-spam>,
> > > Larry Caldwell <larryc@no-spam> wrote:
> > >
> > > > jrw@no-spam (Joyce Reynolds-Ward) writes:
> > > > > On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:37:28 -0700, Joni Rathbun
> > > > > <jrathbun@no-spam> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >What are the gas prices there right now?
> > > > >
> > > > > Portland Metro area is running at about the same prices that we
saw
> in
> > > > > our loop through Utah and Nevada a couple of weeks ago, including
> Las
> > > > > Vegas. I paid $1.65/gal for Chevron in Corvallis (proper, not on
> I-5)
> > > > > today.
> > > >
> > > > $1.629 at the 76 at the Brownsville exit on Wednesday. $1.549 in
> > > > Roseburg at the discount stations.
> > >
> > > 1.59 at Arco at intersection of Allen and Lombard in Beaverton this
pm.
> >
> > 1.49 at several stations in N. Portland.
>
> Average price for Oregon is $1.60, average price for Washington is $1.50.
>
>
Until Washington raises their gas tax this week....
"gatt" <gatt@no-spam> wrote in message
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>
> "Baxter" <lbax01.spaminator@no-spam> wrote in message
>
> > > 1.59 at Arco at intersection of Allen and Lombard in Beaverton this
pm.
> >
> > 1.49 at several stations in N. Portland.
>
> Name one.
He's full of shit. I just went from the airport to Tigard and didn't see
anything less than $1.61 which was in Tigard (well, King City).
In article <5I4Ma.2523$JY1.2048@no-spam>,
"gatt" <gatt@no-spam> wrote:
> "David" <asphunter@no-spam> wrote in message
>
> >i dont mind
> > helping keep emplyment and not putting 1000's of people out of work
>
> Then we should outlaw lawn mowing. Filling your lawnmower is dangerous, and
> if everybody had to hire lawn mowers, it would create thousands of jobs.
My lawnmower was a plug in job. Then we got one you only needed to push
for my wifes exercise program. Never used any "gas".
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"gatt" <gatt@no-spam> wrote in message
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>
> "David" <asphunter@no-spam> wrote in message
>
> >i dont mind
> > helping keep emplyment and not putting 1000's of people out of work
>
> Then we should outlaw lawn mowing. Filling your lawnmower is dangerous,
and
> if everybody had to hire lawn mowers, it would create thousands of jobs.
>
That's not the issue. The ban on self-serve is not on -personal- activity
but on -commercial- activity.
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> "gatt" <gatt@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:DG4Ma.2515$JY1.847@no-spam
> >
> > "Baxter" <lbax01.spaminator@no-spam> wrote in message
> >
> > > > 1.59 at Arco at intersection of Allen and Lombard in Beaverton this
> pm.
> > >
> > > 1.49 at several stations in N. Portland.
> >
> > Name one.
> >
> Why should I bother when you're just being argumentative?
Why don't you tell us where it is so we know if you are lying or not.
CLW wrote:
> "gatt" wrote:
> > Then we should outlaw lawn mowing. Filling your
> > lawnmower is dangerous, and if everybody had to
> > hire lawn mowers, it would create thousands of jobs.
> My lawnmower was a plug in job.
It still has blades that can cut off your
fingers, or someone else's fingers. What
are you doing operating that thing without
being certified?
Bob t
"Baxter" <
> > > 1.49 at several stations in N. Portland.
> >
> > Name one.
> >
> Why should I bother when you're just being argumentative?
Because I think you're fibbing. Par for the course and all.
-c
<clw@no-spam> wrote in message
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> > >i dont mind
> > > helping keep emplyment and not putting 1000's of people out of work
> >
> > Then we should outlaw lawn mowing. Filling your lawnmower is dangerous,
and
> > if everybody had to hire lawn mowers, it would create thousands of jobs.
>
> My lawnmower was a plug in job. Then we got one you only needed to push
> for my wifes exercise program. Never used any "gas".
Neato. What difference does it make; we're talking about a law here, not
common sense.
-c
"Dave Thompson" <dav13795@no-spam> wrote in message
> Do you have a grill? It's pretty dangerous if you don't connect the
propane
> tank correctly. Lighting charcoal is dangerous, also.
Plus, if you made a law where you had to hire somebody to do it for you it
would create thousands of jobs, and you wouldn't have to burden yourself
with all those nasty fumes.
-c
"Bob Tiernan" <zulu.pacifier.com@no-spam> wrote in message
> > My lawnmower was a plug in job.
>
> It still has blades that can cut off your
> fingers, or someone else's fingers. What
> are you doing operating that thing without
> being certified?
Keeping hardworking dropouts and Mexicans out of work is what's happening.
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"gatt" <gatt@no-spam> wrote in message
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>
> "Baxter" <
>
> > > > 1.49 at several stations in N. Portland.
> > >
> > > Name one.
> > >
> > Why should I bother when you're just being argumentative?
>
> Because I think you're fibbing. Par for the course and all.
>
No you don't. You're simply trying to attack the person instead of the
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"gatt" <gatt@no-spam> wrote in message
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>
> "Baxter" <lbax01.spaminator@no-spam> wrote in message
>
> > > Then we should outlaw lawn mowing. Filling your lawnmower is
dangerous,
> > and if everybody had to hire lawn mowers, it would create thousands of
> jobs.
> > >
> > That's not the issue. The ban on self-serve is not on -personal-
activity
> > but on -commercial- activity.
>
> I can't get out and pump gas I've already paid for into my own vehicle,
> which is perfectly safe, unless it's my boat or my airplane, which is
> potentially dangerous, so splitting hairs over what it is is something
that
> is best left to lawyers and beaureacrats.
>
> What would be fun sometime is to have my jerry cans filled and then, right
> there, to fill my own jeep.
You don't own the dispensing equipment. It's still not a personal freedom
issue, it's a commercial activity issue - and no matter how hard you try you
can't make it a personal freedom issue.
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"Bill Shatzer" <bshatzer@no-spam> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, gatt wrote:
>
> -snips-
>
> > What would be fun sometime is to have my jerry cans filled and then,
right
> > there, to fill my own jeep.
>
> For extremely strange values of "fun".
And, once the gas had been pumped out of the gas station's tanks with gas
station pumps into his jerry cans, perfectly legal. It's a commercial
activity that is regulated - not a personal freedom.
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> "gatt" <gatt@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:8ukMa.6070$JY1.3227@no-spam
> >
> > "Baxter" <
> >
> > > > > 1.49 at several stations in N. Portland.
> > > >
> > > > Name one.
> > > >
> > > Why should I bother when you're just being argumentative?
> >
> > Because I think you're fibbing. Par for the course and all.
> >
> No you don't. You're simply trying to attack the person instead of the
> issue.
The issue is that you are a liar. Now, why don't you tell us where those gas
stations are?
My bet - since gas prices have been dropping over the last few days you'll
wait to see if it drops some more and then name a station or two and pretend
like they were that price when you first made the statement.
Anyone else want to take that bet?
Bill Shatzer <bshatzer@no-spam> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.44.0307011153450.13438-100000@no-spam>...
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, gatt wrote:
>
> -snips-
>
> > What would be fun sometime is to have my jerry cans filled and then, right
> > there, to fill my own jeep.
>
> For extremely strange values of "fun".
But yet that would be a legal activity, despite the fact that it is
less environmentally friendly and presents a greater safety danger.
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>> Why should I bother when you're just being argumentative?
>
> Because I think you're fibbing. Par for the course and all.
I can believe it. North tends to have cheap gas. Drive down
Fessenden sometime.
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The Tue, 01 Jul 2003 18:43:27 GMT, gatt <gatt@no-spam> wrote:
> What would be fun sometime is to have my jerry cans filled and then, right
> there, to fill my own jeep.
Why not just do that instead of complaining about it every six months
to Usenet?
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"Baxter" <lbax01.spaminator@no-spam> wrote in message
> > The issue is that you are a liar. Now, why don't you tell us where those
> gas stations are?
>
> Not much point in proving something to you, now is there?
Especially when you can't prove it at all.
You have no credibility. All you have to do is name one station that sells
gas at the rate you said, and the argument is over.
But you can't. So the argument continues.
-gatt
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The Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:00:00 -0700, Bob Tiernan <zulu.pacifier.com@no-spam> wrote:
>> Drive down Fessenden sometime.
>
> I'd like to know which Fessenden this street
> was named after.
No idea. Only went down St. John's big thoroughfare for the first
time in 2001. Not a part of town I go to frequently, I know only a
few people out that way and they're all in the same immediate family
and household.
But the 17 still needs to go at least to Reeder Beach to be useful.
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> > What would be fun sometime is to have my jerry cans filled and then,
right
> > there, to fill my own jeep.
>
> Why not just do that instead of complaining about it every six months
> to Usenet?
Why not do both?
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The Wed, 02 Jul 2003 08:34:03 GMT, gatt <gatt@no-spam> wrote:
>> Why not just do that instead of complaining about it every six months
>> to Usenet?
>
> Why not do both?
I think we're all tired of listening to it come up every few months,
and nothing will ever change by bitching at Usenet.
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Paul Johnson <baloo@no-spam> wrote:
>I think we're all tired of listening to it come up every few months,
Well, you were the first reply on this thread, and have posted too
many times for us to believe your claim to be tired of the issue.
It seems more likely that you know the current law is untenable
against true public opinion, and don't want the truth of it to be
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"gatt" <gatt@no-spam> wrote in message
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> "Baxter" <lbax01.spaminator@no-spam> wrote in message
>
> > > The issue is that you are a liar. Now, why don't you tell us where
those
> > gas stations are?
> >
> > Not much point in proving something to you, now is there?
>
> Especially when you can't prove it at all.
>
> You have no credibility. All you have to do is name one station that sells
> gas at the rate you said, and the argument is over.
>
> But you can't. So the argument continues.
>
Actually, not an argument - just attacks by a couple of amUsenet trolls. As
for credibility, you're not doing yours any good (as if you had any).
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Heck's Kitchen wrote:
> Paul Johnson <baloo@no-spam> wrote:
> >I think we're all tired of listening to it come up every few months,
> Well, you were the first reply on this thread, and have posted too
> many times for us to believe your claim to be tired of the issue.
> It seems more likely that you know the current law is untenable
> against true public opinion, and don't want the truth of it to be
> disseminated.
If "true public opinion" was for self-service, we'd have
self-service. Ballot access is not at all difficult in
this state.
"True public opinion" seems to be that folks like things the
way they are and see no particular reason to change.
'Least that's what the oil company pollsters have been
tellin' 'em for quite some time. Which is why THEY are
uninterested in sponsoring an initiative, despite
self-serve's financial attractiveness to the oil companies.
Peace and justice,
"Baxter" <lbax01.spaminator@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > Not much point in proving something to you, now is there?
> >
> > Especially when you can't prove it at all.
> >
> > You have no credibility. All you have to do is name one station that
sells
> > gas at the rate you said, and the argument is over.
> >
> > But you can't. So the argument continues.
> >
> Actually, not an argument - just attacks by a couple of amUsenet trolls.
As
> for credibility, you're not doing yours any good (as if you had any).
Does asking your for proof, which you consistently fail to provide, somehow
damage my credibility?
Are you high?
-c
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> The Tue, 01 Jul 2003 18:33:40 GMT, gatt <gatt@no-spam> wrote:
> >> Why should I bother when you're just being argumentative?
> >
> > Because I think you're fibbing. Par for the course and all.
>
> I can believe it. North tends to have cheap gas. Drive down
> Fessenden sometime.
Then Baxter won't have a problem naming one. But he won't name one, because
he can't name one, just as he can't name where he went to college. 'Cause
he made it up.
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The Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:07:06 GMT, Heck's Kitchen <upstart23@no-spam> wrote:
> Well, you were the first reply on this thread, and have posted too
> many times for us to believe your claim to be tired of the issue.
No, it's just the only topic getting traffic on a.c.o right now.
> It seems more likely that you know the current law is untenable
> against true public opinion, and don't want the truth of it to be
> disseminated.
Both you and Baxter must be smoking crack. You've got the wingnut
tinfoil hat schtick down, as Baxter does the whole unbackable claim
thing and Out-Of-State Andrew with his spelling lames (is he that
nasty with the Cinema 21 folks?).
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"gatt" <gatt@no-spam> wrote in message
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> "Paul Johnson" <baloo@no-spam> wrote in message
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> > The Tue, 01 Jul 2003 18:33:40 GMT, gatt <gatt@no-spam> wrote:
> > >> Why should I bother when you're just being argumentative?
> > >
> > > Because I think you're fibbing. Par for the course and all.
> >
> > I can believe it. North tends to have cheap gas. Drive down
> > Fessenden sometime.
>
> Then Baxter won't have a problem naming one. But he won't name one,
because
> he can't name one, just as he can't name where he went to college. 'Cause
> he made it up.
What's the matter, gatt? Can't find cheap gas on your own? That's what
comes from relying on your degrees too much. College didn't help me find
cheap gas either - real life and initiative did.
On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 19:21:10 GMT, "Bill Chevek" <billsworld@no-spam>
wrote:
>I love this state but I have a serious problem with the gas prices, the gas
>taxes, and the no-pump policy.
The gas prices are a function of distance from refineries and
transportation costs, mostly.
The gas taxes are no big deal and, if anything, too low.
The no-pump policy is the same sort of Oregon Tradition as is no sales
tax. Oregonians simply don't want to change it.
> Why is it that every year a bill that would
>fix these problems gets held up in the state government by nitwits who don't
>even have to put gas in their cars anymore?
Because the market research paid for by the petroleum industry makes
it clear that if a self-serve bill were to pass, it would be referred
and be thrown out. Which is why the awlbidniss folks don't even
bother to raise the issue any more.
>And why is it that gas prices
>here are more expensive than anywhere else?
They aren't. It varies all over the place, depending on the season of
the year, the phase of the moon, the alignment of the stars and the
way the awlbidniss folks implement their Zone Pricing program. Gas
costs both more and less elsewhere, depending on where you are.
> Probably because of the extra
>employees that gas stations have to have and the high gasoline taxes.
Nope. Neither of those seem to have any effect on the actual price of
the gas. The taxes are not part of that.
>So why can't we put it up to a vote?
Go ahead. The natural allies for such an effort would be the
awlbidniss folks. Their lobby is easily reachable - it's the Oregon
Petroleum Dealers Association. Have a chat with them, and see if they
want to fund it.
They don't.
>I'd bet Oregon would overwhelmingly
>vote for a law that let us have self-serve AND gave us some of the lowest
>gas prices in the country by lowering taxes and letting station owners
>decide what their customers preferred rather than the state.
There are so few "gas station owners" any more that the discussion
would have no effect. The awlbidniss has been closing out private
ownership for years, and the "owners" you see out there are really
lessors who hold the lease at the pleasure of the awlbidniss folks.
But you'd lose the bet anyway, or at least that's what the awlbidniss
folks believe -- and they have far better market research than you do.
This comes up about twice a year, and it never goes anywhere. Nor is
it going to go anywhere. The Internet Weenies aren't going to make it
happen, and the awlbidniss isn't going to fund the petition drive to
make it happen. OTOH, were the legislature to pass it as a bill all
on its own, the AAA would refer it immediately, and the bill would be
tossed out.
Learn to live with it. It's a lot simpler.
gatt wrote:
> No, Baxter. I'll repeat myself because you're stupid. You can't name a
> single station where you saw cheap gas prices because the apparent fact
> is, you didn't. You're a liar. You can't offer a single gas station
> because you know that I could very easily drive across town and prove
> that you're wrong.
That's what he counts on--people NOT doing footwork to
discredit him (which is very easy to do).
Recall that when he lied about "every 30 seconds"
bus service along Lombard he didn't count on
someone like me making a fact-finding mission
to that dead end area and revealing that it was
physically impossible for a bus "every 30 seconds"
as scheduled service.
And thus ended that one.
Bob t
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"gatt" <gatt@no-spam> wrote in message
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>
> "Baxter" <lbax01.spaminator@no-spam> wrote in message
>
> > > Then Baxter won't have a problem naming one. But he won't name one,
> > because
> > > he can't name one, just as he can't name where he went to college.
> 'Cause
> > > he made it up.
> >
> > What's the matter, gatt? Can't find cheap gas on your own? ]
>
> No, Baxter. I'll repeat myself because you're stupid. You can't name a
> single station where you saw cheap gas prices because the apparent fact
is,
> you didn't. You're a liar. You can't offer a single gas station because
you
> know that I could very easily drive across town and prove that you're
wrong.
>
I could name one, alright - just not for you. And anyone (including you)
can take a drive through North Portland (it is, after all, a pretty well
defined area), and see for themselves. You're just showing yourself to be
stupid. Do take it personal.
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"Bob Tiernan" <zulu.pacifier.com@no-spam> wrote in message
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>
> gatt wrote:
>
> > No, Baxter. I'll repeat myself because you're stupid. You can't name a
> > single station where you saw cheap gas prices because the apparent fact
> > is, you didn't. You're a liar. You can't offer a single gas station
> > because you know that I could very easily drive across town and prove
> > that you're wrong.
>
> That's what he counts on--people NOT doing footwork to
> discredit him (which is very easy to do).
The area is not that big that people can't see for themselves.
>
> Recall that when he lied about "every 30 seconds"
> bus service along Lombard he didn't count on
> someone like me making a fact-finding mission
> to that dead end area and revealing that it was
> physically impossible for a bus "every 30 seconds"
> as scheduled service.
You never did identify the segment I was talking about.
>
> And thus ended that one.
>
For you, it never ends.
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> "gatt" <gatt@no-spam> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Baxter" <lbax01.spaminator@no-spam> wrote in message
> >
> > > > Then Baxter won't have a problem naming one. But he won't name one,
> > > because
> > > > he can't name one, just as he can't name where he went to college.
> > 'Cause
> > > > he made it up.
> > >
> > > What's the matter, gatt? Can't find cheap gas on your own? ]
> >
> > No, Baxter. I'll repeat myself because you're stupid. You can't name a
> > single station where you saw cheap gas prices because the apparent fact
> is,
> > you didn't. You're a liar. You can't offer a single gas station because
> you
> > know that I could very easily drive across town and prove that you're
> wrong.
> >
> I could name one, alright - just not for you. And anyone (including you)
> can take a drive through North Portland (it is, after all, a pretty well
> defined area), and see for themselves. You're just showing yourself to be
> stupid. Do take it personal.
I was in north Portland. Gas prices have been coming down and there wasn't
anything within a dime of what you claimed. This means, obviously, that when
you made the claim two weeks ago you were obviously lying.
On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 07:10:20 GMT, "gatt" <gatt@no-spam> wrote:
snip
>Or, if you had half a wit, you could provide a name of such a place so
>people reading this could get cheap gas, or prove you RIGHT and tell me to
>shut the hell up.
Well, I paid 1.61 for Texaco regular, at Olson brothers in downtown
Milwaukie. Probably cheaper further down McLoughlin at their other
place....not bad for Texaco, but I didn't look at the neighboring Arco
or the Space Age there, either (we tend to run with Texaco or Chevron
with this car as it gets cranky on cheaper gas, and the mechanic's
warned us to stick with these brands since they're allegedly
certified. Hey, since the gas mileage is better and the car runs
better...)
jrw
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"Dave Thompson" <dav13795@no-spam> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Baxter" <lbax01.spaminator@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:vgj2nuns9hcecd@no-spam
> > >
> > I could name one, alright - just not for you. And anyone (including
you)
> > can take a drive through North Portland (it is, after all, a pretty well
> > defined area), and see for themselves. You're just showing yourself to
be
> > stupid. Do take it personal.
>
> I was in north Portland. Gas prices have been coming down and there wasn't
> anything within a dime of what you claimed. This means, obviously, that
when
> you made the claim two weeks ago you were obviously lying.
>
Nice try, no cigar. Too bad you feel you have to lie to save face.
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> "Dave Thompson" <dav13795@no-spam> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > "Baxter" <lbax01.spaminator@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:vgj2nuns9hcecd@no-spam
> > > >
> > > I could name one, alright - just not for you. And anyone (including
> you)
> > > can take a drive through North Portland (it is, after all, a pretty
well
> > > defined area), and see for themselves. You're just showing yourself
to
> be
> > > stupid. Do take it personal.
> >
> > I was in north Portland. Gas prices have been coming down and there
wasn't
> > anything within a dime of what you claimed. This means, obviously, that
> when
> > you made the claim two weeks ago you were obviously lying.
> >
> Nice try, no cigar. Too bad you feel you have to lie to save face.
The Arco at 57th and Fremont was $1.59.
Who's a liar now Baxter?
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:20:56 -0700, "Dave Thompson"
<dav13795@no-spam> wrote:
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>The Arco at 57th and Fremont was $1.59.
The U-Save at SE King and Linwood in Milwaukie was $1.54 today,
while the Chevron catty-corner from it was $1.59. Johnson Creek
Freddy's had $1.51. However, I doubt they were *that* cheap two weeks
ago.
jrw
"Joyce Reynolds-Ward" <jrw@no-spam> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:20:56 -0700, "Dave Thompson"
> <dav13795@no-spam> wrote:
>
> snip
>
> >The Arco at 57th and Fremont was $1.59.
>
> The U-Save at SE King and Linwood in Milwaukie was $1.54 today,
> while the Chevron catty-corner from it was $1.59. Johnson Creek
> Freddy's had $1.51. However, I doubt they were *that* cheap two weeks
> ago.
Baxter is still waiting and holding out until they drop, then he'll squeal
like a piggy that they were that price all the time.
A VERY nice summation to all the issues of this long thread ... and you
flamed No ONE...congratulations! (Seriously)
"Don Homuth" <enough@no-spam> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 19:21:10 GMT, "Bill Chevek" <billsworld@no-spam>
> wrote:
>
> >I love this state but I have a serious problem with the gas prices, the
gas
> >taxes, and the no-pump policy.
>
> The gas prices are a function of distance from refineries and
> transportation costs, mostly.
>
> The gas taxes are no big deal and, if anything, too low.
>
> The no-pump policy is the same sort of Oregon Tradition as is no sales
> tax. Oregonians simply don't want to change it.
>
> > Why is it that every year a bill that would
> >fix these problems gets held up in the state government by nitwits who
don't
> >even have to put gas in their cars anymore?
>
> Because the market research paid for by the petroleum industry makes
> it clear that if a self-serve bill were to pass, it would be referred
> and be thrown out. Which is why the awlbidniss folks don't even
> bother to raise the issue any more.
>
> >And why is it that gas prices
> >here are more expensive than anywhere else?
>
> They aren't. It varies all over the place, depending on the season of
> the year, the phase of the moon, the alignment of the stars and the
> way the awlbidniss folks implement their Zone Pricing program. Gas
> costs both more and less elsewhere, depending on where you are.
>
> > Probably because of the extra
> >employees that gas stations have to have and the high gasoline taxes.
>
> Nope. Neither of those seem to have any effect on the actual price of
> the gas. The taxes are not part of that.
>
> >So why can't we put it up to a vote?
>
> Go ahead. The natural allies for such an effort would be the
> awlbidniss folks. Their lobby is easily reachable - it's the Oregon
> Petroleum Dealers Association. Have a chat with them, and see if they
> want to fund it.
>
> They don't.
>
> >I'd bet Oregon would overwhelmingly
> >vote for a law that let us have self-serve AND gave us some of the lowest
> >gas prices in the country by lowering taxes and letting station owners
> >decide what their customers preferred rather than the state.
>
> There are so few "gas station owners" any more that the discussion
> would have no effect. The awlbidniss has been closing out private
> ownership for years, and the "owners" you see out there are really
> lessors who hold the lease at the pleasure of the awlbidniss folks.
>
> But you'd lose the bet anyway, or at least that's what the awlbidniss
> folks believe -- and they have far better market research than you do.
>
> This comes up about twice a year, and it never goes anywhere. Nor is
> it going to go anywhere. The Internet Weenies aren't going to make it
> happen, and the awlbidniss isn't going to fund the petition drive to
> make it happen. OTOH, were the legislature to pass it as a bill all
> on its own, the AAA would refer it immediately, and the bill would be
> tossed out.
>
> Learn to live with it. It's a lot simpler.
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:58:09 -0400, "John" <jawod@no-spam> wrote:
>A VERY nice summation to all the issues of this long thread ... and you
>flamed No ONE...congratulations! (Seriously)
Comes from getting a chuckle out of the matter showing up on a regular
basis.
The flaming part comes only after provocation. Since I just got back
from a 3-week vacation to N MN and Canuckistan, the provocation was
low.
"Baxter" <lbax01.spaminator@no-spam> wrote in message
> I could name one, alright - just not for you. And anyone (including you)
> can take a drive through North Portland (it is, after all, a pretty well
> defined area), and see for themselves.
Funny, I was just there yesterday. Damn if I saw gas any cheaper than the
Shell station down the street.
Now, why would you be such a complete asshole as to expect people to waste
gas and contribute to global warming by driving across town just to prove
you wrong?
What a dick. All you have to do is name one gas station and the thread is
done. But you can't. You'd rather people burn gas and pollute the air just
to discover that you're a liar.
-gatt
"Bill Shatzer" <bshatzer@no-spam> wrote in message
> If "true public opinion" was for self-service, we'd have
> self-service. Ballot access is not at all difficult in
> this state.
True public opinion was for assisted suicide and medical marijuana, too.
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"gatt" <gatt@no-spam> wrote in message
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>
> "Baxter" <lbax01.spaminator@no-spam> wrote in message
>
>
> > I could name one, alright - just not for you. And anyone (including
you)
> > can take a drive through North Portland (it is, after all, a pretty well
> > defined area), and see for themselves.
>
<snip>
>
> What a dick. All you have to do ...
Were that only true. Fact is, it would, at best, only affect this thread -
and more likely you'd claim the price wasn't what I said it was at the time
I said it. You're a Sore Loser - and if you can't find a win, you'll make
one up.
On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 16:59:06 GMT, "gatt" <gatt@no-spam> wrote:
>
>"Bill Shatzer" <bshatzer@no-spam> wrote in message
>
>> If "true public opinion" was for self-service, we'd have
>> self-service. Ballot access is not at all difficult in
>> this state.
>
>True public opinion was for assisted suicide and medical marijuana, too.
Each of those had an interested group doing Useful Political Work that
got them done. Neither happened all by themselves.
No such group exists for self-serve gasoline -- including and perhaps
especially the petroleum dealers.
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> "Baxter" <lbax01.spaminator@no-spam> wrote in message
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> >
> > "gatt" <gatt@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:BJCOa.18536$aD6.1650@no-spam
> > >
> > > "Baxter" <lbax01.spaminator@no-spam> wrote in message
> > >
> > >
> > > > I could name one, alright - just not for you. And anyone (including
> > you)
> > > > can take a drive through North Portland (it is, after all, a pretty
> well
> > > > defined area), and see for themselves.
> > >
> > <snip>
> > >
> > > What a dick. All you have to do ...
> >
> > Were that only true. Fact is, it would, at best, only affect this
> thread -
> > and more likely you'd claim the price wasn't what I said it was at the
> time
> > I said it.
>
> I told you this is what Baxter was going to pull.
No-win situation, right?
>Wait untill he sees a
> price and say it was that way all along. Now he's pissed he was
> out-manuevered.
>
Nah, you're just trying to save face because I wouldn't play the game by
your rules.
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"Dave Thompson" <dav13795@no-spam> wrote in message
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>
> "Baxter" <lbax01.spaminator@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:vgjce53s5r0gb2@no-spam
> > --
> >
> > "Dave Thompson" <dav13795@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:vgj79da6igrm2e@no-spam
> > >
> > >
> > > "Baxter" <lbax01.spaminator@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > news:vgj2nuns9hcecd@no-spam
> > > > >
> > > > I could name one, alright - just not for you. And anyone (including
> > you)
> > > > can take a drive through North Portland (it is, after all, a pretty
> well
> > > > defined area), and see for themselves. You're just showing yourself
> to
> > be
> > > > stupid. Do take it personal.
> > >
> > > I was in north Portland. Gas prices have been coming down and there
> wasn't
> > > anything within a dime of what you claimed. This means, obviously,
that
> > when
> > > you made the claim two weeks ago you were obviously lying.
> > >
> > Nice try, no cigar. Too bad you feel you have to lie to save face.
>
> The Arco at 57th and Fremont was $1.59.
BTW: 57th and Fremont is not in -North- Portland, it's in -NE- Portland.
>
> Who's a liar now Baxter?
>
Looks like you're the one trying cloud the issue. -North- Portland is a
very well defined area.
Paul Johnson wrote:
> Bob Tiernan wrote:
> > [someone] wrote:
> > > Drive down Fessenden sometime.
> > I'd like to know which Fessenden this street
> > was named after.
> No idea.
There were two Fessenden brothers who were generals
in the Union Army. Each had records that were
more or less equal in mild distinction so it's hard
to figure out which one the street is named after
(perhaps both).
Bob t
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> "Dave Thompson" <dav13795@no-spam> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > "Baxter" <lbax01.spaminator@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:vgm5u2tajs3k70@no-spam
> > > --
> > >
> > > "gatt" <gatt@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > news:BJCOa.18536$aD6.1650@no-spam
> > > >
> > > > "Baxter" <lbax01.spaminator@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I could name one, alright - just not for you. And anyone
(including
> > > you)
> > > > > can take a drive through North Portland (it is, after all, a
pretty
> > well
> > > > > defined area), and see for themselves.
> > > >
> > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > What a dick. All you have to do ...
> > >
> > > Were that only true. Fact is, it would, at best, only affect this
> > thread -
> > > and more likely you'd claim the price wasn't what I said it was at the
> > time
> > > I said it.
> >
> > I told you this is what Baxter was going to pull.
>
> No-win situation, right?
>
> >Wait untill he sees a
> > price and say it was that way all along. Now he's pissed he was
> > out-manuevered.
> >
> Nah, you're just trying to save face because I wouldn't play the game by
> your rules.
Ya know... i wonder just how much software on your site really belongs to
you.. maybe we should have you investigated... .
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"David" <asphunter@no-spam> wrote in message
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> "Baxter" <lbax01.spaminator@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:vgmkcpjar840d7@no-spam
> > >
> > Nah, you're just trying to save face because I wouldn't play the game by
> > your rules.
>
> Ya know... i wonder just how much software on your site really belongs to
> you.. maybe we should have you investigated... .
>
Go right ahead. Gotta wonder, though, just why you feel so threatened. Is
it because you're not capable of creating something on your own?
On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Bob Tiernan wrote:
> There were two Fessenden brothers who were generals
> in the Union Army. Each had records that were
> more or less equal in mild distinction so it's hard
> to figure out which one the street is named after
> (perhaps both).
According to Snyder's book ('Portland Names and Neighborhoods')
there is no connection between the street and any civil war
general.
If you seek civil war generals, you will (with the exception
of Burnside) need to repair to SW Portland where you will find
Sheridan, Hooker, Meade, and Porter or SE Portland where you'll find
Grant, Sherman, and Lincoln.
[Yeah, I know. Lincoln wasn't a "general". This disclaimer is
inserted for BT's benefit who would otherwise pick that particular
nit.]
Peace and justice,
"Bill Shatzer" <bshatzer@no-spam> wrote in message
> > True public opinion was for assisted suicide and medical marijuana, too.
>
> And, we currently have both assisted suicide and medical marijuana.
Not without a constant battle against the federal government and US Supreme
Court. You remember those guys who were busted in Eugene for selling glass
pipes recently?
-c
"Don Homuth" <enough@no-spam> wrote in message
> >True public opinion was for assisted suicide and medical marijuana, too.
>
> Each of those had an interested group doing Useful Political Work that
> got them done. Neither happened all by themselves.
>
> No such group exists for self-serve gasoline -- including and perhaps
> especially the petroleum dealers.
I think you're right, Don. It's in the best interest of the petroleum
dealers and oil industry to maintain the self-service ban which is most
likely why they haven't moved to repeal it.
:P
-c
Bill Shatzer wrote:
> gatt wrote:
> > [Someone] wrote:
> > > And, we currently have both assisted suicide
> > > and medical marijuana.
> > Not without a constant battle against the federal
> > government and US Supreme Court.
> The USSC has been involved in neither.
I thought the USSC did make a ruling related
to both of these.
> I doubt the USSC would get involved
> in self-service gas either.
Why not? It's already stuck its statist
nose in professional golf (and made an
incredible wrong decision--but read Scalia
and Thomas for how it should have gone).
Bob t
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The Wed, 9 Jul 2003 23:01:45 -0700, Bill Shatzer <bshatzer@no-spam> wrote:
> Glass pipes are covered under either the medical marijuana law or
> the assisted suicide law?
>
> Glass pipes seem more traditionally associated with the ingestion of
> drugs -other- than marijuana, medical or otherwise. Folks who
> wish to ingest marijuana usually prefer the traditional roach.
Actually, from what I can tell, most potheads hate rolling, opting for
a small pipe or water bong instead. Probably for all the same reasons
smokers tend to buy packs of cigarettes instead of rolling papers and
a bag of tobacco.
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.''`. Paul Johnson <baloo@no-spam>
: :' : proud Debian admin and user
`. `'`
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Bob Tiernan wrote:
> Fessenden might even be named after the
> father of the two generals--he was an
> assistant Secretary of something in the
> Lincoln Admin.
Actually, Sec of the Treasury at one point
and a US Senator.
BT
Stupid lefty Sports Illustrated
writer says that only 10% of
baseball players are black,
down from 17% some years back.
He's creating an issue where there
is none, in good ol' Jesse
Jackson fashion. Seems the
writer has his own definition
of "black" so that he could
purposely reduce the number
and cry that there's a crisis.
His definition of "black
baseball player" is one that
is born in the United States.
Therefore blacks born in
the Caribbean or South or
Central America (i.e. mostly
with Hispanic names) don't
count.
Bob T