Exactly, Canadain who did not traval, think becuase of UN ranking they are
the best? UN is really garbage? they rank the country high if tthey have
more libraries, parkes etc. what is the point I have a lot of parks when I
can not find a job??? so UN ranking is garbage and waste of time. Canada
needs more people to be great, yes more immigrants.. Canada still relativlly
new but we have many problems?? would Canada survive like Itlay, France
etc.!!
"sars" <homeless@no-spam> wrote in message
news:4nCNa.3471$NW1.541211@no-spam
> Having lived and worked in some developing countries, I have been
wondering
> why we Canadians are so complacent about the "high quality" of life we
enjoy
> here!
>
> Even in those self-proclaimed "third world" countries, it seems people
enjoy
> a good standard of living: good food, fashion clothes, secure jobs, plenty
> of leisure time and entertainment, less crimes, etc..
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if Canada drops to 80th in the next survey if
people
> still need to take 2 jobs working 12 hours a day to be able to pay their
> rent!
>
>
speaking of parks why in the blue blazes of motanica is there a need for 800
parks in ottawa?
"leza" <lezawang_new@no-spam> wrote in message
news:UyGOa.99601$2ay.88266@no-spam
> Exactly, Canadain who did not traval, think becuase of UN ranking they are
> the best? UN is really garbage? they rank the country high if tthey have
> more libraries, parkes etc. what is the point I have a lot of parks when I
> can not find a job??? so UN ranking is garbage and waste of time. Canada
> needs more people to be great, yes more immigrants.. Canada still
relativlly
> new but we have many problems?? would Canada survive like Itlay, France
> etc.!!
>
> "sars" <homeless@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:4nCNa.3471$NW1.541211@no-spam
> > Having lived and worked in some developing countries, I have been
> wondering
> > why we Canadians are so complacent about the "high quality" of life we
> enjoy
> > here!
> >
> > Even in those self-proclaimed "third world" countries, it seems people
> enjoy
> > a good standard of living: good food, fashion clothes, secure jobs,
plenty
> > of leisure time and entertainment, less crimes, etc..
> >
> > I wouldn't be surprised if Canada drops to 80th in the next survey if
> people
> > still need to take 2 jobs working 12 hours a day to be able to pay their
> > rent!
> >
> >
>
>
thevoice@no-spam wrote:
> speaking of parks why in the blue blazes of motanica is there a need for 800
> parks in ottawa?
Because every neighbourhood deserves its own communal space that's green.
Nik
http://www.nikart.ca
toronto the biggest city in canada has a tiny bit more than 100 parks.
unless they are not counting the lil parks like the one thats on a lot the
size of a house.
<thevoice@no-spam> wrote in message
news:tISOa.7157$ru2.650771@no-spam
> but 800 come on thats a lil much... i am trying to find out how many
calgary
> has as they are comparable in population as we are
>
> "Nikolaus Maack" <nikmaack@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:3F0BF366.7080408@no-spam
> > thevoice@no-spam wrote:
> > > speaking of parks why in the blue blazes of motanica is there a need
for
> 800
> > > parks in ottawa?
> >
> > Because every neighbourhood deserves its own communal space that's
green.
> >
> > Nik
> > http://www.nikart.ca
> >
>
>
On 09 Jul 2003, wrote:
> but 800 come on thats a lil much... i am trying to find out
> how many calgary has as they are comparable in population
> as we are
Have you been to Calgary recently?
I certainly wouldn't want to follow their development model.
Family farms sold for housing tracts, city gets 10x bigger in 10
years. No thanks.
Vancouver is a much better model for Ottawa. Fortunatly, city
council gets this, even if the developers don't. I'd rather live
in a denser urban environment like Montreal than in an urban
sprawl like Dallas.
--
Kind Regards,
Bruce.
"Nikolaus Maack" <nikmaack@no-spam> wrote in message
news:3F0BF366.7080408@no-spam
> > speaking of parks why in the blue blazes of motanica is there a need for
800
> > parks in ottawa?
>
> Because every neighbourhood deserves its own communal space that's green.
If you keep saying things like that, libertarian Unix wheenies who never
leave their mothers' basements, and thus have no need for a green space,
will hunt you down, rip out your liver and eat it as you look on in horror.
Or at least that is what they would do were they willing to leave their
mothers' basements.
--
Cheers,
M
"Em i dring planti wisiki na i dai ologeta."
Michael Voytinsky wrote:
> If you keep saying things like that, libertarian Unix wheenies who never
> leave their mothers' basements, and thus have no need for a green space,
> will hunt you down, rip out your liver and eat it as you look on in horror.
> Or at least that is what they would do were they willing to leave their
> mothers' basements.
I'm willing to take that risk.
I suppose a psychotic libertarian would say that if a neighbourhood
wants a park, it would be up to them to organize it entirely. Grab a
piece of land, plant grass and flowers and trees, put their own benches
there, cut the lawn whenever it gets long, etcetera.
Trust me -- I live in a housing co-op. My friends and neighbours and I
just aren't capable of being that organized.
Nik
http://www.nikart.ca
hey thats not a bad idea... considering all the money thats spent on the
park system, either this way or a pay as you go system, like the better you
want your neighborhood park the more the fee is on your neighborhoods tax
bill, if your neighborhood decides they could do it better or they don't
want the park then the park is dismantled
"Nikolaus Maack" <nikmaack@no-spam> wrote in message
news:3F0C9202.1030604@no-spam
> Michael Voytinsky wrote:
> > If you keep saying things like that, libertarian Unix wheenies who never
> > leave their mothers' basements, and thus have no need for a green space,
> > will hunt you down, rip out your liver and eat it as you look on in
horror.
> > Or at least that is what they would do were they willing to leave their
> > mothers' basements.
>
> I'm willing to take that risk.
>
> I suppose a psychotic libertarian would say that if a neighbourhood
> wants a park, it would be up to them to organize it entirely. Grab a
> piece of land, plant grass and flowers and trees, put their own benches
> there, cut the lawn whenever it gets long, etcetera.
>
> Trust me -- I live in a housing co-op. My friends and neighbours and I
> just aren't capable of being that organized.
>
> Nik
> http://www.nikart.ca
>
On 7/8/03 17:18, in article
UyGOa.99601$2ay.88266@no-spam "leza"
<lezawang_new@no-spam> wrote:
> Exactly, Canadain who did not traval, think becuase of UN ranking they are
> the best? UN is really garbage? they rank the country high if tthey have
> more libraries, parkes etc. what is the point I have a lot of parks when I
> can not find a job??? so UN ranking is garbage and waste of time.
You obviously do not know what the UN uses in its rankings.
On 7/9/03 8:30, in article
Xns93B355DA2F1A6boneheadontheboardwa@no-spam "Bruce Hollebone"
<bonehead@no-spam> wrote:
> On 09 Jul 2003, wrote:
>
>> but 800 come on thats a lil much... i am trying to find out
>> how many calgary has as they are comparable in population
>> as we are
>
> Have you been to Calgary recently?
> I certainly wouldn't want to follow their development model.
> Family farms sold for housing tracts, city gets 10x bigger in 10
> years. No thanks.
>
> Vancouver is a much better model for Ottawa. Fortunatly, city
> council gets this, even if the developers don't. I'd rather live
> in a denser urban environment like Montreal than in an urban
> sprawl like Dallas.
Dense, clustered development is the way to go but it has to go hand-in-hand
with generous amounts of green space or else the populace will quickly flee
to sprawling suburbs.
ottawa could never become as crowded as toronto... lets not forget who our
real masters are... not bob chirrelli(SP?) but that francophone who runs the
ncc.
"Jason Cormier" <fjlij@no-spam> wrote in message
news:BB34C577.52D87%fjlij@no-spam
> On 7/9/03 7:14, in article aOSOa.7168$ru2.651404@no-spam
> "thevoice@no-spam" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
>
> > toronto the biggest city in canada has a tiny bit more than 100 parks.
> > unless they are not counting the lil parks like the one thats on a lot
the
> > size of a house.
>
> If they only count 100 then they are only counting the larger ones.
Besides,
> do you think Ottawa should strive to become as crowded as Toronto?
>
maybe the rents inside the city would go down then hmmm they might but who
knows lol
"Jason Cormier" <fjlij@no-spam> wrote in message
news:BB34C5B9.52D88%fjlij@no-spam
> On 7/9/03 8:30, in article
> Xns93B355DA2F1A6boneheadontheboardwa@no-spam "Bruce Hollebone"
> <bonehead@no-spam> wrote:
>
> > On 09 Jul 2003, wrote:
> >
> >> but 800 come on thats a lil much... i am trying to find out
> >> how many calgary has as they are comparable in population
> >> as we are
> >
> > Have you been to Calgary recently?
> > I certainly wouldn't want to follow their development model.
> > Family farms sold for housing tracts, city gets 10x bigger in 10
> > years. No thanks.
> >
> > Vancouver is a much better model for Ottawa. Fortunatly, city
> > council gets this, even if the developers don't. I'd rather live
> > in a denser urban environment like Montreal than in an urban
> > sprawl like Dallas.
>
> Dense, clustered development is the way to go but it has to go
hand-in-hand
> with generous amounts of green space or else the populace will quickly
flee
> to sprawling suburbs.
>
On 7/11/03 21:11, in article yfJPa.10249$Ag6.905292@no-spam
"thevoice@no-spam" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
> ottawa could never become as crowded as toronto... lets not forget who our
> real masters are... not bob chirrelli(SP?) but that francophone who runs the
> ncc.
So you think it's a *bad* thing that the NCC is responsible for much of the
green space preservation in the Ottawa area?
Er....ok.
On 7/11/03 21:12, in article jgJPa.10250$Ag6.905672@no-spam
"thevoice@no-spam" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
>> Dense, clustered development is the way to go but it has to go
> hand-in-hand
>> with generous amounts of green space or else the populace will quickly
> flee
>> to sprawling suburbs.
>
> maybe the rents inside the city would go down then hmmm they might but who
> knows lol
I'm sure they would since a city without any significant green space in
North America is not likely to be an attractive option for relocating
companies or workers. Perhaps you would like Ottawa to turn into an ugly
abomination but I suspect most people wouldn't. Besides, the cost of living
in Ottawa is fairly low; any comparative chart of N.A. Cities demonstrates
this fact.
P.S. How about *not* top posting?
winnipeg is cheaper
"Jason Cormier" <fjlij@no-spam> wrote in message
news:BB34DE10.52DD0%fjlij@no-spam
> On 7/11/03 21:12, in article jgJPa.10250$Ag6.905672@no-spam
> "thevoice@no-spam" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
>
> >> Dense, clustered development is the way to go but it has to go
> > hand-in-hand
> >> with generous amounts of green space or else the populace will quickly
> > flee
> >> to sprawling suburbs.
> >
> > maybe the rents inside the city would go down then hmmm they might but
who
> > knows lol
>
> I'm sure they would since a city without any significant green space in
> North America is not likely to be an attractive option for relocating
> companies or workers. Perhaps you would like Ottawa to turn into an ugly
> abomination but I suspect most people wouldn't. Besides, the cost of
living
> in Ottawa is fairly low; any comparative chart of N.A. Cities demonstrates
> this fact.
>
> P.S. How about *not* top posting?
>
Jason Cormier wrote:
> On 7/9/03 8:30, in article
> Xns93B355DA2F1A6boneheadontheboardwa@no-spam "Bruce Hollebone"
> <bonehead@no-spam> wrote:
>
>
>>On 09 Jul 2003, wrote:
>>
>>
>>>but 800 come on thats a lil much... i am trying to find out
>>>how many calgary has as they are comparable in population
>>>as we are
>>
>>Have you been to Calgary recently?
>>I certainly wouldn't want to follow their development model.
>>Family farms sold for housing tracts, city gets 10x bigger in 10
>>years. No thanks.
>>
>>Vancouver is a much better model for Ottawa. Fortunatly, city
>>council gets this, even if the developers don't. I'd rather live
>>in a denser urban environment like Montreal than in an urban
>>sprawl like Dallas.
>
>
> Dense, clustered development is the way to go but it has to go hand-in-hand
> with generous amounts of green space or else the populace will quickly flee
> to sprawling suburbs.
>
Hell we have wonderful granite below us let's start building down as
well as up surely we could have 100-200 stories excavated if we tried!
William Brian Jenness wrote:
>
> Hell we have wonderful granite below us let's start building down as
> well as up surely we could have 100-200 stories excavated if we tried!
I believe we are sitting on Ottawa formation limestone and Nepean
sandstone for the most part; the rock in this area is almost entirely
sedimentary, as this area was once the bottom of the Champlain Sea.
Granite is a metamorphic rock.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
Andrew Chaplin wrote:
>
> William Brian Jenness wrote:
> >
> > Hell we have wonderful granite below us let's start building down as
> > well as up surely we could have 100-200 stories excavated if we tried!
>
> I believe we are sitting on Ottawa formation limestone and Nepean
> sandstone for the most part; the rock in this area is almost entirely
> sedimentary, as this area was once the bottom of the Champlain Sea.
> Granite is a metamorphic rock.
We have lots of clay, too - and it's notoriously unstable.
Susan
Susan wrote:
>
> Andrew Chaplin wrote:
>
>>William Brian Jenness wrote:
>>
>>>Hell we have wonderful granite below us let's start building down as
>>>well as up surely we could have 100-200 stories excavated if we tried!
>>
>>I believe we are sitting on Ottawa formation limestone and Nepean
>>sandstone for the most part; the rock in this area is almost entirely
>>sedimentary, as this area was once the bottom of the Champlain Sea.
>>Granite is a metamorphic rock.
>
>
> We have lots of clay, too - and it's notoriously unstable.
>
> Susan
not if you bake it properly
speaking of unstable, isn't the old museum on metcalfe street on a type of
quick sand, thats what my grandparents told me, however its more like
slowsinking sand in my opinon,
"Susan" <slorden@no-spam> wrote in message
news:3F107751.578457D0@no-spam
>
>
> Andrew Chaplin wrote:
> >
> > William Brian Jenness wrote:
> > >
> > > Hell we have wonderful granite below us let's start building down as
> > > well as up surely we could have 100-200 stories excavated if we tried!
> >
> > I believe we are sitting on Ottawa formation limestone and Nepean
> > sandstone for the most part; the rock in this area is almost entirely
> > sedimentary, as this area was once the bottom of the Champlain Sea.
> > Granite is a metamorphic rock.
>
> We have lots of clay, too - and it's notoriously unstable.
>
> Susan
i thought the entrance was always upstairs and on the second floor there
"William Brian Jenness" <cr502@no-spam> wrote in message
news:betlfl$p03$1@no-spam
> voice@no-spam wrote:
> > speaking of unstable, isn't the old museum on metcalfe street on a type
of
> > quick sand, thats what my grandparents told me, however its more like
> > slowsinking sand in my opinon,
>
> I thought that was the old art gallery on Elgin. It seems to me that
> what is now the entrance was once the second floor. But you see if you
> dig deep enough you get to the bedrock and this close to the canadian
> shield it just has to be granite doesn't it?
>
voice@no-spam wrote:
> i thought the entrance was always upstairs and on the second floor there
>
> "William Brian Jenness" <cr502@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:betlfl$p03$1@no-spam
>
>>voice@no-spam wrote:
>>
>>>speaking of unstable, isn't the old museum on metcalfe street on a type
>>
> of
>
>>>quick sand, thats what my grandparents told me, however its more like
>>>slowsinking sand in my opinon,
>>
>>I thought that was the old art gallery on Elgin. It seems to me that
>>what is now the entrance was once the second floor. But you see if you
>>dig deep enough you get to the bedrock and this close to the canadian
>>shield it just has to be granite doesn't it?
>>
>
>
>
maybe but it used to be above ground level... but perhaps I am wrong
"William Brian Jenness" <cr502@no-spam> wrote in message
news:betqmg$6qe$1@no-spam
> voice@no-spam wrote:
> > i thought the entrance was always upstairs and on the second floor there
> >
> > "William Brian Jenness" <cr502@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:betlfl$p03$1@no-spam
> >
> >>voice@no-spam wrote:
> >>
> >>>speaking of unstable, isn't the old museum on metcalfe street on a
type
> >>
> > of
> >
> >>>quick sand, thats what my grandparents told me, however its more like
> >>>slowsinking sand in my opinon,
> >>
> >>I thought that was the old art gallery on Elgin. It seems to me that
> >>what is now the entrance was once the second floor. But you see if you
> >>dig deep enough you get to the bedrock and this close to the canadian
> >>shield it just has to be granite doesn't it?
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> maybe but it used to be above ground level... but perhaps I am wrong
You both are. There used to be a tower at the entrace, but the ground was
too unstable and it was removed.
I'm also old enough to remember the "sinking museum" rumours.
i bet you like the ncc's idea of ripping up metcalfe street to the queensway
and tearing down the buildings along one side to put up a lawn to gaze at
the illegal workings of the government
Jason Cormier <fjlij@no-spam> wrote in message
news:BB34DE10.52DD0%fjlij@no-spam
> On 7/11/03 21:12, in article jgJPa.10250$Ag6.905672@no-spam
> "thevoice@no-spam" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
>
> >> Dense, clustered development is the way to go but it has to go
> > hand-in-hand
> >> with generous amounts of green space or else the populace will quickly
> > flee
> >> to sprawling suburbs.
> >
> > maybe the rents inside the city would go down then hmmm they might but
who
> > knows lol
>
> I'm sure they would since a city without any significant green space in
> North America is not likely to be an attractive option for relocating
> companies or workers. Perhaps you would like Ottawa to turn into an ugly
> abomination but I suspect most people wouldn't. Besides, the cost of
living
> in Ottawa is fairly low; any comparative chart of N.A. Cities demonstrates
> this fact.
>
> P.S. How about *not* top posting?
>
voice@no-spam wrote:
>
> speaking of unstable, isn't the old museum on metcalfe street on a type of
> quick sand, thats what my grandparents told me, however its more like
> slowsinking sand in my opinon,
It's built on the alluvium that sits atop the bedrock. It is
subsiding, and the large moose mosaic (about 10 m across) that lay in
the entrance hall cracked in the 1960s as a result, IIRC. Last time I
looked, they had carpeted over the moose.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
William Brian Jenness wrote:
>
> voice@no-spam wrote:
> > speaking of unstable, isn't the old museum on metcalfe street on a type of
> > quick sand, thats what my grandparents told me, however its more like
> > slowsinking sand in my opinon,
>
> I thought that was the old art gallery on Elgin.
The Lorne Building had a host of problems as a museum building, but I
never heard that subsidence was one of them.
> It seems to me that
> what is now the entrance was once the second floor.
I was last in the building in 2000 when DND was using for the
occasional briefing. The entrance was precisely where I remember it
being when I went to the National Gallery in the 1960s.
> But you see if you
> dig deep enough you get to the bedrock and this close to the canadian
> shield it just has to be granite doesn't it?
Not in most of County Carleton, especially as you near the major water
courses. It has been more than 30 years since I looked at this so I'm
quite rusty but, IIRC, the exposed Canadian Shield crosses into
Ontario west of Pembroke and runs south and east into the Lanark/Perth
area where it forms what is known locally as "the hard rock". It
drains poorly and its network of lakes form the headwaters of the
Cataraqui and Rideau rivers. As you go north along the Rideau you
traverse an area that is both glaciated, leaving drumlins, moraines
and eskers, and a flood plain with alluvial deposits (these all have
been the basis for the local aggregates industry). These sit on
sedimentary cap rock, which sits on the bedrock. Ottawa has
significant local fault lines, at least two of which meet at Hog's
Back and which produced the cataract there. I think Chaudière Falls is
another fault.
If there is a geologist out there with straighter gen, I'd like to be
corrected. A URL for a site with local geological maps would be really
appreciated.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
what do you call the hrdc's loss of a billion dollars? if not illegal then
unethical
"Bruce Hollebone" <bonehead@no-spam> wrote in message
news:Xns93B975376DDCBboneheadontheboardwa@no-spam
> On 14 Jul 2003, A Shy Person wrote:
>
> > i bet you like the ncc's idea of ripping up metcalfe street
> > to the queensway and tearing down the buildings along one
> > side to put up a lawn to gaze at the illegal workings of
> > the government
>
> You whine now, but it probably would look really nice, were it
> ever to be built. It's a hugely expensive, impractical, and
> disruptive plan and would steal even more tax dollars from the
> city, but most people would probably like the mall, if it ever
> came into existance. It's dead in the water though, even for the
> one-block version.
>
> Also, I'm curious. How are the workings of government illegal?
> Doesn't government make the laws (or are you just trying to make
> smoke come out of all the self-aware logical computing devices
> that read the newsgroup)?
>
> --
> Kind Regards,
> Bruce.
i still don;t like the colonel by drive substitute for down town train
service to union station tell me which is uglier to a visiter coming to
ottawas capital on the train pulling into to trembley's ugly station or the
way it was before beside the canal and up to and into a fabulous station
union station
"Bruce Hollebone" <bonehead@no-spam> wrote in message
news:Xns93B975376DDCBboneheadontheboardwa@no-spam
> On 14 Jul 2003, A Shy Person wrote:
>
> > i bet you like the ncc's idea of ripping up metcalfe street
> > to the queensway and tearing down the buildings along one
> > side to put up a lawn to gaze at the illegal workings of
> > the government
>
> You whine now, but it probably would look really nice, were it
> ever to be built. It's a hugely expensive, impractical, and
> disruptive plan and would steal even more tax dollars from the
> city, but most people would probably like the mall, if it ever
> came into existance. It's dead in the water though, even for the
> one-block version.
>
> Also, I'm curious. How are the workings of government illegal?
> Doesn't government make the laws (or are you just trying to make
> smoke come out of all the self-aware logical computing devices
> that read the newsgroup)?
>
> --
> Kind Regards,
> Bruce.
"shutupandbitethattounge" <sitdown@no-spam> wrote in message
news:lUVQa.2454$eP6.438144@no-spam
> i still don;t like the colonel by drive substitute for down town train
> service to union station tell me which is uglier to a visiter coming to
> ottawas capital on the train pulling into to trembley's ugly station or
the
> way it was before beside the canal and up to and into a fabulous station
> union station
I'm sure you have a Union Station parking facility as well.
Where in Hell would you put that?
On 15 Jul 2003, Stephen Bigelow wrote:
> I'm sure you have a Union Station parking facility as well.
>
> Where in Hell would you put that?
Drain the canal, put up a parking lot.
These aren't hard questions.
Any forward thinking business-person thinks the same.
--
Kind Regards,
Bruce.
On 7/11/03 22:04, in article U0KPa.10410$Ag6.917240@no-spam
"thevoice@no-spam" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
> look what they did in the 60's took out the train from the core saying it
> was a eyesore... id rather have people get off at old union station than
> that piece of shit on trembley
While the Tremblay station is ugly as sin, the old station area was pretty
ugly, too. Pretty much a wash, IMO.
On 7/14/03 16:20, in article qbEQa.2998$104.229882@no-spam
"thevoice@no-spam" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
> i bet you like the ncc's idea of ripping up metcalfe street to the queensway
> and tearing down the buildings along one side to put up a lawn to gaze at
> the illegal workings of the government
>
> Jason Cormier <fjlij@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:BB34DE10.52DD0%fjlij@no-spam
>> On 7/11/03 21:12, in article jgJPa.10250$Ag6.905672@no-spam
>> "thevoice@no-spam" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
>>
>>>> Dense, clustered development is the way to go but it has to go
>>> hand-in-hand
>>>> with generous amounts of green space or else the populace will quickly
>>> flee
>>>> to sprawling suburbs.
>>>
>>> maybe the rents inside the city would go down then hmmm they might but
> who
>>> knows lol
>>
>> I'm sure they would since a city without any significant green space in
>> North America is not likely to be an attractive option for relocating
>> companies or workers. Perhaps you would like Ottawa to turn into an ugly
>> abomination but I suspect most people wouldn't. Besides, the cost of
> living
>> in Ottawa is fairly low; any comparative chart of N.A. Cities demonstrates
>> this fact.
>>
>> P.S. How about *not* top posting?
I bet you could really benefit from a deep breath and some medication.
On the topic of Metcalfe, while the cost makes it unfeasible, it would make
for a grand boulevard similar to what one sees in many great cities of the
world. (Winnipeg not being one of them.)
how can you call that building across from the chateau laurier ugly... it
has character... unlike its neighbor the rideau center lol
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"Jason Cormier" <fjlij@no-spam> wrote in message
news:BB40A061.55124%fjlij@no-spam
> On 7/11/03 22:04, in article U0KPa.10410$Ag6.917240@no-spam
> "thevoice@no-spam" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
>
> > look what they did in the 60's took out the train from the core saying
it
> > was a eyesore... id rather have people get off at old union station than
> > that piece of shit on trembley
>
> While the Tremblay station is ugly as sin, the old station area was pretty
> ugly, too. Pretty much a wash, IMO.
>
designing the city of ottawa should not fall to the unelected non medicated
ncc... it should fall to the city of ottawa and its taxpayers. fuck the ncc
lmfao
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"Jason Cormier" <fjlij@no-spam> wrote in message
news:BB40A12A.55126%fjlij@no-spam
> On 7/14/03 16:20, in article qbEQa.2998$104.229882@no-spam
> "thevoice@no-spam" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
>
> > i bet you like the ncc's idea of ripping up metcalfe street to the
queensway
> > and tearing down the buildings along one side to put up a lawn to gaze
at
> > the illegal workings of the government
> >
> > Jason Cormier <fjlij@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:BB34DE10.52DD0%fjlij@no-spam
> >> On 7/11/03 21:12, in article
jgJPa.10250$Ag6.905672@no-spam
> >> "thevoice@no-spam" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Dense, clustered development is the way to go but it has to go
> >>> hand-in-hand
> >>>> with generous amounts of green space or else the populace will
quickly
> >>> flee
> >>>> to sprawling suburbs.
> >>>
> >>> maybe the rents inside the city would go down then hmmm they might but
> > who
> >>> knows lol
> >>
> >> I'm sure they would since a city without any significant green space in
> >> North America is not likely to be an attractive option for relocating
> >> companies or workers. Perhaps you would like Ottawa to turn into an
ugly
> >> abomination but I suspect most people wouldn't. Besides, the cost of
> > living
> >> in Ottawa is fairly low; any comparative chart of N.A. Cities
demonstrates
> >> this fact.
> >>
> >> P.S. How about *not* top posting?
>
> I bet you could really benefit from a deep breath and some medication.
>
> On the topic of Metcalfe, while the cost makes it unfeasible, it would
make
> for a grand boulevard similar to what one sees in many great cities of the
> world. (Winnipeg not being one of them.)
>
On 7/20/03 19:54, in article RZFSa.406$Wh.135828@no-spam "Big
Bad John" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
> designing the city of ottawa should not fall to the unelected non medicated
> ncc... it should fall to the city of ottawa and its taxpayers. fuck the ncc
> lmfao
>
> --
> smiles are free.... hatred of any kind costs you your soul.
> "Jason Cormier" <fjlij@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:BB40A12A.55126%fjlij@no-spam
>> On 7/14/03 16:20, in article qbEQa.2998$104.229882@no-spam
>> "thevoice@no-spam" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
>>
>>> i bet you like the ncc's idea of ripping up metcalfe street to the
> queensway
>>> and tearing down the buildings along one side to put up a lawn to gaze
> at
>>> the illegal workings of the government
>>>
>>> Jason Cormier <fjlij@no-spam> wrote in message
>>> news:BB34DE10.52DD0%fjlij@no-spam
>>>> On 7/11/03 21:12, in article
> jgJPa.10250$Ag6.905672@no-spam
>>>> "thevoice@no-spam" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Dense, clustered development is the way to go but it has to go
>>>>> hand-in-hand
>>>>>> with generous amounts of green space or else the populace will
> quickly
>>>>> flee
>>>>>> to sprawling suburbs.
>>>>>
>>>>> maybe the rents inside the city would go down then hmmm they might but
>>> who
>>>>> knows lol
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure they would since a city without any significant green space in
>>>> North America is not likely to be an attractive option for relocating
>>>> companies or workers. Perhaps you would like Ottawa to turn into an
> ugly
>>>> abomination but I suspect most people wouldn't. Besides, the cost of
>>> living
>>>> in Ottawa is fairly low; any comparative chart of N.A. Cities
> demonstrates
>>>> this fact.
>>>>
>>>> P.S. How about *not* top posting?
>>
>> I bet you could really benefit from a deep breath and some medication.
>>
>> On the topic of Metcalfe, while the cost makes it unfeasible, it would
> make
>> for a grand boulevard similar to what one sees in many great cities of the
>> world. (Winnipeg not being one of them.)
I have news for you: Most of a city's "design" is done by unelected planning
department workers and private land developers. Do you think that the
elected council micromanages the city's growth and change? Do you really
think the city would be blessed with the large amount of green space and
water-way access we currently enjoy if not for the NCC?
either make the city of ottawa a federal district or get the federal
goverment out of the management is all i can say.
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"Jason Cormier" <fjlij@no-spam> wrote in message
news:BB40D2C8.551D9%fjlij@no-spam
> On 7/20/03 19:54, in article RZFSa.406$Wh.135828@no-spam
"Big
> Bad John" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
>
> > designing the city of ottawa should not fall to the unelected non
medicated
> > ncc... it should fall to the city of ottawa and its taxpayers. fuck the
ncc
> > lmfao
> >
> > --
> > smiles are free.... hatred of any kind costs you your soul.
> > "Jason Cormier" <fjlij@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:BB40A12A.55126%fjlij@no-spam
> >> On 7/14/03 16:20, in article
qbEQa.2998$104.229882@no-spam
> >> "thevoice@no-spam" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
> >>
> >>> i bet you like the ncc's idea of ripping up metcalfe street to the
> > queensway
> >>> and tearing down the buildings along one side to put up a lawn to gaze
> > at
> >>> the illegal workings of the government
> >>>
> >>> Jason Cormier <fjlij@no-spam> wrote in message
> >>> news:BB34DE10.52DD0%fjlij@no-spam
> >>>> On 7/11/03 21:12, in article
> > jgJPa.10250$Ag6.905672@no-spam
> >>>> "thevoice@no-spam" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Dense, clustered development is the way to go but it has to go
> >>>>> hand-in-hand
> >>>>>> with generous amounts of green space or else the populace will
> > quickly
> >>>>> flee
> >>>>>> to sprawling suburbs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> maybe the rents inside the city would go down then hmmm they might
but
> >>> who
> >>>>> knows lol
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm sure they would since a city without any significant green space
in
> >>>> North America is not likely to be an attractive option for relocating
> >>>> companies or workers. Perhaps you would like Ottawa to turn into an
> > ugly
> >>>> abomination but I suspect most people wouldn't. Besides, the cost of
> >>> living
> >>>> in Ottawa is fairly low; any comparative chart of N.A. Cities
> > demonstrates
> >>>> this fact.
> >>>>
> >>>> P.S. How about *not* top posting?
> >>
> >> I bet you could really benefit from a deep breath and some medication.
> >>
> >> On the topic of Metcalfe, while the cost makes it unfeasible, it would
> > make
> >> for a grand boulevard similar to what one sees in many great cities of
the
> >> world. (Winnipeg not being one of them.)
>
> I have news for you: Most of a city's "design" is done by unelected
planning
> department workers and private land developers. Do you think that the
> elected council micromanages the city's growth and change? Do you really
> think the city would be blessed with the large amount of green space and
> water-way access we currently enjoy if not for the NCC?
>
On 7/20/03 23:29, in article c7JSa.498$Wh.179770@no-spam "Big
Bad John" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
> the station was out of service before i was even a sperm lol 1972 here
>
>
>> Read it again...."...the old station ***area***"was pretty ugly, too."
> Ever
>> see the approach to the station from the south? If not, you have missed a
>> site that was never pretty, no matter how much nostalgia might cloud some
>> people's judgement. The building was never the issue, thus the reason it
>> still stands today.
Fair enough. Ever seen the view approaching Union Station in Toronto from
the east or west, with the rather industrial look of the multiple tracks?
Not exactly a more attractive option that what one sees at the station on
Tremblay road.
On 7/20/03 23:30, in article 58JSa.499$Wh.180038@no-spam "Big
Bad John" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
> either make the city of ottawa a federal district or get the federal
> goverment out of the management is all i can say.
>
>> I have news for you: Most of a city's "design" is done by unelected
> planning
>> department workers and private land developers. Do you think that the
>> elected council micromanages the city's growth and change? Do you really
>> think the city would be blessed with the large amount of green space and
>> water-way access we currently enjoy if not for the NCC?
Re: Federal Government removed from management of city. That's both naïve
(the city, as capital belongs to all Canadians, not just the residents) and
a potential recipe for disaster (unmitigated control of planning by city
councils of large cities rarely lead to an attractive mix of sensible land
use and ample green space.)
There are certainly merits to the idea of a separation of Ottawa/Gatineau
from Ontario and Quebec but making it a Federal District rather than a full
province is a recipe for disaster, simply because there would no longer be a
proper balance of local vs national rights. (See: Washington DC)
i am sure it couldn;t be that bad i think it must have used that old bridge
that is now used for bikes behind agonquin and snaked across over to beside
the canal and that must have been a beutiful approach
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"Jason Cormier" <fjlij@no-spam> wrote in message
news:BB417DE9.553E1%fjlij@no-spam
> On 7/20/03 23:29, in article c7JSa.498$Wh.179770@no-spam
"Big
> Bad John" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
>
> > the station was out of service before i was even a sperm lol 1972 here
> >
> >
>
> >> Read it again...."...the old station ***area***"was pretty ugly, too."
> > Ever
> >> see the approach to the station from the south? If not, you have missed
a
> >> site that was never pretty, no matter how much nostalgia might cloud
some
> >> people's judgement. The building was never the issue, thus the reason
it
> >> still stands today.
>
> Fair enough. Ever seen the view approaching Union Station in Toronto from
> the east or west, with the rather industrial look of the multiple tracks?
> Not exactly a more attractive option that what one sees at the station on
> Tremblay road.
>
On 7/21/03 12:24, in article MtUSa.1204$1I5.252367@no-spam
"Big Bad John" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
> well take the title of "capital" away from us then... i am sick of the
> federal government controlling this city like they own it.
More naiveté. If the federal government pulled out now, Ottawa would be
severely depressed, economically for at least a decade or two. After that,
it would be a middling, mid-sized North American City with little, if any
chance, of coming close to its previous level of economic activity and
quality of life.
(I hope you don't think that "Silicon Valley North" means that hi-tech will
save the city. If so, you haven't been paying attention to the changes and
regional diversification of the industry.)
What exactly bothers you so much about the Feds/NCC that it blinds you to
reality? What horrible destruction has it inflicted on the city that even
comes close to balancing the massive benefits provided?
On 7/21/03 12:22, in article 2sUSa.1203$1I5.252565@no-spam
"Big Bad John" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
> i am sure it couldn;t be that bad
It was. How can you be sure of something that you have never seen?
> i think it must have used that old bridge
> that is now used for bikes behind agonquin and snaked across over to beside
> the canal and that must have been a beutiful approach
"agonquin"?
Are you talking about the Confederation bridge that begins near the National
Gallery? Wrong direction and, IIR, wrong bridge. The mass of tracks about
which I'm talking approached from the *south*. (i.e. From the direction of
where the Queensway is currently located.
next to the queensway when it goes over the rideau river at hurdman and
"algonquin college at lees ave"
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"Jason Cormier" <fjlij@no-spam> wrote in message
news:BB419338.5541D%fjlij@no-spam
> On 7/21/03 12:22, in article 2sUSa.1203$1I5.252565@no-spam
> "Big Bad John" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
>
> > i am sure it couldn;t be that bad
>
> It was. How can you be sure of something that you have never seen?
>
> > i think it must have used that old bridge
> > that is now used for bikes behind agonquin and snaked across over to
beside
> > the canal and that must have been a beutiful approach
>
> "agonquin"?
>
> Are you talking about the Confederation bridge that begins near the
National
> Gallery? Wrong direction and, IIR, wrong bridge. The mass of tracks about
> which I'm talking approached from the *south*. (i.e. From the direction of
> where the Queensway is currently located.
>
On 7/21/03 13:35, in article UwVSa.1222$1I5.260653@no-spam
"Big Bad John" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
> next to the queensway when it goes over the rideau river at hurdman and
> "algonquin college at lees ave"
>
>
> --
> smiles are free.... hatred of any kind costs you your soul.
> "Jason Cormier" <fjlij@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:BB419338.5541D%fjlij@no-spam
>> On 7/21/03 12:22, in article 2sUSa.1203$1I5.252565@no-spam
>> "Big Bad John" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
>>
>>> i am sure it couldn;t be that bad
>>
>> It was. How can you be sure of something that you have never seen?
>>
>>> i think it must have used that old bridge
>>> that is now used for bikes behind agonquin and snaked across over to
> beside
>>> the canal and that must have been a beutiful approach
>>
>> "agonquin"?
>>
>> Are you talking about the Confederation bridge that begins near the
> National
>> Gallery? Wrong direction and, IIR, wrong bridge. The mass of tracks about
>> which I'm talking approached from the *south*. (i.e. From the direction of
>> where the Queensway is currently located.
I see. While the extremely short exposure to the trip over the river was
pleasant, it was quickly replaced by a mass of tracks as trains turned
north. Besides, you have already indicated your opinions based upon the
needs of Ottawa residents. Which is more important: a quick trip over a
narrow river or an ugly collection of tracks and an industrial feel leading
right into downtown?
i am sure the view from those tracks overlooking the canal was beautiful
Jason Cormier <fjlij@no-spam> wrote in message
news:BB430D91.559FD%fjlij@no-spam
> On 7/21/03 13:35, in article UwVSa.1222$1I5.260653@no-spam
> "Big Bad John" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
>
> > next to the queensway when it goes over the rideau river at hurdman and
> > "algonquin college at lees ave"
> >
> >
> > --
> > smiles are free.... hatred of any kind costs you your soul.
> > "Jason Cormier" <fjlij@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:BB419338.5541D%fjlij@no-spam
> >> On 7/21/03 12:22, in article
2sUSa.1203$1I5.252565@no-spam
> >> "Big Bad John" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
> >>
> >>> i am sure it couldn;t be that bad
> >>
> >> It was. How can you be sure of something that you have never seen?
> >>
> >>> i think it must have used that old bridge
> >>> that is now used for bikes behind agonquin and snaked across over to
> > beside
> >>> the canal and that must have been a beutiful approach
> >>
> >> "agonquin"?
> >>
> >> Are you talking about the Confederation bridge that begins near the
> > National
> >> Gallery? Wrong direction and, IIR, wrong bridge. The mass of tracks
about
> >> which I'm talking approached from the *south*. (i.e. From the direction
of
> >> where the Queensway is currently located.
>
> I see. While the extremely short exposure to the trip over the river was
> pleasant, it was quickly replaced by a mass of tracks as trains turned
> north. Besides, you have already indicated your opinions based upon the
> needs of Ottawa residents. Which is more important: a quick trip over a
> narrow river or an ugly collection of tracks and an industrial feel
leading
> right into downtown?
>
Op's they miscalculated, now we must be 9th
"Big Bad John" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote in message
news:E%kTa.9325$FV6.540246@no-spam
> don't forget bonuses for the people in the government that lose the most
> money
>
> Resale_Ottawa <process@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:fj2dneGX56HXOoCiXTWJjw@no-spam
> > Hmmmm, lets see, UN - parks - trains - Toronto - Calgary - Union
Station -
> > canal - the Queensway - NCC, yup eighth we are lol
> >
> >
> > "Big Bad John" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:FZgTa.8941$FV6.490473@no-spam
> > > ok the rivers and canals should fall within the feds jurisdiction but
i
> am
> > > sure those parkways would have been built by the city i think the city
> of
> > > ottawa would be better off with out the meddling of the ncc.
> > > Jason Cormier <fjlij@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > news:BB430CED.559FB%fjlij@no-spam
> > > > On 7/21/03 13:34, in article
> > OvVSa.1221$1I5.260384@no-spam
> > > > "Big Bad John" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > omg benefits like destroying lebreton flats then waiting 45 years
to
> > fix
> > > it,
> > > > > letting the old daly building rot before us. i see no friging
> benefits
> > > of
> > > > > that commision doing anything in ottawa with out voters permission
> any
> > > more.
> > > >
> > > > Another assumption about something before your time. Lebreton Flats
> had
> > > > degraded into a very rough; mostly-abandoned; quasi-slum when it was
> > > > acquired by the NCC. While their dithering on development has been
> very
> > > > frustrating, they most certainly did not make it worse. In fact,
with
> > the
> > > > current plans for major tourist attractions and, well-planned, mixed
> > > > development, they are on the right track.
> > > >
> > > > So you see no benefits? That would be the logical conclusion if one
> did
> > > not
> > > > bother to educate themselves on the issue....
> > > >
> > > > -Eastern Parkway
> > > > -Western parkway
> > > > -Colonel By Drive
> > > > -Queen Elizabeth Drive
> > > > -surrounding paths and green space for all of the above
> > > > -Gatineau Park
> > > > -prevention of massive increases in traffic emptying into
Westborough
> > > > -portions of the Byward Market
> > > > -preservation of the Rideau Locks at the Ottawa River
> > > > -national Arts Centre
> > > > -preservation of many historical buildings in the centre core
> > > > -preservation of the Confederation Bridge
> > > > -renewal of the South Nation River
> > > > -Dows Lake Pavilion
> > > > -tourist information building and plaza in front on Wellington
> > > >
> > > > All of the above would not exist or not exist in their advanced
forms
> if
> > > not
> > > > for the involvement of the NCC; most of them due solely to the NCC.
> > There
> > > > are many other examples, too.
> > > >
> > > > The organisation needs to be opened up more and they have made some
> poor
> > > > choices (Daly and delays in Lebreton Flats being the most
significant)
> > but
> > > > Ottawa is a better place with its mandate to preserve Ottawa's
history
> > and
> > > > green space and to control development of federal lands.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
On 7/22/03 16:18, in article FZgTa.8941$FV6.490473@no-spam
"Big Bad John" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
> ok the rivers and canals should fall within the feds jurisdiction but i am
> sure those parkways would have been built by the city
Unlikely. The city never seemed inclined to do so and it took some land
swapping that was initiated by the NCC in order to complete the parkways and
the adjacent green space corridors.
>i think the city of
> ottawa would be better off with out the meddling of the ncc.
You still have not explained how the city would be better off; you just keep
making (mostly baseless) assumptions.
On 7/22/03 16:19, in article M_gTa.8944$FV6.491180@no-spam
"Big Bad John" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
> i am sure the view from those tracks overlooking the canal was beautiful
I'm sure it was for the few seconds it took for the train to pass by.
However, that's not the location about which I'm talking. We're talking the
view of the side of the canal, beginning from where the Queensway currently
runs. It was incredibly ugly and fairly polluted, too.
its still ugly.with the nicolas off ramp, transitway and colonel by drive 8
lanes of hardtop replaced 4 or so tracks
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"Jason Cormier" <fjlij@no-spam> wrote in message
news:BB4D6D4B.57CCB%fjlij@no-spam
> On 7/22/03 16:19, in article M_gTa.8944$FV6.491180@no-spam
> "Big Bad John" <thevoice@no-spam> wrote:
>
> > i am sure the view from those tracks overlooking the canal was beautiful
>
> I'm sure it was for the few seconds it took for the train to pass by.
> However, that's not the location about which I'm talking. We're talking
the
> view of the side of the canal, beginning from where the Queensway
currently
> runs. It was incredibly ugly and fairly polluted, too.
>