A few years ago I had the pleasure of entertaining an OPP officer in
Orillia to the speed of $285.00. I was in fact speeding and he didn't
drop it a bit for me. So I guess all I can say is "What exactly did it
say on the big red sign in front of you at the intersection?" Every
news broadcast for the past week has included a warning from all the
police forces that they were going to be blitzing this holiday weekend.
I sympathize with you because most times you would have got away with
it but they have been warning us and it appears they meant it. The rest
of us are now warned at your expense. Thank You. Mr Ed.
Dave Walker wrote:
> so needless to say, I have a fresh new rant, not even 20 minutes old (at
> the time of me STARTING to post this, which may take QUITE A WHILE given
> how pissed off I am about it ...) !!
>
> I am going down Bank, there's brutal road construction on it, so I get off
> onto Sunnyside, heading towards Bronson where I live. If you have been
> down that road, you know there is about 536 stupid 4-way stop signs, ...
> and there is no actual traffic that EVER comes from those side streets, ...
> as
>
> I have ridden them for basicly all the 3 years i've lived here, and have
> NEVER (to the BEST of my memory) seen anybody that wasn't just driving in
> the East/West direction like myself...
>
> SO Anyways, I get to one of the FOUR WAY STOPSIGNS, and at approximately
> 3km/h, proceed without coming to a complete stop.
>
> That cost me $110.
>
> what a piece of shit fine that is and you bet your ass I'm going to fight
> it ...
>
> I haven't seen much bitching here on the NG about fines, so either I'm out
> of line, or I assume you guys have been lucky ...
>
> I asked the cop if I will likely see my insurance go up, and he says "well,
> I'm not going to call your insurance company, and so I suggest you don't
> either" ... "I don't tell my insurance company about mine ..."
>
> The main thing that pisses me off, is that when I drive a motorbike, and
> it's not even new, or shiny, or doing over the speed limit ... I get PULLED
> OVER, yet, when the cop has NO PROBLEMS letting DOZENS of other
> NON-Motorcyclists do the EXACT SAME THING as me, even just at the SAME
> CORNER he pulled me over at (but AFTER he made his left turn and was on his
> way) ...
>
> What a bunch of shit this is ... I've never had to deal with something REAL
> to complain about, like racism, or sexism ...but this is probly the closest
> thing i can think of!!!
>
> the fact that I LOSE the benefit of the doubt by driving a motorcycle is
> extremely OUTRAGEOUS to me ...
>
> My apologies in advance (for the profanity'izm), but I had to get that shit
> off my chest :(
>
>
On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 00:11:11 GMT, "Dave Walker" <rongant@no-spam>
wrote:
Ya, I empathize with you....Whenever I cross paths with a cop car, I
feel the old "evil-eye" on me. What the cop said "well,
I'm not going to call your insurance company, and so I suggest you
don't either" ... "I don't tell my insurance company about mine ..."
is a load of crap....Insurance companies routinely check on their
clients on the MTO system....this is one of the things you agreed to
when you purchased your insurance. In Quebec, the insurance co has to
get written permission from you before they can check your driving
record. Go to court and you may be lucky and the cop won't show up and
you won't even have to fight it....only hassle is you loose a days
work or holiday but I think it may be a point or 2 for a rolling stop
these days and all you need is another and you are in the "high risk"
category.
>so needless to say, I have a fresh new rant, not even 20 minutes old (at
>the time of me STARTING to post this, which may take QUITE A WHILE given
>how pissed off I am about it ...) !!
>
>I am going down Bank, there's brutal road construction on it, so I get off
>onto Sunnyside, heading towards Bronson where I live. If you have been
>down that road, you know there is about 536 stupid 4-way stop signs, ...
>and there is no actual traffic that EVER comes from those side streets, ...
>as
>
>I have ridden them for basicly all the 3 years i've lived here, and have
>NEVER (to the BEST of my memory) seen anybody that wasn't just driving in
>the East/West direction like myself...
>
>SO Anyways, I get to one of the FOUR WAY STOPSIGNS, and at approximately
>3km/h, proceed without coming to a complete stop.
>
>That cost me $110.
>
>what a piece of shit fine that is and you bet your ass I'm going to fight
>it ...
>
>I haven't seen much bitching here on the NG about fines, so either I'm out
>of line, or I assume you guys have been lucky ...
>
>I asked the cop if I will likely see my insurance go up, and he says "well,
>I'm not going to call your insurance company, and so I suggest you don't
>either" ... "I don't tell my insurance company about mine ..."
>
>The main thing that pisses me off, is that when I drive a motorbike, and
>it's not even new, or shiny, or doing over the speed limit ... I get PULLED
>OVER, yet, when the cop has NO PROBLEMS letting DOZENS of other
>NON-Motorcyclists do the EXACT SAME THING as me, even just at the SAME
>CORNER he pulled me over at (but AFTER he made his left turn and was on his
>way) ...
>
>What a bunch of shit this is ... I've never had to deal with something REAL
>to complain about, like racism, or sexism ...but this is probly the closest
>thing i can think of!!!
>
> the fact that I LOSE the benefit of the doubt by driving a motorcycle is
>extremely OUTRAGEOUS to me ...
>
>My apologies in advance (for the profanity'izm), but I had to get that shit
>off my chest :(
That sux, BUT, they have been warning of a blitz, I got pulled over the
other day for talking on my 2way radio! The cop wanted to know what I was
doing, then lectured me about how I incurred a half dozen traffic violations
(????) obviously not bad enough to warrant a ticket, and sent me on my way.
--
Tom B
"Dave Walker" <rongant@no-spam> wrote in message
news:zk4Ma.24691$2ay.19469@no-spam
> so needless to say, I have a fresh new rant, not even 20 minutes old (at
> the time of me STARTING to post this, which may take QUITE A WHILE given
> how pissed off I am about it ...) !!
>
> I am going down Bank, there's brutal road construction on it, so I get off
> onto Sunnyside, heading towards Bronson where I live. If you have been
> down that road, you know there is about 536 stupid 4-way stop signs, ...
> and there is no actual traffic that EVER comes from those side streets,
...
> as
>
> I have ridden them for basicly all the 3 years i've lived here, and have
> NEVER (to the BEST of my memory) seen anybody that wasn't just driving in
> the East/West direction like myself...
>
> SO Anyways, I get to one of the FOUR WAY STOPSIGNS, and at approximately
> 3km/h, proceed without coming to a complete stop.
>
> That cost me $110.
>
> what a piece of shit fine that is and you bet your ass I'm going to fight
> it ...
>
> I haven't seen much bitching here on the NG about fines, so either I'm out
> of line, or I assume you guys have been lucky ...
>
> I asked the cop if I will likely see my insurance go up, and he says
"well,
> I'm not going to call your insurance company, and so I suggest you don't
> either" ... "I don't tell my insurance company about mine ..."
>
> The main thing that pisses me off, is that when I drive a motorbike, and
> it's not even new, or shiny, or doing over the speed limit ... I get
PULLED
> OVER, yet, when the cop has NO PROBLEMS letting DOZENS of other
> NON-Motorcyclists do the EXACT SAME THING as me, even just at the SAME
> CORNER he pulled me over at (but AFTER he made his left turn and was on
his
> way) ...
>
> What a bunch of shit this is ... I've never had to deal with something
REAL
> to complain about, like racism, or sexism ...but this is probly the
closest
> thing i can think of!!!
>
> the fact that I LOSE the benefit of the doubt by driving a motorcycle is
> extremely OUTRAGEOUS to me ...
>
> My apologies in advance (for the profanity'izm), but I had to get that
shit
> off my chest :(
>
>
> --
> Dave
> 86 GS750es
>
>
>
>
if i read it right you did "not stop at the sign" if you had
stopped then this thread would not be here .... and the law is "stop
" not slow down just my 2 cents ( dont bite my head off )
but seriously ... how random is this safety blitz if they target harmless
motorcycle infractions?
--
Dave
86 GS750es
"Mr Ed" <someone@no-spam> wrote in message
news:3F00D40A.9050204@no-spam
> A few years ago I had the pleasure of entertaining an OPP officer in
> Orillia to the speed of $285.00. I was in fact speeding and he didn't
> drop it a bit for me. So I guess all I can say is "What exactly did it
> say on the big red sign in front of you at the intersection?" Every
> news broadcast for the past week has included a warning from all the
> police forces that they were going to be blitzing this holiday weekend.
> I sympathize with you because most times you would have got away with
> it but they have been warning us and it appears they meant it. The rest
> of us are now warned at your expense. Thank You. Mr Ed.
>
> Dave Walker wrote:
> > so needless to say, I have a fresh new rant, not even 20 minutes old
(at
> > the time of me STARTING to post this, which may take QUITE A WHILE
given
> > how pissed off I am about it ...) !!
> >
> > I am going down Bank, there's brutal road construction on it, so I get
off
> > onto Sunnyside, heading towards Bronson where I live. If you have been
> > down that road, you know there is about 536 stupid 4-way stop signs,
...
> > and there is no actual traffic that EVER comes from those side streets,
...
> > as
> >
> > I have ridden them for basicly all the 3 years i've lived here, and
have
> > NEVER (to the BEST of my memory) seen anybody that wasn't just driving
in
> > the East/West direction like myself...
> >
> > SO Anyways, I get to one of the FOUR WAY STOPSIGNS, and at
approximately
> > 3km/h, proceed without coming to a complete stop.
> >
> > That cost me $110.
> >
> > what a piece of shit fine that is and you bet your ass I'm going to
fight
> > it ...
> >
> > I haven't seen much bitching here on the NG about fines, so either I'm
out
> > of line, or I assume you guys have been lucky ...
> >
> > I asked the cop if I will likely see my insurance go up, and he says
"well,
> > I'm not going to call your insurance company, and so I suggest you
don't
> > either" ... "I don't tell my insurance company about mine ..."
> >
> > The main thing that pisses me off, is that when I drive a motorbike,
and
> > it's not even new, or shiny, or doing over the speed limit ... I get
PULLED
> > OVER, yet, when the cop has NO PROBLEMS letting DOZENS of other
> > NON-Motorcyclists do the EXACT SAME THING as me, even just at the SAME
> > CORNER he pulled me over at (but AFTER he made his left turn and was on
his
> > way) ...
> >
> > What a bunch of shit this is ... I've never had to deal with something
REAL
> > to complain about, like racism, or sexism ...but this is probly the
closest
> > thing i can think of!!!
> >
> > the fact that I LOSE the benefit of the doubt by driving a motorcycle
is
> > extremely OUTRAGEOUS to me ...
> >
> > My apologies in advance (for the profanity'izm), but I had to get that
shit
> > off my chest :(
> >
> >
>
let me preface my remarks by saying I'm glad you included the final few
words there, or else I would be a bit more (is it possible?) pissed off ...
let me just say, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...
--
Dave
86 GS750es
"winger" <gtlab(remove)@no-spam> wrote in message
news:Q%5Ma.918$Gf3.3095@no-spam
> if i read it right you did "not stop at the sign" if you had
> stopped then this thread would not be here .... and the law is
"stop
> " not slow down just my 2 cents ( dont bite my head off )
>
>
(and don't give a shit about people in cars doing the exact same thing just
40 feet away from the scene...)
--
Dave
86 GS750es
"Dave Walker" <rongant@no-spam> wrote in message
news:rH6Ma.26378$2ay.10397@no-spam
> but seriously ... how random is this safety blitz if they target harmless
> motorcycle infractions?
>
>
>
> --
> Dave
> 86 GS750es
>
>
>
> "Mr Ed" <someone@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:3F00D40A.9050204@no-spam
> > A few years ago I had the pleasure of entertaining an OPP officer in
> > Orillia to the speed of $285.00. I was in fact speeding and he didn't
> > drop it a bit for me. So I guess all I can say is "What exactly did it
> > say on the big red sign in front of you at the intersection?" Every
> > news broadcast for the past week has included a warning from all the
> > police forces that they were going to be blitzing this holiday weekend.
> > I sympathize with you because most times you would have got away with
> > it but they have been warning us and it appears they meant it. The
rest
> > of us are now warned at your expense. Thank You. Mr Ed.
> >
> > Dave Walker wrote:
> > > so needless to say, I have a fresh new rant, not even 20 minutes old
> (at
> > > the time of me STARTING to post this, which may take QUITE A WHILE
> given
> > > how pissed off I am about it ...) !!
> > >
> > > I am going down Bank, there's brutal road construction on it, so I
get
> off
> > > onto Sunnyside, heading towards Bronson where I live. If you have
been
> > > down that road, you know there is about 536 stupid 4-way stop signs,
> ...
> > > and there is no actual traffic that EVER comes from those side
streets,
> ...
> > > as
> > >
> > > I have ridden them for basicly all the 3 years i've lived here, and
> have
> > > NEVER (to the BEST of my memory) seen anybody that wasn't just
driving
> in
> > > the East/West direction like myself...
> > >
> > > SO Anyways, I get to one of the FOUR WAY STOPSIGNS, and at
> approximately
> > > 3km/h, proceed without coming to a complete stop.
> > >
> > > That cost me $110.
> > >
> > > what a piece of shit fine that is and you bet your ass I'm going to
> fight
> > > it ...
> > >
> > > I haven't seen much bitching here on the NG about fines, so either
I'm
> out
> > > of line, or I assume you guys have been lucky ...
> > >
> > > I asked the cop if I will likely see my insurance go up, and he says
> "well,
> > > I'm not going to call your insurance company, and so I suggest you
> don't
> > > either" ... "I don't tell my insurance company about mine ..."
> > >
> > > The main thing that pisses me off, is that when I drive a motorbike,
> and
> > > it's not even new, or shiny, or doing over the speed limit ... I get
> PULLED
> > > OVER, yet, when the cop has NO PROBLEMS letting DOZENS of other
> > > NON-Motorcyclists do the EXACT SAME THING as me, even just at the
SAME
> > > CORNER he pulled me over at (but AFTER he made his left turn and was
on
> his
> > > way) ...
> > >
> > > What a bunch of shit this is ... I've never had to deal with
something
> REAL
> > > to complain about, like racism, or sexism ...but this is probly the
> closest
> > > thing i can think of!!!
> > >
> > > the fact that I LOSE the benefit of the doubt by driving a
motorcycle
> is
> > > extremely OUTRAGEOUS to me ...
> > >
> > > My apologies in advance (for the profanity'izm), but I had to get
that
> shit
> > > off my chest :(
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
F*CK THA POLICE, F*CK F*CK F*CK THA POLICE!!!!
I got a ticket 3 yrs. ago for avoiding an accident on the queensway in my
cage. Dumbass driver in front of me decides to mash the brakes in the
offramp lane to moodie, Kanata assH*LE (I live here don't be offended)
decided the lane was moving fast enough to get to Kanata so he decides to
cause an almost accident. To avoid him I swerv into the bus lane, blow by
him, and pull back in. Cop pulls me over and says he saw me pass several
vehicles in the bus lane. I'm like "guy, I just avoided an accident and now
you want to ticket me?" Anyways I fight it and show up to court 2 months
later. I explain to the judge that I was avoiding an accident and the copper
was full of sh*t. Judge tells me I should have left 10 car spaces between me
and the car in front and that the cops are always right. I got out of the
courtroom and copper is waiting outside. I said to him "you know I was
avoiding an accident", cop says "I know you were, but that's life" I had a
few choice words at that moment but I bit my tongue. Next time someone jams
on the brakes in front of me on the moodie drive offramp, they will be have
my front bumper in their rear window, I guarantee it. Good luck fighting it,
cops and judges are always right, unless your on welfare, then they let you
off. (let the bum off who was before me in court cause he was a welfarian
driving with no license and 10 outstanding fines)
"Dave Walker" <rongant@no-spam> wrote in message
news:wJ6Ma.26400$2ay.6934@no-spam
> let me preface my remarks by saying I'm glad you included the final few
> words there, or else I would be a bit more (is it possible?) pissed off
...
>
> let me just say, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...
>
> --
> Dave
> 86 GS750es
>
>
>
> "winger" <gtlab(remove)@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:Q%5Ma.918$Gf3.3095@no-spam
> > if i read it right you did "not stop at the sign" if you had
> > stopped then this thread would not be here .... and the law is
> "stop
> > " not slow down just my 2 cents ( dont bite my head off )
> >
> >
>
>
well, it would seem that you see the glass as half empty mr ed...
he said he was just following a guy ... and the guy in front made an
irrational decision to brake in a manner that was unsafe at highway speeds
(from what I interpreted ...)
an offramp is for just that ... decellerating ... that's NOT the way to do
it when you're in the slow lane that eventually turns into the offramp ...
i'm not 100% sure on this, as i don't know you, but most people will
maintain a fairly consistent spacing between cars that will vary from day
to day, depending on the density of traffic basicly ...if there's not a lot
of cars on the road, you probably aren't going to see a tail gater ...
BUT, when you have a LOT of cars, the spacing between them is just
naturally going to be smaller ... to the point where it would be the same
distance that you'd normally call a tailgater ...
I think it is unfair in this case for the judge to just say "you should
have been 10 cars back", because you could almost argue that you would
never get to where you're going if you have to lay off the gas say 10%
every time somebody else passes you... (of course this is hypothetical, but
true...)
(much like how if you have a distance of point A to point B, and jump half
way each time, you will never really get there ...)
if the cop is saying you passed the vehicles in the bus lane, but the judge
said "you were driving too close", ... aren't those two totally different
infractions?
you should'a checked out one of those agencies that claims they'll win the
case, or you don't pay...
If I recall in my driving manual (from 10 friggin years ago)... you must do
whatever is in your power (within reason) to avoid an accident...though
details are sketchy on this one...
anyways, i"m tired as shit
basicly, if you're not doing something that's dangerous, but get a ticket
for doing it, when in reality you're avoiding somebody ELSE that's driving
dangerously, (which can be done fastly as WELL as slowly ...)... it's a
crock of shit to catch heat for it ...
g'nite!
--
Dave
86 GS750es
"Mr Ed" <someone@no-spam> wrote in message
news:3F01276E.4000400@no-spam
> Let me see if I have this right ..... The car in front of you is an
> a**hole, you were not driving aggressively, all the other cars around
> you were in your way, the cop picked you out of the bunch because you
> were the only one doing everything right and he doesn't like you
> specifically..... I think I understand now....
>
> Mustangbrad wrote:
> > F*CK THA POLICE, F*CK F*CK F*CK THA POLICE!!!!
> >
> > I got a ticket 3 yrs. ago for avoiding an accident on the queensway in
my
> > cage. Dumbass driver in front of me decides to mash the brakes in the
> > offramp lane to moodie, Kanata assH*LE (I live here don't be offended)
> > decided the lane was moving fast enough to get to Kanata so he decides
to
> > cause an almost accident. To avoid him I swerv into the bus lane, blow
by
> > him, and pull back in. Cop pulls me over and says he saw me pass
several
> > vehicles in the bus lane. I'm like "guy, I just avoided an accident and
now
> > you want to ticket me?" Anyways I fight it and show up to court 2
months
> > later. I explain to the judge that I was avoiding an accident and the
copper
> > was full of sh*t. Judge tells me I should have left 10 car spaces
between me
> > and the car in front and that the cops are always right. I got out of
the
> > courtroom and copper is waiting outside. I said to him "you know I was
> > avoiding an accident", cop says "I know you were, but that's life" I
had a
> > few choice words at that moment but I bit my tongue. Next time someone
jams
> > on the brakes in front of me on the moodie drive offramp, they will be
have
> > my front bumper in their rear window, I guarantee it. Good luck
fighting it,
> > cops and judges are always right, unless your on welfare, then they let
you
> > off. (let the bum off who was before me in court cause he was a
welfarian
> > driving with no license and 10 outstanding fines)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Dave Walker" <rongant@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:wJ6Ma.26400$2ay.6934@no-spam
> >
> >>let me preface my remarks by saying I'm glad you included the final few
> >>words there, or else I would be a bit more (is it possible?) pissed off
> >
> > ...
> >
> >>let me just say, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw
stones...
> >>
> >>--
> >>Dave
> >>86 GS750es
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>"winger" <gtlab(remove)@no-spam> wrote in message
> >>news:Q%5Ma.918$Gf3.3095@no-spam
> >>
> >>>if i read it right you did "not stop at the sign" if you had
> >>>stopped then this thread would not be here .... and the law is
> >>
> >>"stop
> >>
> >>>" not slow down just my 2 cents ( dont bite my head off )
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
well,... I mean i'm not gonna deny at least, that I've been guilty of
trying harder than I should have to beat a red ... that's definitely
something I could see deserving a ticket for some time maybe ...
but on sunnyside? a completely residential street, with 4-way stops all
over the friggin place ... i've never seen anybody come off one of the side
streets ... so the fact that I didn't quite stop just doesn't seem like
that much of a DANGEROUS crime...
to be honest, I can see as much danger from that as from doing 53km/h in a
50km/h zone ...
has anybody ever received a ticket for that?
if not ... why is their room for cops to negotiate on what they deem to be
speeding, but not what they deem to be a stop?
seems pretty cut & dry to me ...
you're either doing the speed limit or you're speeding,...
you're either stopping at the sign, or you're not fully stopping...
--
Dave
86 GS750es
"Paul Woodward" <woodwardpg@no-spam> wrote in message
news:cIeMa.31767$104.354827@no-spam
> I agree. I moved here over 5 years ago from Vancouver. Now drivers
there
> have their own problems at least on a par with those here. Soo don't
flame
> me for what I am about to say.
> I have never seen a place where people routinely blow more red lights
than
> this city. In the course of a day I witness at least 10-15 people who
> seriously tromp the accelerator or just keep rolling on through. They
hit
> these intersections with the lights already red. I am not just pointing
the
> finger at our four wheeled friends many motorcycles too. This combined
with
> the what seems to be a complete lack of knowledge about turning onto
> multilane streets (when you turn right stay in the right lane and vica
> versa) makes the surface streets pretty much a dangerous place.
> Given that I don't trust anyone else to stop I always do. I just make it
a
> habit. Stop sign=stop. Not trying to be holier than thou just thinking
of
> it as life preserving.
> Speaking of the cops, I got pulled over last summer. I was stopped
because
> the bungee net on my seat was coming loose and the cop was afraid it
might
> go into the wheel. There I am stopped, D&D pipes gleaming (and not very
> quiet) he looks at them and asks if they are for race only applications.
> My only response was I bought them from a dealer when I bought the bike
and
> specifically asked for street pipes. He grins and says okay, have a good
> ride. I thanked him for taking the time to warn me about the situation
with
> the bungee net. This has been my only experience with the police with
the
> exception of the great bunch who come out and help with the Ride for Dad
> each year.
>
> My 2 cents
> Paul
> VTR
> "zeek" <zeek_97xx@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:b756809f.0307010211.52df1ea1@no-spam
> > Hmmm... (flame resistant gear on) Given how many bikes get taken out
> > by cagers blowing stop signs and lights I would have thought there'd
> > be some understanding of the concept. Just when I think the planets
> > have aligned... Put a foot down and keep your $110. Sounds
> > reasonable to me.
> >
> > Just a thought,
> >
> > Zeek
>
>
i think what you all have to realize is that(regardless of the specific
charge) the police services board was given clear direction as a result of a
public survey: "they want more traffice enforcement" The police service
will be increasing their traffic squad by up to 18 members !!!! Forget
about increasing regular patrol officers, lets hammer out the tics because
a percentage of that revenue is given back to the city from the city. It
has nothing to do with enforcement and everything to do with cash !!!
"Mr Ed" <someone@no-spam> wrote in message
news:3F00D40A.9050204@no-spam
> A few years ago I had the pleasure of entertaining an OPP officer in
> Orillia to the speed of $285.00. I was in fact speeding and he didn't
> drop it a bit for me. So I guess all I can say is "What exactly did it
> say on the big red sign in front of you at the intersection?" Every
> news broadcast for the past week has included a warning from all the
> police forces that they were going to be blitzing this holiday weekend.
> I sympathize with you because most times you would have got away with
> it but they have been warning us and it appears they meant it. The rest
> of us are now warned at your expense. Thank You. Mr Ed.
>
> Dave Walker wrote:
> > so needless to say, I have a fresh new rant, not even 20 minutes old (at
> > the time of me STARTING to post this, which may take QUITE A WHILE given
> > how pissed off I am about it ...) !!
> >
> > I am going down Bank, there's brutal road construction on it, so I get
off
> > onto Sunnyside, heading towards Bronson where I live. If you have been
> > down that road, you know there is about 536 stupid 4-way stop signs, ...
> > and there is no actual traffic that EVER comes from those side streets,
...
> > as
> >
> > I have ridden them for basicly all the 3 years i've lived here, and have
> > NEVER (to the BEST of my memory) seen anybody that wasn't just driving
in
> > the East/West direction like myself...
> >
> > SO Anyways, I get to one of the FOUR WAY STOPSIGNS, and at approximately
> > 3km/h, proceed without coming to a complete stop.
> >
> > That cost me $110.
> >
> > what a piece of shit fine that is and you bet your ass I'm going to
fight
> > it ...
> >
> > I haven't seen much bitching here on the NG about fines, so either I'm
out
> > of line, or I assume you guys have been lucky ...
> >
> > I asked the cop if I will likely see my insurance go up, and he says
"well,
> > I'm not going to call your insurance company, and so I suggest you don't
> > either" ... "I don't tell my insurance company about mine ..."
> >
> > The main thing that pisses me off, is that when I drive a motorbike, and
> > it's not even new, or shiny, or doing over the speed limit ... I get
PULLED
> > OVER, yet, when the cop has NO PROBLEMS letting DOZENS of other
> > NON-Motorcyclists do the EXACT SAME THING as me, even just at the SAME
> > CORNER he pulled me over at (but AFTER he made his left turn and was on
his
> > way) ...
> >
> > What a bunch of shit this is ... I've never had to deal with something
REAL
> > to complain about, like racism, or sexism ...but this is probly the
closest
> > thing i can think of!!!
> >
> > the fact that I LOSE the benefit of the doubt by driving a motorcycle
is
> > extremely OUTRAGEOUS to me ...
> >
> > My apologies in advance (for the profanity'izm), but I had to get that
shit
> > off my chest :(
> >
> >
>
Crap..... Tell that to an officer that has just finished collecting
little pieces of teenage flesh from the ditch after they were cut off by
an aggressive driver that felt they were in his way.
Norm wrote:
> i think what you all have to realize is that(regardless of the specific
> charge) the police services board was given clear direction as a result of a
> public survey: "they want more traffice enforcement" The police service
> will be increasing their traffic squad by up to 18 members !!!! Forget
> about increasing regular patrol officers, lets hammer out the tics because
> a percentage of that revenue is given back to the city from the city. It
> has nothing to do with enforcement and everything to do with cash !!!
> "Mr Ed" <someone@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:3F00D40A.9050204@no-spam
>
>>A few years ago I had the pleasure of entertaining an OPP officer in
>>Orillia to the speed of $285.00. I was in fact speeding and he didn't
>>drop it a bit for me. So I guess all I can say is "What exactly did it
>>say on the big red sign in front of you at the intersection?" Every
>>news broadcast for the past week has included a warning from all the
>>police forces that they were going to be blitzing this holiday weekend.
>> I sympathize with you because most times you would have got away with
>>it but they have been warning us and it appears they meant it. The rest
>>of us are now warned at your expense. Thank You. Mr Ed.
>>
>>Dave Walker wrote:
>>
>>>so needless to say, I have a fresh new rant, not even 20 minutes old (at
>>>the time of me STARTING to post this, which may take QUITE A WHILE given
>>>how pissed off I am about it ...) !!
>>>
>>>I am going down Bank, there's brutal road construction on it, so I get
>>
> off
>
>>>onto Sunnyside, heading towards Bronson where I live. If you have been
>>>down that road, you know there is about 536 stupid 4-way stop signs, ...
>>>and there is no actual traffic that EVER comes from those side streets,
>>
> ...
>
>>>as
>>>
>>>I have ridden them for basicly all the 3 years i've lived here, and have
>>>NEVER (to the BEST of my memory) seen anybody that wasn't just driving
>>
> in
>
>>>the East/West direction like myself...
>>>
>>>SO Anyways, I get to one of the FOUR WAY STOPSIGNS, and at approximately
>>>3km/h, proceed without coming to a complete stop.
>>>
>>>That cost me $110.
>>>
>>>what a piece of shit fine that is and you bet your ass I'm going to
>>
> fight
>
>>>it ...
>>>
>>>I haven't seen much bitching here on the NG about fines, so either I'm
>>
> out
>
>>>of line, or I assume you guys have been lucky ...
>>>
>>>I asked the cop if I will likely see my insurance go up, and he says
>>
> "well,
>
>>>I'm not going to call your insurance company, and so I suggest you don't
>>>either" ... "I don't tell my insurance company about mine ..."
>>>
>>>The main thing that pisses me off, is that when I drive a motorbike, and
>>>it's not even new, or shiny, or doing over the speed limit ... I get
>>
> PULLED
>
>>>OVER, yet, when the cop has NO PROBLEMS letting DOZENS of other
>>>NON-Motorcyclists do the EXACT SAME THING as me, even just at the SAME
>>>CORNER he pulled me over at (but AFTER he made his left turn and was on
>>
> his
>
>>>way) ...
>>>
>>>What a bunch of shit this is ... I've never had to deal with something
>>
> REAL
>
>>>to complain about, like racism, or sexism ...but this is probly the
>>
> closest
>
>>>thing i can think of!!!
>>>
>>> the fact that I LOSE the benefit of the doubt by driving a motorcycle
>>
> is
>
>>>extremely OUTRAGEOUS to me ...
>>>
>>>My apologies in advance (for the profanity'izm), but I had to get that
>>
> shit
>
>>>off my chest :(
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
well Dave consider the pedestrian crossing the walkway without looking (not
a stretch by any means) pushing their kid in a stroller...that's why
Sunnyside and streets like it are being watched.
--
Tom B
"Dave Walker" <rongant@no-spam> wrote in message
news:RyfMa.20555$a51.12612@no-spam
> well,... I mean i'm not gonna deny at least, that I've been guilty of
> trying harder than I should have to beat a red ... that's definitely
> something I could see deserving a ticket for some time maybe ...
>
> but on sunnyside? a completely residential street, with 4-way stops all
> over the friggin place ... i've never seen anybody come off one of the
side
> streets ... so the fact that I didn't quite stop just doesn't seem like
> that much of a DANGEROUS crime...
>
> to be honest, I can see as much danger from that as from doing 53km/h in a
> 50km/h zone ...
> has anybody ever received a ticket for that?
>
> if not ... why is their room for cops to negotiate on what they deem to be
> speeding, but not what they deem to be a stop?
>
> seems pretty cut & dry to me ...
> you're either doing the speed limit or you're speeding,...
> you're either stopping at the sign, or you're not fully stopping...
>
>
> --
> Dave
> 86 GS750es
>
>
>
> "Paul Woodward" <woodwardpg@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:cIeMa.31767$104.354827@no-spam
> > I agree. I moved here over 5 years ago from Vancouver. Now drivers
> there
> > have their own problems at least on a par with those here. Soo don't
> flame
> > me for what I am about to say.
> > I have never seen a place where people routinely blow more red lights
> than
> > this city. In the course of a day I witness at least 10-15 people who
> > seriously tromp the accelerator or just keep rolling on through. They
> hit
> > these intersections with the lights already red. I am not just pointing
> the
> > finger at our four wheeled friends many motorcycles too. This combined
> with
> > the what seems to be a complete lack of knowledge about turning onto
> > multilane streets (when you turn right stay in the right lane and vica
> > versa) makes the surface streets pretty much a dangerous place.
> > Given that I don't trust anyone else to stop I always do. I just make
it
> a
> > habit. Stop sign=stop. Not trying to be holier than thou just thinking
> of
> > it as life preserving.
> > Speaking of the cops, I got pulled over last summer. I was stopped
> because
> > the bungee net on my seat was coming loose and the cop was afraid it
> might
> > go into the wheel. There I am stopped, D&D pipes gleaming (and not very
> > quiet) he looks at them and asks if they are for race only
applications.
> > My only response was I bought them from a dealer when I bought the bike
> and
> > specifically asked for street pipes. He grins and says okay, have a
good
> > ride. I thanked him for taking the time to warn me about the situation
> with
> > the bungee net. This has been my only experience with the police with
> the
> > exception of the great bunch who come out and help with the Ride for Dad
> > each year.
> >
> > My 2 cents
> > Paul
> > VTR
> > "zeek" <zeek_97xx@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:b756809f.0307010211.52df1ea1@no-spam
> > > Hmmm... (flame resistant gear on) Given how many bikes get taken out
> > > by cagers blowing stop signs and lights I would have thought there'd
> > > be some understanding of the concept. Just when I think the planets
> > > have aligned... Put a foot down and keep your $110. Sounds
> > > reasonable to me.
> > >
> > > Just a thought,
> > >
> > > Zeek
> >
> >
>
>
As a motorcyclist I consider people who run stop signs my main enemy.
Regardless of the vehicle they are driving.
b
"Dave Walker" <rongant@no-spam> wrote in message
news:4N6Ma.26437$2ay.17910@no-spam
> (and don't give a shit about people in cars doing the exact same thing
just
> 40 feet away from the scene...)
>
> --
> Dave
> 86 GS750es
>
>
>
> "Dave Walker" <rongant@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:rH6Ma.26378$2ay.10397@no-spam
> > but seriously ... how random is this safety blitz if they target
harmless
> > motorcycle infractions?
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dave
> > 86 GS750es
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mr Ed" <someone@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:3F00D40A.9050204@no-spam
> > > A few years ago I had the pleasure of entertaining an OPP officer in
> > > Orillia to the speed of $285.00. I was in fact speeding and he didn't
> > > drop it a bit for me. So I guess all I can say is "What exactly did
it
> > > say on the big red sign in front of you at the intersection?" Every
> > > news broadcast for the past week has included a warning from all the
> > > police forces that they were going to be blitzing this holiday
weekend.
> > > I sympathize with you because most times you would have got away
with
> > > it but they have been warning us and it appears they meant it. The
> rest
> > > of us are now warned at your expense. Thank You. Mr Ed.
> > >
> > > Dave Walker wrote:
> > > > so needless to say, I have a fresh new rant, not even 20 minutes old
> > (at
> > > > the time of me STARTING to post this, which may take QUITE A WHILE
> > given
> > > > how pissed off I am about it ...) !!
> > > >
> > > > I am going down Bank, there's brutal road construction on it, so I
> get
> > off
> > > > onto Sunnyside, heading towards Bronson where I live. If you have
> been
> > > > down that road, you know there is about 536 stupid 4-way stop signs,
> > ...
> > > > and there is no actual traffic that EVER comes from those side
> streets,
> > ...
> > > > as
> > > >
> > > > I have ridden them for basicly all the 3 years i've lived here, and
> > have
> > > > NEVER (to the BEST of my memory) seen anybody that wasn't just
> driving
> > in
> > > > the East/West direction like myself...
> > > >
> > > > SO Anyways, I get to one of the FOUR WAY STOPSIGNS, and at
> > approximately
> > > > 3km/h, proceed without coming to a complete stop.
> > > >
> > > > That cost me $110.
> > > >
> > > > what a piece of shit fine that is and you bet your ass I'm going to
> > fight
> > > > it ...
> > > >
> > > > I haven't seen much bitching here on the NG about fines, so either
> I'm
> > out
> > > > of line, or I assume you guys have been lucky ...
> > > >
> > > > I asked the cop if I will likely see my insurance go up, and he says
> > "well,
> > > > I'm not going to call your insurance company, and so I suggest you
> > don't
> > > > either" ... "I don't tell my insurance company about mine ..."
> > > >
> > > > The main thing that pisses me off, is that when I drive a motorbike,
> > and
> > > > it's not even new, or shiny, or doing over the speed limit ... I get
> > PULLED
> > > > OVER, yet, when the cop has NO PROBLEMS letting DOZENS of other
> > > > NON-Motorcyclists do the EXACT SAME THING as me, even just at the
> SAME
> > > > CORNER he pulled me over at (but AFTER he made his left turn and was
> on
> > his
> > > > way) ...
> > > >
> > > > What a bunch of shit this is ... I've never had to deal with
> something
> > REAL
> > > > to complain about, like racism, or sexism ...but this is probly the
> > closest
> > > > thing i can think of!!!
> > > >
> > > > the fact that I LOSE the benefit of the doubt by driving a
> motorcycle
> > is
> > > > extremely OUTRAGEOUS to me ...
> > > >
> > > > My apologies in advance (for the profanity'izm), but I had to get
> that
> > shit
> > > > off my chest :(
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Dave:
I hear ya police do pay attention to bikes more then some cars (with the
exception of beefed up hot rods).
You could take the ticket to court but chances of it being thrown out cause
the cop wasn't there are slim (they are supposed to be at hearings) and you
can't argue the fact you rolled it cause that is a violation, but you can
plead to the judge about how you have been driving so long and never have
been fined or somthing.And he may reduce the fine. Another thing is set up a
video caera at that particular stop sign and video cars doing the same thing
(rolling it) and present your case that way.
Bikes are like bright colored sports cars they are an easy target for
police. Good luck man
Duane
93 Suzuki Katana
"Dave Walker" <rongant@no-spam> wrote in message
news:RyfMa.20555$a51.12612@no-spam
> well,... I mean i'm not gonna deny at least, that I've been guilty of
> trying harder than I should have to beat a red ... that's definitely
> something I could see deserving a ticket for some time maybe ...
>
> but on sunnyside? a completely residential street, with 4-way stops all
> over the friggin place ... i've never seen anybody come off one of the
side
> streets ... so the fact that I didn't quite stop just doesn't seem like
> that much of a DANGEROUS crime...
>
> to be honest, I can see as much danger from that as from doing 53km/h in a
> 50km/h zone ...
> has anybody ever received a ticket for that?
>
> if not ... why is their room for cops to negotiate on what they deem to be
> speeding, but not what they deem to be a stop?
>
> seems pretty cut & dry to me ...
> you're either doing the speed limit or you're speeding,...
> you're either stopping at the sign, or you're not fully stopping...
>
>
> --
> Dave
> 86 GS750es
>
>
>
> "Paul Woodward" <woodwardpg@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:cIeMa.31767$104.354827@no-spam
> > I agree. I moved here over 5 years ago from Vancouver. Now drivers
> there
> > have their own problems at least on a par with those here. Soo don't
> flame
> > me for what I am about to say.
> > I have never seen a place where people routinely blow more red lights
> than
> > this city. In the course of a day I witness at least 10-15 people who
> > seriously tromp the accelerator or just keep rolling on through. They
> hit
> > these intersections with the lights already red. I am not just pointing
> the
> > finger at our four wheeled friends many motorcycles too. This combined
> with
> > the what seems to be a complete lack of knowledge about turning onto
> > multilane streets (when you turn right stay in the right lane and vica
> > versa) makes the surface streets pretty much a dangerous place.
> > Given that I don't trust anyone else to stop I always do. I just make
it
> a
> > habit. Stop sign=stop. Not trying to be holier than thou just thinking
> of
> > it as life preserving.
> > Speaking of the cops, I got pulled over last summer. I was stopped
> because
> > the bungee net on my seat was coming loose and the cop was afraid it
> might
> > go into the wheel. There I am stopped, D&D pipes gleaming (and not very
> > quiet) he looks at them and asks if they are for race only
applications.
> > My only response was I bought them from a dealer when I bought the bike
> and
> > specifically asked for street pipes. He grins and says okay, have a
good
> > ride. I thanked him for taking the time to warn me about the situation
> with
> > the bungee net. This has been my only experience with the police with
> the
> > exception of the great bunch who come out and help with the Ride for Dad
> > each year.
> >
> > My 2 cents
> > Paul
> > VTR
> > "zeek" <zeek_97xx@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:b756809f.0307010211.52df1ea1@no-spam
> > > Hmmm... (flame resistant gear on) Given how many bikes get taken out
> > > by cagers blowing stop signs and lights I would have thought there'd
> > > be some understanding of the concept. Just when I think the planets
> > > have aligned... Put a foot down and keep your $110. Sounds
> > > reasonable to me.
> > >
> > > Just a thought,
> > >
> > > Zeek
> >
> >
>
>
Here's a new concept..... You rolled through, that's an offence, pay
the fine (grudgingly) and then petition the city to review it's policy
on so damn many 4 way stops in the residential area. I agree with
you.... there are way too many of them. Then, after they remove half of
the signs the city will only have half as many people complaining about
all the stop signs in the residential areas of the city.
duane wrote:
> Dave:
> I hear ya police do pay attention to bikes more then some cars (with the
> exception of beefed up hot rods).
> You could take the ticket to court but chances of it being thrown out cause
> the cop wasn't there are slim (they are supposed to be at hearings) and you
> can't argue the fact you rolled it cause that is a violation, but you can
> plead to the judge about how you have been driving so long and never have
> been fined or somthing.And he may reduce the fine. Another thing is set up a
> video caera at that particular stop sign and video cars doing the same thing
> (rolling it) and present your case that way.
> Bikes are like bright colored sports cars they are an easy target for
> police. Good luck man
>
> Duane
> 93 Suzuki Katana
>
>
>
> "Dave Walker" <rongant@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:RyfMa.20555$a51.12612@no-spam
>
>>well,... I mean i'm not gonna deny at least, that I've been guilty of
>>trying harder than I should have to beat a red ... that's definitely
>>something I could see deserving a ticket for some time maybe ...
>>
>>but on sunnyside? a completely residential street, with 4-way stops all
>>over the friggin place ... i've never seen anybody come off one of the
>
> side
>
>>streets ... so the fact that I didn't quite stop just doesn't seem like
>>that much of a DANGEROUS crime...
>>
>>to be honest, I can see as much danger from that as from doing 53km/h in a
>>50km/h zone ...
>>has anybody ever received a ticket for that?
>>
>>if not ... why is their room for cops to negotiate on what they deem to be
>>speeding, but not what they deem to be a stop?
>>
>>seems pretty cut & dry to me ...
>>you're either doing the speed limit or you're speeding,...
>>you're either stopping at the sign, or you're not fully stopping...
>>
>>
>>--
>>Dave
>>86 GS750es
>>
>>
>>
>>"Paul Woodward" <woodwardpg@no-spam> wrote in message
>>news:cIeMa.31767$104.354827@no-spam
>>
>>>I agree. I moved here over 5 years ago from Vancouver. Now drivers
>>
>>there
>>
>>>have their own problems at least on a par with those here. Soo don't
>>
>>flame
>>
>>>me for what I am about to say.
>>>I have never seen a place where people routinely blow more red lights
>>
>>than
>>
>>>this city. In the course of a day I witness at least 10-15 people who
>>>seriously tromp the accelerator or just keep rolling on through. They
>>
>>hit
>>
>>>these intersections with the lights already red. I am not just pointing
>>
>>the
>>
>>>finger at our four wheeled friends many motorcycles too. This combined
>>
>>with
>>
>>>the what seems to be a complete lack of knowledge about turning onto
>>>multilane streets (when you turn right stay in the right lane and vica
>>>versa) makes the surface streets pretty much a dangerous place.
>>>Given that I don't trust anyone else to stop I always do. I just make
>>
> it
>
>>a
>>
>>>habit. Stop sign=stop. Not trying to be holier than thou just thinking
>>
>>of
>>
>>>it as life preserving.
>>>Speaking of the cops, I got pulled over last summer. I was stopped
>>
>>because
>>
>>>the bungee net on my seat was coming loose and the cop was afraid it
>>
>>might
>>
>>>go into the wheel. There I am stopped, D&D pipes gleaming (and not very
>>>quiet) he looks at them and asks if they are for race only
>>
> applications.
>
>>>My only response was I bought them from a dealer when I bought the bike
>>
>>and
>>
>>>specifically asked for street pipes. He grins and says okay, have a
>>
> good
>
>>>ride. I thanked him for taking the time to warn me about the situation
>>
>>with
>>
>>>the bungee net. This has been my only experience with the police with
>>
>>the
>>
>>>exception of the great bunch who come out and help with the Ride for Dad
>>>each year.
>>>
>>>My 2 cents
>>>Paul
>>>VTR
>>>"zeek" <zeek_97xx@no-spam> wrote in message
>>>news:b756809f.0307010211.52df1ea1@no-spam
>>>
>>>>Hmmm... (flame resistant gear on) Given how many bikes get taken out
>>>>by cagers blowing stop signs and lights I would have thought there'd
>>>>be some understanding of the concept. Just when I think the planets
>>>>have aligned... Put a foot down and keep your $110. Sounds
>>>>reasonable to me.
>>>>
>>>>Just a thought,
>>>>
>>>>Zeek
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
I always roll stops at 1 or 2 kph. I slow down, look everywhere, and go.
If there's somebody about to cross the street with or without a stroller,
with or without looking, at that speed I DO have time to stop, and I DO
stop.
If a car is coming, I have way enough time to judge if he's gonna stop, and
if I know he will and it's my turn to go, I go. If I have clear view and see
nobody, I roll. If there's a pedestrian on the corner, I pay him some
attention and am ready to stop. If anyone is coming on the corner accross
with either the intention to do the the same, or the intention to do a full
stop, in both cases we end up both stopping and giving way to the one with
priority.
How dangerous am I?
I never had an accident that way, nor have I almost had one, nor can I see a
situation where this is more dangerous than doing a full stop (simply
because in these situations, reduced visibility being one of them, I do a
full stop).
The other day I saw a cop was sitting on the opposite corner. I don't know
if he was waiting for speeders (I live in a 40kph zone) or people rolling
the stop, but I slowed down as usual, looked at the lane he was on, looked
at the other lane, looked at him, crossed the stop line and rolled. What do
you think the cop did? Nothing. I feel sorry for you Dave to have less luck.
--
Chris
'93 ZX-6
"Tom B" <anyone@no-spam> wrote in message
news:8egMa.22788$U02.375523@no-spam
> well Dave consider the pedestrian crossing the walkway without looking
(not
> a stretch by any means) pushing their kid in a stroller...that's why
> Sunnyside and streets like it are being watched.
>
> --
> Tom B
>
>
> "Dave Walker" <rongant@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:RyfMa.20555$a51.12612@no-spam
> > well,... I mean i'm not gonna deny at least, that I've been guilty of
> > trying harder than I should have to beat a red ... that's definitely
> > something I could see deserving a ticket for some time maybe ...
> >
> > but on sunnyside? a completely residential street, with 4-way stops all
> > over the friggin place ... i've never seen anybody come off one of the
> side
> > streets ... so the fact that I didn't quite stop just doesn't seem like
> > that much of a DANGEROUS crime...
> >
> > to be honest, I can see as much danger from that as from doing 53km/h in
a
> > 50km/h zone ...
> > has anybody ever received a ticket for that?
> >
> > if not ... why is their room for cops to negotiate on what they deem to
be
> > speeding, but not what they deem to be a stop?
> >
> > seems pretty cut & dry to me ...
> > you're either doing the speed limit or you're speeding,...
> > you're either stopping at the sign, or you're not fully stopping...
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dave
> > 86 GS750es
> >
> >
> >
> > "Paul Woodward" <woodwardpg@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:cIeMa.31767$104.354827@no-spam
> > > I agree. I moved here over 5 years ago from Vancouver. Now drivers
> > there
> > > have their own problems at least on a par with those here. Soo don't
> > flame
> > > me for what I am about to say.
> > > I have never seen a place where people routinely blow more red lights
> > than
> > > this city. In the course of a day I witness at least 10-15 people who
> > > seriously tromp the accelerator or just keep rolling on through. They
> > hit
> > > these intersections with the lights already red. I am not just
pointing
> > the
> > > finger at our four wheeled friends many motorcycles too. This
combined
> > with
> > > the what seems to be a complete lack of knowledge about turning onto
> > > multilane streets (when you turn right stay in the right lane and vica
> > > versa) makes the surface streets pretty much a dangerous place.
> > > Given that I don't trust anyone else to stop I always do. I just make
> it
> > a
> > > habit. Stop sign=stop. Not trying to be holier than thou just
thinking
> > of
> > > it as life preserving.
> > > Speaking of the cops, I got pulled over last summer. I was stopped
> > because
> > > the bungee net on my seat was coming loose and the cop was afraid it
> > might
> > > go into the wheel. There I am stopped, D&D pipes gleaming (and not
very
> > > quiet) he looks at them and asks if they are for race only
> applications.
> > > My only response was I bought them from a dealer when I bought the
bike
> > and
> > > specifically asked for street pipes. He grins and says okay, have a
> good
> > > ride. I thanked him for taking the time to warn me about the
situation
> > with
> > > the bungee net. This has been my only experience with the police with
> > the
> > > exception of the great bunch who come out and help with the Ride for
Dad
> > > each year.
> > >
> > > My 2 cents
> > > Paul
> > > VTR
> > > "zeek" <zeek_97xx@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > news:b756809f.0307010211.52df1ea1@no-spam
> > > > Hmmm... (flame resistant gear on) Given how many bikes get taken
out
> > > > by cagers blowing stop signs and lights I would have thought there'd
> > > > be some understanding of the concept. Just when I think the planets
> > > > have aligned... Put a foot down and keep your $110. Sounds
> > > > reasonable to me.
> > > >
> > > > Just a thought,
> > > >
> > > > Zeek
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
It is called a "rolling stop" and is illegal even if done safely.
--
"Its the bugs that keep it running."
-Joe Canuck
see that's basicly exactly what I mean ...
the fact that there's no consistency ...
what's good for the goose is NOT good for the gander, unless the cop
decides he wants the gander to get a damn ticket ...
it's crap, and i'm gonna do my best to fight it based on prejudice...
(I did NOT speed to take off after rolling, nor into the stop sign area, I
pulled over immediately, did nothing wrong other than speeding oh, about
3km/h over the posted "0 km/h limit" ...
--
Dave
86 GS750es
"greg" <x@no-spam> wrote in message
news:QpiMa.2794$eF3.387020@no-spam
> I always roll stops at 1 or 2 kph. I slow down, look everywhere, and go.
> If there's somebody about to cross the street with or without a stroller,
> with or without looking, at that speed I DO have time to stop, and I DO
> stop.
> If a car is coming, I have way enough time to judge if he's gonna stop,
and
> if I know he will and it's my turn to go, I go. If I have clear view and
see
> nobody, I roll. If there's a pedestrian on the corner, I pay him some
> attention and am ready to stop. If anyone is coming on the corner accross
> with either the intention to do the the same, or the intention to do a
full
> stop, in both cases we end up both stopping and giving way to the one
with
> priority.
> How dangerous am I?
> I never had an accident that way, nor have I almost had one, nor can I
see a
> situation where this is more dangerous than doing a full stop (simply
> because in these situations, reduced visibility being one of them, I do a
> full stop).
> The other day I saw a cop was sitting on the opposite corner. I don't
know
> if he was waiting for speeders (I live in a 40kph zone) or people rolling
> the stop, but I slowed down as usual, looked at the lane he was on,
looked
> at the other lane, looked at him, crossed the stop line and rolled. What
do
> you think the cop did? Nothing. I feel sorry for you Dave to have less
luck.
>
>
> --
> Chris
> '93 ZX-6
>
>
> "Tom B" <anyone@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:8egMa.22788$U02.375523@no-spam
> > well Dave consider the pedestrian crossing the walkway without looking
> (not
> > a stretch by any means) pushing their kid in a stroller...that's why
> > Sunnyside and streets like it are being watched.
> >
> > --
> > Tom B
> >
> >
> > "Dave Walker" <rongant@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:RyfMa.20555$a51.12612@no-spam
> > > well,... I mean i'm not gonna deny at least, that I've been guilty of
> > > trying harder than I should have to beat a red ... that's definitely
> > > something I could see deserving a ticket for some time maybe ...
> > >
> > > but on sunnyside? a completely residential street, with 4-way stops
all
> > > over the friggin place ... i've never seen anybody come off one of
the
> > side
> > > streets ... so the fact that I didn't quite stop just doesn't seem
like
> > > that much of a DANGEROUS crime...
> > >
> > > to be honest, I can see as much danger from that as from doing 53km/h
in
> a
> > > 50km/h zone ...
> > > has anybody ever received a ticket for that?
> > >
> > > if not ... why is their room for cops to negotiate on what they deem
to
> be
> > > speeding, but not what they deem to be a stop?
> > >
> > > seems pretty cut & dry to me ...
> > > you're either doing the speed limit or you're speeding,...
> > > you're either stopping at the sign, or you're not fully stopping...
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dave
> > > 86 GS750es
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Paul Woodward" <woodwardpg@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > news:cIeMa.31767$104.354827@no-spam
> > > > I agree. I moved here over 5 years ago from Vancouver. Now
drivers
> > > there
> > > > have their own problems at least on a par with those here. Soo
don't
> > > flame
> > > > me for what I am about to say.
> > > > I have never seen a place where people routinely blow more red
lights
> > > than
> > > > this city. In the course of a day I witness at least 10-15 people
who
> > > > seriously tromp the accelerator or just keep rolling on through.
They
> > > hit
> > > > these intersections with the lights already red. I am not just
> pointing
> > > the
> > > > finger at our four wheeled friends many motorcycles too. This
> combined
> > > with
> > > > the what seems to be a complete lack of knowledge about turning
onto
> > > > multilane streets (when you turn right stay in the right lane and
vica
> > > > versa) makes the surface streets pretty much a dangerous place.
> > > > Given that I don't trust anyone else to stop I always do. I just
make
> > it
> > > a
> > > > habit. Stop sign=stop. Not trying to be holier than thou just
> thinking
> > > of
> > > > it as life preserving.
> > > > Speaking of the cops, I got pulled over last summer. I was stopped
> > > because
> > > > the bungee net on my seat was coming loose and the cop was afraid
it
> > > might
> > > > go into the wheel. There I am stopped, D&D pipes gleaming (and not
> very
> > > > quiet) he looks at them and asks if they are for race only
> > applications.
> > > > My only response was I bought them from a dealer when I bought the
> bike
> > > and
> > > > specifically asked for street pipes. He grins and says okay, have
a
> > good
> > > > ride. I thanked him for taking the time to warn me about the
> situation
> > > with
> > > > the bungee net. This has been my only experience with the police
with
> > > the
> > > > exception of the great bunch who come out and help with the Ride
for
> Dad
> > > > each year.
> > > >
> > > > My 2 cents
> > > > Paul
> > > > VTR
> > > > "zeek" <zeek_97xx@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > > news:b756809f.0307010211.52df1ea1@no-spam
> > > > > Hmmm... (flame resistant gear on) Given how many bikes get taken
> out
> > > > > by cagers blowing stop signs and lights I would have thought
there'd
> > > > > be some understanding of the concept. Just when I think the
planets
> > > > > have aligned... Put a foot down and keep your $110. Sounds
> > > > > reasonable to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just a thought,
> > > > >
> > > > > Zeek
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
everybody can make the point that ya it's illegal ... but nobody even tries
to explain why the cop pulls over me instead of everybody else doing the
same thing in front of and behind me...
????????????????????????????
--
Dave
86 GS750es
"Joe Canuck" <Joe_Canuck@no-spam> wrote in message
news:6qkMa.5229$Ec2.409918@no-spam
>
> It is called a "rolling stop" and is illegal even if done safely.
>
> --
> "Its the bugs that keep it running."
> -Joe Canuck
>
Hey Dave,
The cop pulled you over because he wanted to and he saw you go through the
stop sign. IT is kinda like when he/she pulls over a speeder on the
Queensway and you are able to blow past him as he is already busy picking on
that other speeder.
I hope you did not have this attitude with the cop or showed it Dave. Here's
why: I went through a stop sign. I did a rolling stop. The cop pulled me
over and went through the routine of asking if I knew why. I said Yes I do.
Sorry. The cop ended charging with a Bylaw offense of not obeying a City
sign. Ticket was $30 and no points. Most cops, I know, do an attitude check.
And are willing to help if you fess up w/o an issue or aleast be pleasant.
This has help several times even when I was pulled over for 150kms on my
bike a few years back. I walk way w/o a ticket (this is unusaul).
Dave, they have a job to do and you just got caught at that particular time.
--
Andre
BlkKat 600
"Dave Walker" <rongant@no-spam> wrote in message
news:1_lMa.36150$x4o.17365@no-spam
> everybody can make the point that ya it's illegal ... but nobody even
tries
> to explain why the cop pulls over me instead of everybody else doing the
> same thing in front of and behind me...
>
> ????????????????????????????
>
> --
> Dave
> 86 GS750es
>
>
>
> "Joe Canuck" <Joe_Canuck@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:6qkMa.5229$Ec2.409918@no-spam
> >
> > It is called a "rolling stop" and is illegal even if done safely.
> >
> > --
> > "Its the bugs that keep it running."
> > -Joe Canuck
> >
>
>
Yeah, attitude check, doesn't matter what attitude you have, you can act
like a dic or the pope, it doesn't matter. If these guys haven't met their
quota for the month your getting a ticket unless of course your real cute
and have a pen and paper handy to write down your phone number. And no, I
didn't get my fine reduced, that's like begging for mercy and I wasn't about
to beg a crooked cop and a language bias judge for a reduced fine. I
basically told the judge that he was out of his mind if he thinks that
people on the queensway should leave 10 car length spaces while in rush hour
traffic.
Mr.Ed, I got pulled over because the cop thought he saw me pass 10 cars in a
bus lane. Meanwhile, the cop was beside a big rig while I was avoiding the
accident and had no way of knowing how many cars I passed. As I said, the
guy in front jammed on his brakes to get back into the lane to Kanata, I was
the guy who was 3 spaces behind him who had to make a rational decision and
I paid the price. As I said, next time, my front bumper will meet the back
of the ass who pulls that crap in front of me, I am not paying another fine
for someone's impatient.
"Andre" <zx7ae1NOSPAM@no-spam> wrote in message
news:DzmMa.24568$a51.6081@no-spam
> Hey Dave,
> The cop pulled you over because he wanted to and he saw you go through the
> stop sign. IT is kinda like when he/she pulls over a speeder on the
> Queensway and you are able to blow past him as he is already busy picking
on
> that other speeder.
>
> I hope you did not have this attitude with the cop or showed it Dave.
Here's
> why: I went through a stop sign. I did a rolling stop. The cop pulled me
> over and went through the routine of asking if I knew why. I said Yes I
do.
> Sorry. The cop ended charging with a Bylaw offense of not obeying a City
> sign. Ticket was $30 and no points. Most cops, I know, do an attitude
check.
> And are willing to help if you fess up w/o an issue or aleast be pleasant.
> This has help several times even when I was pulled over for 150kms on my
> bike a few years back. I walk way w/o a ticket (this is unusaul).
>
> Dave, they have a job to do and you just got caught at that particular
time.
>
> --
> Andre
> BlkKat 600
> "Dave Walker" <rongant@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:1_lMa.36150$x4o.17365@no-spam
> > everybody can make the point that ya it's illegal ... but nobody even
> tries
> > to explain why the cop pulls over me instead of everybody else doing the
> > same thing in front of and behind me...
> >
> > ????????????????????????????
> >
> > --
> > Dave
> > 86 GS750es
> >
> >
> >
> > "Joe Canuck" <Joe_Canuck@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:6qkMa.5229$Ec2.409918@no-spam
> > >
> > > It is called a "rolling stop" and is illegal even if done safely.
> > >
> > > --
> > > "Its the bugs that keep it running."
> > > -Joe Canuck
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Only problem with that is the cops will still charge you with following to
close.
--
Bill
Please remove 'NOSPAM' to mail
"Mustangbrad" <brad@no-spam> wrote in message
news:BBoMa.37428$x4o.21406@no-spam
> Yeah, attitude check, doesn't matter what attitude you have, you can act
> like a dic or the pope, it doesn't matter. If these guys haven't met their
> quota for the month your getting a ticket unless of course your real cute
> and have a pen and paper handy to write down your phone number. And no, I
> didn't get my fine reduced, that's like begging for mercy and I wasn't
about
> to beg a crooked cop and a language bias judge for a reduced fine. I
> basically told the judge that he was out of his mind if he thinks that
> people on the queensway should leave 10 car length spaces while in rush
hour
> traffic.
>
> Mr.Ed, I got pulled over because the cop thought he saw me pass 10 cars in
a
> bus lane. Meanwhile, the cop was beside a big rig while I was avoiding the
> accident and had no way of knowing how many cars I passed. As I said, the
> guy in front jammed on his brakes to get back into the lane to Kanata, I
was
> the guy who was 3 spaces behind him who had to make a rational decision
and
> I paid the price. As I said, next time, my front bumper will meet the back
> of the ass who pulls that crap in front of me, I am not paying another
fine
> for someone's impatient.
>
>
>
> "Andre" <zx7ae1NOSPAM@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:DzmMa.24568$a51.6081@no-spam
> > Hey Dave,
> > The cop pulled you over because he wanted to and he saw you go through
the
> > stop sign. IT is kinda like when he/she pulls over a speeder on the
> > Queensway and you are able to blow past him as he is already busy
picking
> on
> > that other speeder.
> >
> > I hope you did not have this attitude with the cop or showed it Dave.
> Here's
> > why: I went through a stop sign. I did a rolling stop. The cop pulled
me
> > over and went through the routine of asking if I knew why. I said Yes I
> do.
> > Sorry. The cop ended charging with a Bylaw offense of not obeying a
City
> > sign. Ticket was $30 and no points. Most cops, I know, do an attitude
> check.
> > And are willing to help if you fess up w/o an issue or aleast be
pleasant.
> > This has help several times even when I was pulled over for 150kms on my
> > bike a few years back. I walk way w/o a ticket (this is unusaul).
> >
> > Dave, they have a job to do and you just got caught at that particular
> time.
> >
> > --
> > Andre
> > BlkKat 600
> > "Dave Walker" <rongant@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:1_lMa.36150$x4o.17365@no-spam
> > > everybody can make the point that ya it's illegal ... but nobody even
> > tries
> > > to explain why the cop pulls over me instead of everybody else doing
the
> > > same thing in front of and behind me...
> > >
> > > ????????????????????????????
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dave
> > > 86 GS750es
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Joe Canuck" <Joe_Canuck@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > news:6qkMa.5229$Ec2.409918@no-spam
> > > >
> > > > It is called a "rolling stop" and is illegal even if done safely.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > "Its the bugs that keep it running."
> > > > -Joe Canuck
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 09:51:06 -0400, "Battleax"
<unavailable@no-spam> wrote:
>As a motorcyclist I consider people who run stop signs my main enemy.
>Regardless of the vehicle they are driving.
>b
That was out of line. RUNNING a stop sign is one thing.
Slowing down (as close to a stop as you can without putting your feet
down), looking both ways, and proceeding if it's safe is another thing
ENTIRELY...
I rarely put my feet down at a 4 way stop. That doesn't mean I RUN
them recklessly.
Think about your wording.
--------
Dave Cruickshank
'02 S/S Volusia
www.dc-digital.net
On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 07:59:17 -0400, "Paul Woodward"
<woodwardpg@no-spam> wrote:
>I have never seen a place where people routinely blow more red lights than
>this city. In the course of a day I witness at least 10-15 people who
>seriously tromp the accelerator or just keep rolling on through.
Where the hell do you drive? I've lived here for 2 years, and never
seen anyone intentionally blow a red light.
--------
Dave Cruickshank
'02 S/S Volusia
www.dc-digital.net
On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 06:11:47 GMT, "Dave Walker" <rongant@no-spam>
wrote:
>now that's more like it :)
>some old school N.W.A. Stylez yo !!!!!!
>
>not gonna fuss to much about what I did wrong, I know what i did ... and it
>was wrong ... but why he picked me instead of the ZILLIONS of others in the
>area that did the same damn thing,... i HATE that fact...
It sucks being the example don't it?
--------
Dave Cruickshank
'02 S/S Volusia
www.dc-digital.net
Oh well, what can I say.
"Bill" <wts0156NOSPAM@no-spam> wrote in message
news:wbpMa.24455$I7.36682@no-spam
> Only problem with that is the cops will still charge you with following to
> close.
>
> --
> Bill
>
> Please remove 'NOSPAM' to mail
> "Mustangbrad" <brad@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:BBoMa.37428$x4o.21406@no-spam
> > Yeah, attitude check, doesn't matter what attitude you have, you can act
> > like a dic or the pope, it doesn't matter. If these guys haven't met
their
> > quota for the month your getting a ticket unless of course your real
cute
> > and have a pen and paper handy to write down your phone number. And no,
I
> > didn't get my fine reduced, that's like begging for mercy and I wasn't
> about
> > to beg a crooked cop and a language bias judge for a reduced fine. I
> > basically told the judge that he was out of his mind if he thinks that
> > people on the queensway should leave 10 car length spaces while in rush
> hour
> > traffic.
> >
> > Mr.Ed, I got pulled over because the cop thought he saw me pass 10 cars
in
> a
> > bus lane. Meanwhile, the cop was beside a big rig while I was avoiding
the
> > accident and had no way of knowing how many cars I passed. As I said,
the
> > guy in front jammed on his brakes to get back into the lane to Kanata, I
> was
> > the guy who was 3 spaces behind him who had to make a rational decision
> and
> > I paid the price. As I said, next time, my front bumper will meet the
back
> > of the ass who pulls that crap in front of me, I am not paying another
> fine
> > for someone's impatient.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Andre" <zx7ae1NOSPAM@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:DzmMa.24568$a51.6081@no-spam
> > > Hey Dave,
> > > The cop pulled you over because he wanted to and he saw you go through
> the
> > > stop sign. IT is kinda like when he/she pulls over a speeder on the
> > > Queensway and you are able to blow past him as he is already busy
> picking
> > on
> > > that other speeder.
> > >
> > > I hope you did not have this attitude with the cop or showed it Dave.
> > Here's
> > > why: I went through a stop sign. I did a rolling stop. The cop
pulled
> me
> > > over and went through the routine of asking if I knew why. I said Yes
I
> > do.
> > > Sorry. The cop ended charging with a Bylaw offense of not obeying a
> City
> > > sign. Ticket was $30 and no points. Most cops, I know, do an attitude
> > check.
> > > And are willing to help if you fess up w/o an issue or aleast be
> pleasant.
> > > This has help several times even when I was pulled over for 150kms on
my
> > > bike a few years back. I walk way w/o a ticket (this is unusaul).
> > >
> > > Dave, they have a job to do and you just got caught at that particular
> > time.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Andre
> > > BlkKat 600
> > > "Dave Walker" <rongant@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > news:1_lMa.36150$x4o.17365@no-spam
> > > > everybody can make the point that ya it's illegal ... but nobody
even
> > > tries
> > > > to explain why the cop pulls over me instead of everybody else doing
> the
> > > > same thing in front of and behind me...
> > > >
> > > > ????????????????????????????
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Dave
> > > > 86 GS750es
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Joe Canuck" <Joe_Canuck@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > > news:6qkMa.5229$Ec2.409918@no-spam
> > > > >
> > > > > It is called a "rolling stop" and is illegal even if done safely.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > "Its the bugs that keep it running."
> > > > > -Joe Canuck
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Well Dave... not everyone gets pulled over. It was *your* turn that day,
some other day it will be the other *person's* turn while you blow by.
Plenty of drivers on the road do rolling stops... but I suspect there is
some reason the sign says "STOP" rather than "YIELD".
Lets reverse the situation a little here. Suppose for a second someone
in your family gets injured because someone fails to stop at the STOP
sign... you'd be pissed just as you are now.
--
"Its the bugs that keep it running."
-Joe Canuck
> I've lived here for 2 years, and never seen anyone[...]
I can't believe you've never seen anyone do it. Whenever you're sitting at
the red light, just watch the lights accross, and watch the cars. You will
see.
> intentionally blow a red light.
Or maybe it's not intentionnal, the light turn yellow and one's going too
fast and don't have time to stop. So they just roll. And intentional or not,
it IS routinely.
> Where the hell do you drive?
I think you can see it everywhere in the city. I see it constantly as well.
In fact last summer, one tried to blow a red light from BEHIND. I was
bikeless for one month...
And I don't know if Tom picked his stats from the number of tickets for red
lights in the cities accross Canada, but if so, some facts may explain:
- The yellow lights are shorter here than in Montreal (I did notice
anyways, although I didn't yet take the time to clock them at both places,
please talk anyone if you did, and tell me if I'm right or wrong) (did
anyone else notice?)
- That gives less time to brake, forcing many drivers to go through because
neither do they have time to brake, nor to pass before it turns red
- In Ottawa, when the set of lights turns red, it takes approx. one second
before the set accross turns green. During this delay, all lights are red on
the intersection.
- My theory: Knowing this, the cops here rarely give tickets to people who
are in the intersection when their light turns red or come in the
intersection after. I see a lot of people blowing red lights that way and
police doing nothing (did anyone else notice?). I think if they gave tickets
all the time for that, there would be more tickets here than in Montreal for
red lights (hey, that's just my theory here!)
--
Chris
'93 ZX-6
"Dave Cruickshank" <dave@no-spam> wrote in message
news:t684gvst0eap8s4kuabi7sgp4qo8t80qcp@no-spam
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 07:59:17 -0400, "Paul Woodward"
> <woodwardpg@no-spam> wrote:
>
> >I have never seen a place where people routinely blow more red lights
than
> >this city. In the course of a day I witness at least 10-15 people who
> >seriously tromp the accelerator or just keep rolling on through.
>
>
>
>
> --------
> Dave Cruickshank
> '02 S/S Volusia
> www.dc-digital.net
Come for a walk with me downtown some day or just about anywhere else in
this fair city. I only know what I see. It is not something that has gone
un-noticed by others. Just after I moved here there was a horrendus
accident at Trim and Tenth line that killed the son of a local business man.
There was a huge uiproar then about all the red lights that are run. It was
this event that helped provide the impetus for the installation of red light
cameras at various locations.
When I was living in Orleans I went to court as a witness to an accident
that was caused by guess what a person running a red light. That was at the
corner of Jean D'Arc and Orleans Boulevard recently named as one of the most
dangerous intersections in the city with the main reason being disregard for
the lights. I lived with that intersection for three years. A prudent
person never proceeded through on the green without being very careful.
I now live in Rockland. In the morning one does not venture onto highway 17
when the light turns green until the last of the drivers running the yellow
and then the early red have gone through.
Paul
VTR
"Dave Cruickshank" <dave@no-spam> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 07:59:17 -0400, "Paul Woodward"
> <woodwardpg@no-spam> wrote:
>
> >I have never seen a place where people routinely blow more red lights
than
> >this city. In the course of a day I witness at least 10-15 people who
> >seriously tromp the accelerator or just keep rolling on through.
>
> Where the hell do you drive? I've lived here for 2 years, and never
> seen anyone intentionally blow a red light.
>
>
>
> --------
> Dave Cruickshank
> '02 S/S Volusia
> www.dc-digital.net
Would not on the bike bro, i'm not insane. The cop told me I'd be better off
hitting the guy instead of avoiding a collision, I might have a chance to
prove myself in a different manner.
"greg" <x@no-spam> wrote in message
news:sNqMa.4219$eF3.466476@no-spam
> I think it's generally very difficult to prove it's not your fault when
you
> rearend someone. Not only you'll (maybe?) be charged for following too
> close, but you'll also have a "responsible accident" on your file.
>
> Beside, for safety's sake, if it happens when you're riding your bike,
> please don't purposely hit anyone's bumper...
>
> --
> Chris
> '93 ZX-6
>
>
> "Bill" <wts0156NOSPAM@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:wbpMa.24455$I7.36682@no-spam
> > Only problem with that is the cops will still charge you with following
to
> > close.
> >
> > --
> > Bill
> >
> > Please remove 'NOSPAM' to mail
> > "Mustangbrad" <brad@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:BBoMa.37428$x4o.21406@no-spam
> > > Yeah, attitude check, doesn't matter what attitude you have, you can
act
> > > like a dic or the pope, it doesn't matter. If these guys haven't met
> their
> > > quota for the month your getting a ticket unless of course your real
> cute
> > > and have a pen and paper handy to write down your phone number. And
no,
> I
> > > didn't get my fine reduced, that's like begging for mercy and I wasn't
> > about
> > > to beg a crooked cop and a language bias judge for a reduced fine. I
> > > basically told the judge that he was out of his mind if he thinks that
> > > people on the queensway should leave 10 car length spaces while in
rush
> > hour
> > > traffic.
> > >
> > > Mr.Ed, I got pulled over because the cop thought he saw me pass 10
cars
> in
> > a
> > > bus lane. Meanwhile, the cop was beside a big rig while I was avoiding
> the
> > > accident and had no way of knowing how many cars I passed. As I said,
> the
> > > guy in front jammed on his brakes to get back into the lane to Kanata,
I
> > was
> > > the guy who was 3 spaces behind him who had to make a rational
decision
> > and
> > > I paid the price. As I said, next time, my front bumper will meet the
> back
> > > of the ass who pulls that crap in front of me, I am not paying another
> > fine
> > > for someone's impatient.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Andre" <zx7ae1NOSPAM@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > news:DzmMa.24568$a51.6081@no-spam
> > > > Hey Dave,
> > > > The cop pulled you over because he wanted to and he saw you go
through
> > the
> > > > stop sign. IT is kinda like when he/she pulls over a speeder on the
> > > > Queensway and you are able to blow past him as he is already busy
> > picking
> > > on
> > > > that other speeder.
> > > >
> > > > I hope you did not have this attitude with the cop or showed it
Dave.
> > > Here's
> > > > why: I went through a stop sign. I did a rolling stop. The cop
> pulled
> > me
> > > > over and went through the routine of asking if I knew why. I said
Yes
> I
> > > do.
> > > > Sorry. The cop ended charging with a Bylaw offense of not obeying a
> > City
> > > > sign. Ticket was $30 and no points. Most cops, I know, do an
attitude
> > > check.
> > > > And are willing to help if you fess up w/o an issue or aleast be
> > pleasant.
> > > > This has help several times even when I was pulled over for 150kms
on
> my
> > > > bike a few years back. I walk way w/o a ticket (this is unusaul).
> > > >
> > > > Dave, they have a job to do and you just got caught at that
particular
> > > time.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Andre
> > > > BlkKat 600
> > > > "Dave Walker" <rongant@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > > news:1_lMa.36150$x4o.17365@no-spam
> > > > > everybody can make the point that ya it's illegal ... but nobody
> even
> > > > tries
> > > > > to explain why the cop pulls over me instead of everybody else
doing
> > the
> > > > > same thing in front of and behind me...
> > > > >
> > > > > ????????????????????????????
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Dave
> > > > > 86 GS750es
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Joe Canuck" <Joe_Canuck@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > > > news:6qkMa.5229$Ec2.409918@no-spam
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is called a "rolling stop" and is illegal even if done
safely.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > "Its the bugs that keep it running."
> > > > > > -Joe Canuck
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
While I do understand these valid points you guys are bringing up,
regarding blowing red lights... I would just like to make the clear and
*distinct* difference between blowing a red light at an intersection and
slowing to a crawl then safely proceeding when clear at a 4-way stop...
:)
--
Dave
86 GS750es
"Dave Cruickshank" <dave@no-spam> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 07:59:17 -0400, "Paul Woodward"
> <woodwardpg@no-spam> wrote:
>
> >I have never seen a place where people routinely blow more red lights
than
> >this city. In the course of a day I witness at least 10-15 people who
> >seriously tromp the accelerator or just keep rolling on through.
>
> Where the hell do you drive? I've lived here for 2 years, and never
> seen anyone intentionally blow a red light.
>
>
>
> --------
> Dave Cruickshank
> '02 S/S Volusia
> www.dc-digital.net
I know wut you can F%($'ing say ... get a grill guard for your car like the
friggin General Lee had ...
:)
--
Dave
86 GS750es
"Mustangbrad" <brad@no-spam> wrote in message
news:GIpMa.37942$x4o.28640@no-spam
> Oh well, what can I say.
>
>
> "Bill" <wts0156NOSPAM@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:wbpMa.24455$I7.36682@no-spam
> > Only problem with that is the cops will still charge you with following
to
> > close.
> >
> > --
> > Bill
> >
> > Please remove 'NOSPAM' to mail
> > "Mustangbrad" <brad@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:BBoMa.37428$x4o.21406@no-spam
> > > Yeah, attitude check, doesn't matter what attitude you have, you can
act
> > > like a dic or the pope, it doesn't matter. If these guys haven't met
> their
> > > quota for the month your getting a ticket unless of course your real
> cute
> > > and have a pen and paper handy to write down your phone number. And
no,
> I
> > > didn't get my fine reduced, that's like begging for mercy and I
wasn't
> > about
> > > to beg a crooked cop and a language bias judge for a reduced fine. I
> > > basically told the judge that he was out of his mind if he thinks
that
> > > people on the queensway should leave 10 car length spaces while in
rush
> > hour
> > > traffic.
> > >
> > > Mr.Ed, I got pulled over because the cop thought he saw me pass 10
cars
> in
> > a
> > > bus lane. Meanwhile, the cop was beside a big rig while I was
avoiding
> the
> > > accident and had no way of knowing how many cars I passed. As I said,
> the
> > > guy in front jammed on his brakes to get back into the lane to
Kanata, I
> > was
> > > the guy who was 3 spaces behind him who had to make a rational
decision
> > and
> > > I paid the price. As I said, next time, my front bumper will meet the
> back
> > > of the ass who pulls that crap in front of me, I am not paying
another
> > fine
> > > for someone's impatient.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Andre" <zx7ae1NOSPAM@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > news:DzmMa.24568$a51.6081@no-spam
> > > > Hey Dave,
> > > > The cop pulled you over because he wanted to and he saw you go
through
> > the
> > > > stop sign. IT is kinda like when he/she pulls over a speeder on the
> > > > Queensway and you are able to blow past him as he is already busy
> > picking
> > > on
> > > > that other speeder.
> > > >
> > > > I hope you did not have this attitude with the cop or showed it
Dave.
> > > Here's
> > > > why: I went through a stop sign. I did a rolling stop. The cop
> pulled
> > me
> > > > over and went through the routine of asking if I knew why. I said
Yes
> I
> > > do.
> > > > Sorry. The cop ended charging with a Bylaw offense of not obeying
a
> > City
> > > > sign. Ticket was $30 and no points. Most cops, I know, do an
attitude
> > > check.
> > > > And are willing to help if you fess up w/o an issue or aleast be
> > pleasant.
> > > > This has help several times even when I was pulled over for 150kms
on
> my
> > > > bike a few years back. I walk way w/o a ticket (this is unusaul).
> > > >
> > > > Dave, they have a job to do and you just got caught at that
particular
> > > time.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Andre
> > > > BlkKat 600
> > > > "Dave Walker" <rongant@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > > news:1_lMa.36150$x4o.17365@no-spam
> > > > > everybody can make the point that ya it's illegal ... but nobody
> even
> > > > tries
> > > > > to explain why the cop pulls over me instead of everybody else
doing
> > the
> > > > > same thing in front of and behind me...
> > > > >
> > > > > ????????????????????????????
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Dave
> > > > > 86 GS750es
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Joe Canuck" <Joe_Canuck@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > > > news:6qkMa.5229$Ec2.409918@no-spam
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is called a "rolling stop" and is illegal even if done
safely.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > "Its the bugs that keep it running."
> > > > > > -Joe Canuck
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
that is true Joe... but if somebody in my family were injured by a 3km/h
motorcycle... I'd be like "Oh poor baby, let me get you a band-aid!"
heh...
of course i'm not really sayin it's OK to hit pedestrians or otherwise, ...
just that there is SO LITTLE danger caused by what I did ... and it seems
like he clearly picked me out of the crowd due to my 2-wheeled nature...
--
Dave
86 GS750es
"Joe Canuck" <Joe_Canuck@no-spam> wrote in message
news:KTpMa.6182$Ec2.471091@no-spam
>
> Well Dave... not everyone gets pulled over. It was *your* turn that day,
> some other day it will be the other *person's* turn while you blow by.
>
> Plenty of drivers on the road do rolling stops... but I suspect there is
> some reason the sign says "STOP" rather than "YIELD".
>
> Lets reverse the situation a little here. Suppose for a second someone
> in your family gets injured because someone fails to stop at the STOP
> sign... you'd be pissed just as you are now.
>
> --
> "Its the bugs that keep it running."
> -Joe Canuck
>
ya Andre, I kinda agree with the UNluck of the draw theory brought on by
Brad...
If a cop let's me go, it's cuz he's got better things to do ...
I can NOT understand what would motivate him to ticket me if it was not
based on a quota...
let's weigh everything out ...
even if he's got it set in his mind to pull over a biker,
wouldn't we rather have him pulling over a biker doing 90km/h down bank
street on the way to Timmy's or something like that ...
I just think ...
frig it doesn't matter wut I think I guess... it just pisses me off the
whole damn situation because of how stupid it is... and how useless of a
fine it is ...
:(
--
Dave
86 GS750es
"Andre" <zx7ae1NOSPAM@no-spam> wrote in message
news:DzmMa.24568$a51.6081@no-spam
> Hey Dave,
> The cop pulled you over because he wanted to and he saw you go through
the
> stop sign. IT is kinda like when he/she pulls over a speeder on the
> Queensway and you are able to blow past him as he is already busy picking
on
> that other speeder.
>
> I hope you did not have this attitude with the cop or showed it Dave.
Here's
> why: I went through a stop sign. I did a rolling stop. The cop pulled
me
> over and went through the routine of asking if I knew why. I said Yes I
do.
> Sorry. The cop ended charging with a Bylaw offense of not obeying a City
> sign. Ticket was $30 and no points. Most cops, I know, do an attitude
check.
> And are willing to help if you fess up w/o an issue or aleast be
pleasant.
> This has help several times even when I was pulled over for 150kms on my
> bike a few years back. I walk way w/o a ticket (this is unusaul).
>
> Dave, they have a job to do and you just got caught at that particular
time.
>
> --
> Andre
> BlkKat 600
> "Dave Walker" <rongant@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:1_lMa.36150$x4o.17365@no-spam
> > everybody can make the point that ya it's illegal ... but nobody even
> tries
> > to explain why the cop pulls over me instead of everybody else doing
the
> > same thing in front of and behind me...
> >
> > ????????????????????????????
> >
> > --
> > Dave
> > 86 GS750es
> >
> >
> >
> > "Joe Canuck" <Joe_Canuck@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:6qkMa.5229$Ec2.409918@no-spam
> > >
> > > It is called a "rolling stop" and is illegal even if done safely.
> > >
> > > --
> > > "Its the bugs that keep it running."
> > > -Joe Canuck
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Dave Walker wrote:
> that is true Joe... but if somebody in my family were injured by a 3km/h
> motorcycle... I'd be like "Oh poor baby, let me get you a band-aid!"
> heh...
Yes but the STOP sign is there for all vehicles.
The 300 pound lightweight motorcycle as well as the 80,000 pound loaded
tractor trailer unit. Stand in front of one of those babies at 3 km/hr
and the driver not seeing you... you'll need more than a band-aid! ;-)
--
"Its the bugs that keep it running."
-Joe Canuck
Mike wrote:
>
> A guy I knew back in the 70s was parked, sitting on his Kawasaki waiting
> to board a ferry, I think to PEI, and right behind him was a big semi.
He and his girlfriend were sitting on the bike at the time... forgot to
mention that.
>
> When the ferry was ready to load, they were given a signal but the semi
> driver thought it was for him, and not having noticed the bike there,
> proceeded to run them over.
>
> They both survived but were in hospital for a very long time.
>
> Mike
I too moved from Vancouver (3 years ago) and have noticed the same thing. I'm so
freaked out that I'm too scared to stop for a yellow light (stale or otherwise)
if there is someone behind me since I figure I'll get rear ended for sure! I
can't count the number of times I have gone through a stale yellow that I could
easily have stopped for only to watch in my mirrors as the following car (or
sometimes 2, 3 or 4 cars) go blasting through the intersection behind me. Each
time I think "good thing I didn't stop and become a hood ornament". I think on
average I see multiple people run red (not yellow but solid red) lights every
day. On the bright side, I now religiously look both ways before I roll on a
green.
Chris
Paul Woodward wrote:
> I agree. I moved here over 5 years ago from Vancouver. Now drivers there
> have their own problems at least on a par with those here. Soo don't flame
> me for what I am about to say.
> I have never seen a place where people routinely blow more red lights than
> this city. In the course of a day I witness at least 10-15 people who
> seriously tromp the accelerator or just keep rolling on through. They hit
> these intersections with the lights already red. I am not just pointing the
> finger at our four wheeled friends many motorcycles too. ...snip...