"a984" <a984984@no-spam> wrote in message
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> Went to Kendra Jones "community forum" last Tuesday. Out of curiosity;
> all three of my favorite old WW story characters - Kroeker, Shrunk
> and Katz were supposed to be there. Here are some notes.
>
> First, the location. The church. Nice and clean but as typical for our
> suburbia not a very religious looking structure. Surprisingly decent
> looking hood though. OK so one more myth dispelled. Full media circus
> was there already in force when I arrived.
They wanted to have the forum in the community and not downtown. One point
for them, although the community woulda driven to Salem for this meeting.
> Enter the building.
>
> Inside a first surprise, the place is swarming with cops. And I mean
> swarming. If as average American you get uneasy even in the presence
> of one, you would be petrified here. True they desperately tried to be
> on their Sunday best and as congenial as they could muster it, but
> there was no mistaking we were dealing here with potentially very
> brutal force. Kroeker message clearly was we are this force and you
> better believe it. Just look around. Few did out of fear I guess. An
> attempt to intimidate by Kroeker ? I don't think so, just Kroeker's
> typically warped sense of what's proper or not. Parenthetically, I
> don't think there is one country in Europe where it would acceptable
> for police to enter a house of worship in their uniforms and this
> includes Germany or Russia even at their lowest.
Remeber, Kroeker served under Daryl Gates in LA, and that's how he operates.
Maybe about 60 cops total, I'm told. With vests and weapons.
> Some time later they started filling the church with the security
> contingent the size Bremmer in Iraq would be ashamed of. Rice's
> Homeland Security types, I guess, but who cares. When approached (I
> did) they claimed they were hired by the pastor.
Whoever told you this either was lying through their teeth or was lied to.
The Albina Ministerial Alliance (the pastors) had absolutely no part or say
in the agenda, venue, or anything. No way would they have authorized this
show of force in a House of God.
Did their best to
> look as intimidating as they could. And that trust me didn't take much
> work on their part. To top it off a bank of police or government
> cameras to record it all for whatever purposes government records
> these things for. Overall as intimidating (terrorizing?),
> totalitarian or Orwellian like setting as your worst nightmares these
> days with Ashcroft in the office. Portent of what all of us will face
> in the future? Likely so, I think. Clearly this spoke far more
> poignantly to the real nature of police-community relations Kroeker is
> cultivating here than anything else he later said.
Too true.
> The physical arrangement of the parties and the overall tenor of the
> forum is well described by Steve Duin of the Oregonian. Read him.
> He's good. Let me add some color here.
He gave a pretty good assessment.
> Police party consisted of Kroeker and a bunch of clueless looking
> young police turks of the type so nicely portrayed in LA
> Confidential. Well groomed, and more than eager to serve but clearly
> with no intellectual or emotional capability to grasp any deeper
> meaning of things here.
They're doing what they were told, but I don't think they all appoved of the
show of force.
> Kroeker was in his typical state of self-satisfied totally
> unconcerned bliss, as happy as a clam, stretching his legs on the
> podium as far they would go, wiggling his toes just to amuse himself.
> From time to time a satisfied grin would pass through his face when a
> particularly incoherent rant was heard from the audience. (They had a
> few of those).
>
> Shrunk (local DA) who in stark contrast to his published visage looks
> like almost exact replica of that nuclear plant owner you saw on
> Simpsons and that old was there rounding it off.
He can't help what he looks like. This isn't fair.
> Across sat a group of some 20 representatives of colored community. As
> grief stricken as any you have ever seen. Long faces still starring in
> total disbelief at the enormity of the injustice done again to one of
> their own, and by extension to them. Similar but somewhat more on an
> angry side attitudes prevailed in racially quite mixed audience.
Excellent picture in yesterday's paper that showed that this isn't a black
issue. all sorts of folks across the spectrum are outraged at what
happened. The diversity was mirrored in the march a few weeks ago.
> Among which sat respectfully demure old grand lady of Portland
> politics Mayor Vera Katz. Given her frail physical state and not a
> very friendly disposition of the crowd around her (they blame Kroeker
> on her) this was a very courageous thing for her to do. But also
> right. When the city loses again one it its citizens at the hands of
> Kroeker police, you go out and commiserate with the community. Just
> plain old human solidarity reflex that she still has but which most of
> us have long lost.
Only the vote next November will indicate whether she's been forgiven.
remember, if Vera goes then Kroeker goes too.
> All of which was completely lost on Kroeker who was still sitting
> there on the podium as blithe and smirky and dismissive as ever.
>
> (to be continued ....)
I shall look forward to that.
"gatt" <gatt@no-spam> wrote in message
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>
> "a984" <a984984@no-spam> wrote in message
>
> > When approached (I
> > did) they claimed they were hired by the pastor. Did their best to
> > look as intimidating as they could.
>
> Really? Guns drawn, riot helmets and shields, tazers and tear gas
grenades
> at the ready? Were their dogs ready to attack?
>
> Or do I smell a bit of exaggeration?
I don't know about dogs, but they did have Glocks, cuffs, tear gas
canisters. There may have been other weapons but those I can swear to.
> > Well groomed, and more than eager to serve but clearly
> > with no intellectual or emotional capability to grasp any deeper
> > meaning of things here.
>
> And they probably assumed you were a criminal simply there to riot.
They sure acted like it.
> > Across sat a group of some 20 representatives of colored community. As
> > grief stricken as any you have ever seen. Long faces still starring in
> > total disbelief at the enormity of the injustice done again to one of
> > their own, and by extension to them.
>
> What, were they crackheads too? Or just people with the same approximate
> skin color? By extension how?
They were ministers and politicians; all with 20+ years of constant and
tireless service to the community.
> I smell misinformation and bias like a dead animal.
I smell some bias, too, gatt.
"Da Parrot-chick" <just@no-spam> wrote in message news:jO3Na.77614
> > > When approached (I did) they claimed they were hired by the pastor.
Did their best to
> > > look as intimidating as they could.
> >
> > Really? Guns drawn, riot helmets and shields, tazers and tear gas
> grenades at the ready? Were their dogs ready to attack?
> >
> > Or do I smell a bit of exaggeration?
>
> I don't know about dogs, but they did have Glocks, cuffs, tear gas
> canisters. There may have been other weapons but those I can swear to.
Yes, but "doing their best to look as intimidating as they could" suggests
that their weapons were drawn and actually pointed at somebody.
> > I smell misinformation and bias like a dead animal.
>
> I smell some bias, too, gatt.
Indeed. I hate misinformation.
-c
ugh, this is the ugliest post I have ever seen from you. You are far too
intelligent to actually believe this shit. Please don't ever refer to
Kendra as a crackhead again. She was a person and what the police did to
her was wrong and the way they are behaving now to try to use show of force
to get away with it is wrong.
The (white and armed) police knew who she (black and unarmed) was and should
have let her drive away and then gone and gotten her later, per the supreme
court ruling dictating so. At the very least, tazing her should have been
sufficient, fatally shooting her was unnecessary. They, of course, know all
this or they wouldn't be showing so much force now to intimidate everyone.
"gatt" <gatt@no-spam> wrote in message
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>
> "a984" <a984984@no-spam> wrote in message
>
> > When approached (I
> > did) they claimed they were hired by the pastor. Did their best to
> > look as intimidating as they could.
>
> Really? Guns drawn, riot helmets and shields, tazers and tear gas
grenades
> at the ready? Were their dogs ready to attack?
>
> Or do I smell a bit of exaggeration?
>
> > Well groomed, and more than eager to serve but clearly
> > with no intellectual or emotional capability to grasp any deeper
> > meaning of things here.
>
> And they probably assumed you were a criminal simply there to riot.
>
> I get the impression that the truth was somewhere a few blocks away from
> your description.
>
> > Shrunk (local DA) who in stark contrast to his published visage looks
> > like almost exact replica of that nuclear plant owner you saw on
> > Simpsons and that old was there rounding it off.
>
> Was he yellow? Or not that exact?
>
> > Across sat a group of some 20 representatives of colored community. As
> > grief stricken as any you have ever seen. Long faces still starring in
> > total disbelief at the enormity of the injustice done again to one of
> > their own, and by extension to them.
>
> What, were they crackheads too? Or just people with the same approximate
> skin color? By extension how?
>
> I smell misinformation and bias like a dead animal.
>
> -c
>
>
"gatt" <gatt@no-spam> wrote in message
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>
> "Da Parrot-chick" <just@no-spam> wrote in message news:jO3Na.77614
>
> > > > When approached (I did) they claimed they were hired by the pastor.
> Did their best to
> > > > look as intimidating as they could.
> > >
> > > Really? Guns drawn, riot helmets and shields, tazers and tear gas
> > grenades at the ready? Were their dogs ready to attack?
> > >
> > > Or do I smell a bit of exaggeration?
> >
> > I don't know about dogs, but they did have Glocks, cuffs, tear gas
> > canisters. There may have been other weapons but those I can swear to.
>
> Yes, but "doing their best to look as intimidating as they could" suggests
> that their weapons were drawn and actually pointed at somebody.
Come on, man. I know you from this board. You're not an idiot and you're
not a fool. You know that a massive police prescence can intimidate people.
They don't have to pull their gats. Just two cops in a room can intimidate
even innocent people. Howzabout sixty in one room, all armed? It was
overkill, typical of Daryl Gates I mean Kroeker.Two would have been plenty.
How can you honestly deny racism?
"Jim McLaughlin" <jim.mclaughlintheobvious@no-spam> wrote in message
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> Its all about color.
>
> But not black and white.
>
> Its about fascist blue and all the rest of us.
>
> --
> Jim McLaughlin
>
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> <osote@no-spam> wrote in message
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> > ugh, this is the ugliest post I have ever seen from you. You are far
too
> > intelligent to actually believe this shit. Please don't ever refer to
> > Kendra as a crackhead again. She was a person and what the police did
to
> > her was wrong and the way they are behaving now to try to use show of
> force
> > to get away with it is wrong.
> >
> > The (white and armed) police knew who she (black and unarmed) was and
> should
> > have let her drive away and then gone and gotten her later, per the
> supreme
> > court ruling dictating so. At the very least, tazing her should have
been
> > sufficient, fatally shooting her was unnecessary. They, of course, know
> all
> > this or they wouldn't be showing so much force now to intimidate
everyone.
> >
> >
> > "gatt" <gatt@no-spam> wrote in message
> > news:ak3Na.5577$aD6.1330@no-spam
> > >
> > > "a984" <a984984@no-spam> wrote in message
> > >
> > > > When approached (I
> > > > did) they claimed they were hired by the pastor. Did their best to
> > > > look as intimidating as they could.
> > >
> > > Really? Guns drawn, riot helmets and shields, tazers and tear gas
> > grenades
> > > at the ready? Were their dogs ready to attack?
> > >
> > > Or do I smell a bit of exaggeration?
> > >
> > > > Well groomed, and more than eager to serve but clearly
> > > > with no intellectual or emotional capability to grasp any deeper
> > > > meaning of things here.
> > >
> > > And they probably assumed you were a criminal simply there to riot.
> > >
> > > I get the impression that the truth was somewhere a few blocks away
from
> > > your description.
> > >
> > > > Shrunk (local DA) who in stark contrast to his published visage
looks
> > > > like almost exact replica of that nuclear plant owner you saw on
> > > > Simpsons and that old was there rounding it off.
> > >
> > > Was he yellow? Or not that exact?
> > >
> > > > Across sat a group of some 20 representatives of colored community.
As
> > > > grief stricken as any you have ever seen. Long faces still starring
in
> > > > total disbelief at the enormity of the injustice done again to one
of
> > > > their own, and by extension to them.
> > >
> > > What, were they crackheads too? Or just people with the same
approximate
> > > skin color? By extension how?
> > >
> > > I smell misinformation and bias like a dead animal.
> > >
> > > -c
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
By watching far too many cops in action.
Black cops with black subjects; white cops with white subjects; black
cops with white subjects, and white cops with black subjects.
Its all and always about power and submission. If the subject does not
immediately and abjectly submit, the subject's life is always at risk.
Ever watch up close, a cop "taking down" a subject in a street
situation?
The cop is usually literally foaming at the mouth, screaming obscenities
and out of control with rage.
Watch one of those silly "real cop" shows and see what the bleep in the
audio. Watch what happens.
And it is typical of the Portland cops.
--
Jim McLaughlin
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<osote@no-spam> wrote in message
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> How can you honestly deny racism?
>
> "Jim McLaughlin" <jim.mclaughlintheobvious@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:dvkNa.10289$Ey6.3165@no-spam
> > Its all about color.
> >
> > But not black and white.
> >
> > Its about fascist blue and all the rest of us.
> >
> > --
> > Jim McLaughlin
> >
>
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> > <osote@no-spam> wrote in message
> news:aA4Na.98498$R73.11531@no-spam
> > > ugh, this is the ugliest post I have ever seen from you. You are far
> too
> > > intelligent to actually believe this shit. Please don't ever refer to
> > > Kendra as a crackhead again. She was a person and what the police did
> to
> > > her was wrong and the way they are behaving now to try to use show of
> > force
> > > to get away with it is wrong.
> > >
> > > The (white and armed) police knew who she (black and unarmed) was and
> > should
> > > have let her drive away and then gone and gotten her later, per the
> > supreme
> > > court ruling dictating so. At the very least, tazing her should have
> been
> > > sufficient, fatally shooting her was unnecessary. They, of course,
know
> > all
> > > this or they wouldn't be showing so much force now to intimidate
> everyone.
> > >
> > >
> > > "gatt" <gatt@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > news:ak3Na.5577$aD6.1330@no-spam
> > > >
> > > > "a984" <a984984@no-spam> wrote in message
> > > >
> > > > > When approached (I
> > > > > did) they claimed they were hired by the pastor. Did their best
to
> > > > > look as intimidating as they could.
> > > >
> > > > Really? Guns drawn, riot helmets and shields, tazers and tear gas
> > > grenades
> > > > at the ready? Were their dogs ready to attack?
> > > >
> > > > Or do I smell a bit of exaggeration?
> > > >
> > > > > Well groomed, and more than eager to serve but clearly
> > > > > with no intellectual or emotional capability to grasp any deeper
> > > > > meaning of things here.
> > > >
> > > > And they probably assumed you were a criminal simply there to riot.
> > > >
> > > > I get the impression that the truth was somewhere a few blocks away
> from
> > > > your description.
> > > >
> > > > > Shrunk (local DA) who in stark contrast to his published visage
> looks
> > > > > like almost exact replica of that nuclear plant owner you saw on
> > > > > Simpsons and that old was there rounding it off.
> > > >
> > > > Was he yellow? Or not that exact?
> > > >
> > > > > Across sat a group of some 20 representatives of colored
community.
> As
> > > > > grief stricken as any you have ever seen. Long faces still
starring
> in
> > > > > total disbelief at the enormity of the injustice done again to one
> of
> > > > > their own, and by extension to them.
> > > >
> > > > What, were they crackheads too? Or just people with the same
> approximate
> > > > skin color? By extension how?
> > > >
> > > > I smell misinformation and bias like a dead animal.
> > > >
> > > > -c
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>